Help - confusing OPK/BBT situation

[Flightty]

Ok, this is doing my head in so if anyone has any ideas then please fire away

I'm charting and also using OPK sticks. On Friday I had a huge dip, and then on Saturday a significant temp rise, like, 36.68 to 37.09. But neg OPK.

Sunday, and today I have had positive OPKs and I suppose I have to believe those, because you can't have a surge AFTER ovulation, can you?

But what is going on with the temps? I don't understand. Today's was 37.07 so it's staying up. I'm baffled.

Can anyone shed any light at all? Thankyou x

are you charting on FF? it would be easier to see whats going on if you post the link.

Ok will try...here?

FF

I keep staring at it. Like with my head on one side then the other, you know

Makes no blooming sense does it? Unless temps are way off, they could be a bit out but not an awful lot I'd think.

I'm edging towards CD11 tbh. And surge the same day, and trailing off now? I dunno. How long does one surge for?

The link's not working for me..

37.07 isn't a post o temp for me-is it for you? My post-o temps are much nearer 38.

So maybe you haven't o'd yet and the opk is correct and it'll happen in the next few days??

Sorry about the link. I had a feeling that there might be a special way to link FF charts on their website but haven't fathomed it yet

Yes, mine are around 36.8 and then hop up to 37.1-2 afterwards. Sometimes higher. But yes this is typical just-after-ovulation temps for me. Just the same as last month.

The OPKs are fading out now so surge was definitely yesterday I think. But whether that means I ovulated yesterday as well, I don't know. That way if the temp on Saturday was rather higher than it ought to have been (think it was an hour or two late) it could have been on the way up, and gone up properly today. That would correlate.

Will have to see what temps do tomorrow...all rather interesting even if it leaves us none the wiser

Oh I hate anything technical to do with ff..

You won't get a positive opk after ovulation (unless you're pregnant when it shows up + at around the same time you'd get a + hpt-so not yet).

The surge is meant to be 12-36 hrs after the first + opk but you can o on the first day you see a positive.

I reckon that either

A) the - opk was wrong: pee was too weak possibly.

Or

B) your first high temp was wrong and should have been lower.

Personally I believe opks over temps. I know temps confirm o yadda yadda yadda but there are so many variables affecting your temps and so few affecting an opk (concentration of pee being pretty much the only one I can think of provided you take them regularly enough)..

Thankyou very much - you've put into writing what I was too muddled to figure out

That's what was swaying me to believing the OPKs, just that there's no way they can really be wrong. And you can't ovulate before you get the surge can you...it always precedes the egg being released.

So I can't have ovved before day 11. and potentially could have on day 11, day 12 or today - 13.

Bizarrely my temperature this morning was back down below my coverline. That would make it 48 hours after the first positive OPK, but still, it probably is today and I've just had weirdy temps the last two days.

It might be blooming frustrating but it is interesting! Thanks again x

Oh have sorted link I think

ici

Not sure

btw disregard the CM bit, that's gone wonky, so have stopped recording it now.

flighty, hi, I don't use OPKs 'cause they drive me crazy but I do temp. My chart is always clear with low temps (36.1-4) rising to 36.7 through 37 after ov. Until this month where I have two post-ov temps before ov, I've never seen it before. I have no words of wisdom - spent a lot of time on dr google researching my weird early ov, to find them fall off again - small comfort...you not the only one!

Cheers Purple

That's nice to know! Have been messing about with future temps on FF, you know, just to see where it pins ovulation if I put in the next few days (made up obv!) in various places.

Great fun. It seems to have me as today, whatever I put apart from one thing where it says day 10...but that doesn't correlate at all with the OPKs.

As you can see from my chart I have a lot of high temps pre ov, this is I think usual for me (not been charting long though). That probably doesn't help you much

Hope you figure out what's going on.
DP thinks I am nuts. I think he's probably right.

Only thing I can think is that maybe your temp tomorrow will shoot up higher than your previous two high temps, and then it'll be obvious...

There is something called a 'fallback rise' where temps dip post-o and then go back up high (something to do with a secondary oestrogen surge I think) so that could be today's temp...

Has the ewcm dried up? That's a good sign that you've o'd.

It does make you crazy doesn't it?! To think that people used to just have sex every so often ;)

flightty honestly my guess is your ov will end up being CD 13, of course I only see one chart and don't know your others, but that's what I'm putting my money on. Those high ones are not all that high to my eye.

Thankyou so much guys for taking the time, I really appreciate it.

I did consider it being a fallback rise but then, as you say the OPK doesn't lie, normally, does it? I don't think the surge started sooner because it went on for over 24 hours anyway, so that was probably long enough!

Not entirely sure what is going on with the CM situation, probably due to, erm, obscuration as we have been at it like hammer and tongs. I am sure you needed to know that

It's funny you both saying about the temps not being that high, as all the charts in the gallery on FF seem to have far lower temps than mine? In celsius I mean. I'm also temping fanjo-wise so that makes them higher I think. ..if you search under v.temps on there, people have got similar temps to mine.
You both must be red hot

You're funny. Not high in terms of the number but the difference with the low temps. I guess I could figure this out but I haven't yet, I'll put this month's freak show of mine up...

Oh, don't get me started on pant snot.

Ooh yes would like to see someone else's weirdy chart No worries though.

Back up to 37.01 today so it's happened. whenever that might have been

Oh well, at least we can stop having it off and get some sleep..

I was expecting my temp up this morning but no (I'm CD 11 and normally ov at 10, but also at 11 or 12). If these temps mean anything at all that is, and they better cause I can't go around shagging daily, thats just crazy talk. Too stupid/lazy to link chart, how?

Oh, I have no homepage at FF, that's why. Ive only shown it to OH before (by poking iPad up his nose - no need for homepage).

here I hope

who wins the award now? there is a prize right? I attached a 'normal' one of mine also.

OH doesn't believe anything I say about temps now: we conceived our daughter by having sex after I'd sworn blind my temps said I'd ovulated three days ago and so was definitely 100% certainly not fertile.

Ha!

Maybe you just work in reverse Purple??!

Ha, reverse, makes great babies I heard I hear you ocean, I have my doubts. The problem in my case is if shag week is not planned, shagging is low on the list, mostly falling off the list.

Oh you're alright. Looks like it'll have you as today, it'll rocket tomorrow.

says she who knows feck all about temping
but it looks like one of my charts.

how do you add another one?
I'm deffo getting yesterday when I pre-fill this week. which means we did it the night before, mmm. right.

oh dear, oh dear. Can you tell I'm ambivalent about this baby stuff?

Ocean you have made me laugh with your three days after

The nearest DP gets to collusion is asking me 'how is your ovulation coming along' two days before my period. Bless. He does try.

Btw how are your temps so neat? Mine are all .87 and .96 and so on. Yours are all rounded up or down and look so much clearer.

AND your temp on the second chart is the same today as, erm, today. Which might be a good sign yes?

And enter the expert to answer all your questions.....

If you pay for the "VIP" FF you can add whatever number of charts you want. I fucking refuse to let the world take advantage of this TTC hilariousness (gives him indoors something else to laugh at) I do the free verison, found I could add one extra, look at the bottom of the homepage. See it?

My extensive reading suggests shagging the day before ov is THE BEST DAY.

'Neat temps'. - you have an extra decimal point on your therm. You could just round them if you like neatness.

We were attempting a special AM shag week but our toddler woke up early this morning. Damn it.

Oh God toddlers they know don't they. DP keeps having to stop every time the cot moves. He thinks ds2 will catch him mid-thrust. Ds2 is good at this. (ds2 is 4 but sleeping in the old cot, for some reason after rejecting his actual bed in his actual bedroom) (I think it is because he thinks if he doesn't, we might REPLACE him) (he is right)

I have now added last month's spectacular chart so you can see how we failed to get it in anywhere near ovulation. I too refuse to pay for this pandering to obsessives that FF think they can get away with by talking really seriously.

Charlatans.