gender selection...sorry this is a bit longwinded![grin]

[girlygirluk]

Hi. I have 2 beautiful DS's who I dote on and adore, they are 3 and 2. It's only been in the last 6 months but I have an incredibly strong urge for a girl, which is increasing the more month by month. Before, I was all about little boys and had always wanted sons, so I never saw this one coming! I try to not think about it too much and think 'what will be will be', but it keeps popping up in my mind, and im beginning to feel passionatley that I wont stop having babies till I finally get the balance of both sexes! Obviously DH is not keen on the idea of tonnes of children and TBH financially I think a third would be it for us, so if we go ahead and conceive I wondered if anyone had any advice, or anyone out there that can relate to me!
Also, I have bought tonnes of books on natural timings and diet. I would quite like to hear from anyone who has had any success with trying methods out!
Finally, in my searching, I have seen advertised something called Microsort which is a clinical way of sorting sperm for gender selection, if anyone knows anything about this or has already done this....any advice, success? Thanks!

...BTW have found a website address for Dr Jonas in case anyone else is interested. Havent read it yet, only just found it.

\link{http://drjonasmethod.com}

p.s. my DH especially like the idea of Cha's theory

I'll have to study that when I get time. Sadly I think from a money point of view we are limited to natural methods. Hazel CP seems to suggest hers are 100% and any fault must be in the trying IYSWIM. She is however unable to explain the girl/boy twin thing.

I am guessing even if it doesn't work it will feel worthwile to have tried something with the book. It gives me something to focus on.!

this is a good non-biased site.

Hi Muppety, I know what you mean about the money, it's all so extortionate and with no guarentees it will even work! My thing is, my DH has said that child number three will have to be the last for us, financially he feelswe cant have anymore that 3, so im desperate that the third try will be accurate!
What is the Hazel book called and does she have a website? Thanks

when I say accurate I mean best possible attempt for a girl!

I believe I had success with Hazel thingy's book. Dh's family is very boy heavy (until his brother had a girl a few months before my dd there had not been a girl born in his family for 80 years) and after we had gorgeous ds1, I thought it might be worth trying a bit of nature and see if something pink might come along. We followed the timing thing for a girl (helped by tcoyf fertility software to pinpoint ovulation) and were rewarded with dd . Left it to luck the third time and had ds2 - so I do feel that we were more likely to produce boys. HTH. Good luck!

Its Hazel Chesterman Philips. Not sure if she has a website. I really think its worth a try. How do you think you would feel girlygirluk if you had another boy? Were you at all disappointed with ds2 being a boy IKNWIM? I was upset at ds2 scan as hoping for a girl but obviously by the time he was born was more than happy and love him to bits. Its a still a physical longing for me to have a girl even though I am well aware of how lucky I am. Just can't help it.

I was just the same really. All thru preg b4 scan I was convinved I was carrying a girl, but looking back it was just wishful thinking! Then on 20week scan we were told it was a boy and I must admit I felt a little disappointed, but honestly on a little, because I was happy for my other DS because he would have a little playmate, especially as they're only 12months apart in age! I believe it really helped me to find out the sex at 20 week scan because it really helped me prepare for our second boy, and put a complete stop to the pink daydreaming. I would never change a thing and feel so lucky and happy to be the mother of two boys, and I actually think im a real 'boy' mum anyway, but its just a very strong desire that really has increased over the last year. My youngest is nearly two now and were looking to start ttc in about 6months and im just trying to investigate everything to ttc a girl if possible. My only worry tbh is that this time unlike last time its a real desire for a girl that I have, I hadnt even thought about it before I fell pregnant the first two times.

Hi Wilbur, well done to you for successfully conceiving your daughter,you must have been over the moon!
Did you follow Hazel's timings precisely, Im not familiar with her, ive only read about the Shettles way. I'll have to get her book!
Also, what is the fertility sortware you mentioned "(helped by tcoyf fertility software to pinpoint ovulation)" does the tcoyf stand for anything?
Thanks

Muppety....meant to say before....in answer to your question. Im not sure how I woud feel if third baby was another boy, DH and I were thinking about waiting till both our boys were flying the nest, (to playschool every morning and school for eldest DS because by then I would be ready for another baby boy or girl, but as time goes on Im not sure if my need for a girl will fade it seems to be only getting stronger. I guess if it turned out to be another boy, I look at my other two and remember how amazing it is when you hold them for first time and I cant imagine that ever being any different? and as they grow you fall more in love with their little ways and personality, so I guess it'd be fine in the end, but I worry cause I can guarentee i'd want to try for a fourth!!

girlygirluk you could be me. Honestly exactly the same.

I Know I would love another boy just as much. But I also Know that I would still have that yearning for a girl and be considering number 4. The thing is I don't do pregnancy well and would need another c section probably so its a big decision.

One thing HCP says is that girls are harder to actively conceive as you are actively avoiding your most fertile time which makes sense I guess. She also says you are more likely to have a girl as you get older. I am 33 so not sure how old I need to be . According to Proff Winston that fertility man he thinks that otc sperm tests to seperate them and do gender selection may well be available otc in 10 years. If you are young enough you could wait? I might if I was 23 not 33. It looks like we may well be the last generation having to have this conversation!

Hi, sorry to butt in on your thread.
It's so interesting. I'm trying to persaude DH to have a fourth baby. We have DS, DD1 and DD2. We would both like another boy. Although I'm absolutely desperate for another baby, I'm not sure how I feel about having 3 girls in the house with 1 boy. Sounds silly I know but I really would like 2 of each.
The software to pinpoint ovulation sounds good. Anyone know anymore?
I am using Persona at the mo to get to know my roving cycle. Also using a saliva monitor.
Still have to persuade DH to have another so not actively trying yet just doing some homework on the off chance!.

I think we conceived both DDs using the timing method, without intending to. We started trying a couple of days before Ov. Both times we tried once and were both too tired in the following days to keep trying (how sad does that sound! We were on holiday both times and were exhausted).

So now I'm thinking we will need to get our timing just right to get a boy.

Good luck with your attempts.

Muppety-Ooo I wish I were younger then! I'm 28, so in ten years time I will be nearly 40, although the age thing doesnt bother me too much, its more that I dont think I could wait that long! Plus the age gap between my boys would be too big I think!
Ha ha! We really ARE similar, I too will need a csection again, because my last 2 were both c's, so really I think we only should have 1 more baby, cause they say ideally only 3 c-sections dont they?

One of the things I have heard is having girls can be helped if DH lowers his sperm count somehow! Apparently, this happens with age, my DH is 8 years older than me, so hope that counts!

gguk, check out cha's method farther down for lowering sperm count. We are currently going to give it a try - well, in a couple of weeks

I have got Hazels book now and something interesting showed up I thought....I dont know about anyone else but ive been torn between Hazel/Shettles (couple of days before Ov), and the newer theory O+12. If you look in Hazels book on page 91 (there is a chart with probability of male/fmal births in relation to timing of Ovulation) it seems that both of these theories have very similar odds, so perhaps both ways can work for more girls being born. A significant less number of males are born a few days before O and then again on O+12. You'd need to look at her book to understand what I mean, it all prob sounds reallyconfusing!! I think Im confused! I think looking at it i would still prefer to try a few days before O, but not getting nearer than 3 days b4 if poss?

jaberwocky-Im def giving that one a go! It all sounds like it would make perfect sense! and would tie in with trying to lower the male spermcount, I also read today that I need to get DH wearing a jock strap!! Haha you can imagine how that one went down but I wont be swayed, i've been looking today on web to find out what they are and where to get them! DH doesnt know yet

3catstoo- It's nice to know you think you conceived your DD's on similar timings to Hazel/Shettles method. Gives us hope!
What is the saliva test you mentioned?
I would love to know more about the ovulation software too, as it looks like it will be very expensive to keep buying ovulation test kits each month. (and I read that really you should test twice a day to get an accurate reading of ovulation timing!) Do you think it works out cheaper with the Persona urine sticks?

girlygirluk, maybe you should just buy him some really tight underwear (so they make thongs for men ,jabber shudders at the thought>)

Also, there is another thread that I found on the isis scope for ovulation prediction.

As far as O+12, I guess that's assuming a 28 days cycle? Mine had been that but has now gone wonky and has been 37 days the last two times

that should be "do they make..."

if you are desperate for a girl and you do conceive I would really recommend you find out the sex when you have your scan. that way you experience your disappointment (if it's a boy) when it is still a bump, and you have time to get over it. I didn't think I had a preference at all for my second but will admit to feeling the tiniest twinge of disappointment when she was born - and it's really not a nice feeling to have on such a wonderful occassion. If you were desperate for one gender it could be a lot stronger and very negative.

I agree, I am such a control freak I think I would have to find out. We did with ds - funny thing, with him I was desperate for a boy and they initially told us he was a girl!

Hi Girlygirluk,

Persona is fine if you have a regular cycle. It costs £8.50 a month for 8 sticks. However, if like me, you have a cycle that varies between 27 and 35 days it can miss Ov as it only tests 7 times during the expected Ov period. If it misses I then have to test some other way.

The saliva monitor can be uSed everyday. You just put a small amount of saliva onto the mini microscope, let it dry then look at the pattern it has formed. There are 3 patterns. It cost £15.
For the last 2 months the saliva monitor has confirmed what Persona had detected. This month Persona didn't detect Ov but the saliva monitor has on 2 seperate occasions. So I'm a bit confused.

After reading this thread yesterday, I looked up the Dr Jonas site. It was quite interesting. It said that you can conceive at other times not just around Ov and that there are times when you can/can't conceive boys/girls. I guess that's what your book was indicating too (O +12).
That makes the whole thing more complicated but I guess it means it's easier to conceive in a way.

I read the HCP book and did not see that chart on page 91 so will have to go and look at it again. I was thinking of persona but my periods are very irregular ar 24/39 days! This is going to make things very hard I know.

Is Shettles method the same as Hazel CP or is it worth buying that book too?

Muppety - I've only read the Shettles book and Im just starting on Hazel, but so far they seem to be very similar. I would only get Shettles if you want to be extremely thorough! Its very easy to get through and well explained.

TWWTSWAH-thanks for the advice, I will def find out at the 20 week scan, I dont think ive got the patience to wait full term! Both times before we found out and Im so glad we did, it definitely gives you time to get used to the idea! Second time around I was convinced it was a girl (wishful thinking!) so it was good that I didnt carry on hoping cause it couldve been worse if id built up my hopes right up to the birth!

3catstoo-Where can you buy the saliva moniter from? I think I might try persona because my cycle is generally 25/28 days long, so it might be good for me to track. Does it tell you the specific day you are ovulating or just days red or green days? Thanks.

Ive been looking at the Dr Jonas website too, I really want to believe in it. They make it sound so easy especially with 97% accuracy. It seems like a lot of money just over £100, we'd have to put a lot of faith in it I guess!

Talking of a lot of money.....
Definitely think the Sperm Sort and Implantation is out having investigated a clinic in London, its basically like IVF and would cost £12000 to do!!! Eeeek!