TTC/ pregnancy on Prednisolone or similar part 3

[freelancegirl]

For those who are TTC/pregnant undergoing immunotherapy treatment. Current list as it stands, do feel free to come and join us, it's moving quickly round here!:

Tuesday 22nd November

TTC
Waiting to test
Snoopygirl - V High NKC TTC, will be Ist try with Pred, Intralipids on bfp Testing from 21/11
Havingkittens - Upgraded from High to V High NKC TTC #1 after 2 month break/testing 29 Nov -2 Dec depending on my resolve.
Waiting to ovulate
coleyoz - V High NKC. TTC #2 - ov 3 Dec (Pred and Intralipids at BFP)
duggs1976 - High/V High NKC - TTC #1 - Superovulation cycle1
batteryhen - High activation NKC, factor v leiden. TTC#1
Suemays - V High NKC TTC/ov 30th Oct. TTC#2.
Cherrycheeks - V high NKC, TTC#2/ ov 25th-26th Nov/ 4th cycle of pred
pureequeen - High NKC TTC #2 again from November (BFP cycle one but mc)
eurochick - TTC#1 awaiting first appointment (in Nov)/ov expected 28-30 Nov.
BFPSeeker

BFP
2nd Trimester
Stogan - V high NKC - BFP 9/7/11 cycle#2- 24+3 Due 10/03/12 next scan 30/12
Digitalgirl - High NKC - BFP cycle#2 -19+1 Due 16/04/12 anomaly scan 23/11
Coconutfeet - V High NKC, Factor II gene mutation, underactive thyroid - BFP pre-pred, started at 6 weeks ? 16+1 next scan 14/12
Comedy - V High NKC - BFP cycle#2 - 13+3 due 26/5/12 next scan 12/12
Iggi - High NKC & Hypothyroidism - BFP cycle#2 - 12+6 anomaly scan Jan

1st Trimester
BrownieGecko - High NKC, Hypothyroidism, & Glucose Intolerant. BFP on cycle 3 of Clomid - 11+4 next scan 28/11
Scooterchaser - V High NKC - BFP cycle1 - 8+1 Due 01/07/12. Scan 25/11
Freelance - V High NKC TTC#1 Hydroxchloroquine, Pred, Intralipids. Thyroid/hashimotos. MC 1st cycle. LMP18/10 - 4+6 - Scan 3/12
Arianhod - V High NKC, MTHFR homo, hypothyroid, TTC#2 BFP 2nd pred cycle LMP19/10. 4+5 Scan 7/12
Cheerfulcharlie - V High NKC, MTHFR/TTC 1/ (metformin, intralipids, no pred). LMP17/10(Ov'd 3rd Nov) 4+5 Scan 6/12.
ChoccyPud - V High NKC / TTC #1 BFP 4th Pred cycle LMP20/10 4+4. Scan 3/12.

brownie you've had 3mc with st marys? Crikey.
I have to say they totally missed my pcos. ( I think I've said so many times now) but they still disagree (didn't even re check) only know because dr s saw it. Doesn't fill me with confidence. But Like free said no harm in free scans . .

So brownie what is st m attitude to your 3 mc under their care? More hugs and tlc? Brilliant. It sounds like 1811 not 2011.
Sorry I'm a bit angry that you've just had asprin and had to go through that. And to think when dr rai had a right cob on when he knew I had seen dr s!! Ahh

No problem if u can't make it on the day enough of us can so just come along if u can x

Oh ari hope ur ok Hunni, hoping it's all alright for u , everything crossed x

Welcome breezy always nice to welcome new people x

Great news on your nan free, hopefully being at home will make her feel better quicker.

Waves to everyone else ! X

Mega post.. too much vino whoops...

Hope it's nothing more than spotting ari fingers crossed for you.xx

welcome breezy* hope you find comfort/help/few laughs from this thread. tentative congrats on your faint line!

Feeling emotional today don't know why. Son upsetting me a bit a moment. Just his behaviour. He is having his monthly push the boundaries. Also finding it upsetting about scooter. Can't stop thinking about her. It's playing on my mind. Have convinced myself Dr S is some kind of miracle worker, as at the end of the day there are alot of success stories....sorry don't mean to be selfish.

I am also envious of your meet up in your furry coats! I am also about 1.5 hrs on train. I could come but that time of night is not good for me. If theres another meet maybe an afternoon meet could be sorted so maybe some of the out of towners can come and have time to get back home. Or we could sort one heading North a bit . Hope you all have a few laughs anyway and look forward to the mass posting!!

AF finished for me and ..here we go again.. I don't know when to start testing for Ov does it make it early as well as late?? Shall I just start at CD10ish? Pissed off with this already and barely off the starting block yet..stomach already resembles someone who is 6 months gone! Does it go down in the 2 weeks after af...mine hasn't. Saying that pot bellies run in my family which doesn't help.

BTW Spurred on by talk of kittens pic I signed up to a photoweb page today with password. I know some of you will want to stay anonymous but it's always nice to put a name to a face IYKWIM, especially for those who can't meet up. PM me if you want password to upload anything.

Have a good night all
x

Busy thread tonight.

ari oh feck, I really hope you're wrong. But I know that feeling where it just all feels so familiar. Will be thinking of you. Hope you get through the night ok.

breezy welcome to the thread! A line is a line, definitely not a pred thing. What brand test are you using? I found first response comes up stronger than other brands. Fingers crossed this is a sticky one for you.

Had Chinese tonight and have swollen up like a balloon. Giant feet and hot tight hands. Maybe won't have it again. Haven't been on aspirin since the weekend and various unpleasant symptoms have cropped up including a huge massive spot on the side of my face. Which will probably still be there on Tuesday.

ari sorry to hear about your cramping & spotting. You have an acupuncturist don't you? Do you think it's worth scheduling an emergency appointment, see if she/ he can calm it down? Hope it eases off soon.

Just had a rather scary 20 mins... Was drying my hair when suddenly got strong heartburn pains across my chest and felt v hot sweaty and giddy. Rushed downstairs to pop an Omeprazole and summon dh back from the station just in case I was going to pass out or something. Dh found me bent over in the kitchen chugging a digestive biscuit and fed me cereal and OJ, after which I felt ok. Turned 6 weeks yesterday which was about the time I started having to eat breakfast ASAP on getting up or I'd get really dizzy last time. So kind of a good sign I hope...! Could do without the scary chest pain though :(

Ari how you doing this morning?

And Cheerful 5am? Seriously?!

Ooh Choccy that doesn't sound much fun. Are you feeling ok now?

Actually I have to say I needed a Dr Google session last night as I could swear I was feeling some numbness in my feet and also in my lips. Can exist in both pregnancy and also as a Pred side effect. Am thinking the least amount of time we take this stuff for the better. Hopefully for all of us that means tapering off when we get to a successful point in the pregnancy.

I know this must be really irritating to the TTC crowd but every morning I wake up thinking - I really can't possibly be pregnant. It just seems so far fetched. Does anyone else get that? I wish (who said this yesterday) there were some glaring signs. Even when I do get signs they are just not glaring enough. A growing bump and kicks would do it I guess. Do the people in the 2nd trimester FEEL pregnant all the time? How does feeling pregnant, well, feel? Are you always aware you're pregnant or are there times you don't notice anything?

Oh, Cheerful is abroad Choccy :)

How are you today Snoopy? Nice to have too much vino! Enjoy it while you can. I am not sure about Ovulation being affected but I think I went for CD16 after I got a few twinges on 14. I didn't want to do it any earlier as I worried I might have to stop before I was sure it was negative. But don't worry as what Mr S says it is not an exact science.

Digi looking forward to spot checking on Tuesday :) I have some too. I have three rather fetching ones in the cleavage.

It's strange isn't it Brownie how you can have 3 mcs under St Mary's and STILL they don't believe and test for NK cells, even though the tests showed the 'products' were normal. How awful that must have been for you. I am not sure what to say in terms of going back there, do you really need to? I felt good being there as for me it doesn't have bad memories yet but the thought of walking to my local hospital and going to their EPU (the scene of my bad memories) is highly unappealing. Maybe you don't even need to go - I mean the only test you might not have had is TEG when pregnant - although maybe they did that too? And the only thing they can give you is additional scans.

Ari I hope you have had an okay night and that things have calmed down rather than got worse. Cheerful makes a good point about the acupuncture, worth making an appointment? Please keep us updated.

Hello to everyone else including Breezy! Do come back and chat, it does move fast around here but we are all here for each other and hand holding. Let us know how you get on with the testing and do definitely organise those intralipids xx

choccy that sounds pretty horrible. What do you think it was - low blood sugar? I have had a few have-to-eat-something right-now instances but it's not been too bad. I'm also not really having many pregnancy symptoms other than sore boobs. In the last few days I've felt a little more tired maybe and a fleeting moment of possible nausea (or possibly my imagination?) but that's it. Also, this is what I find most strange, is that I've been very level headed, quite chilled out, I don't feel at all tearful or emotional, only very slightly snappy and that's only when people deserve it like stupid people in coffee shops lying to me about soya/ cow's milk. It is a little unsettling, I thought I would be a bit of a nervous wreck by now.

Free is correct choccy, as I'm abroad I'm 4 hours ahead of you lot. I'm sitting in my garden at the mo, trying to balance getting my vitamin D intake and not get sunburnt at the same time ;-)

ari how are you this morning? Hope it's getting better.

Awwwww. Sitting in the garden?!

shivering does burn a huge amount of calories, Free!

Morning ladies, thanks all for asking how I am. Well, normal night of waking every goodness knows how often but dreaming (as you might imagine) of miscarriage, but that's it, nothing else overnight. No real change this morning however, still got chronic lower back pain and mild AF-type cramps, with the lovely extra addition of a sicky headache. No spotting when I got up, but I am expecting it, I didn't used to get spotting first thing after getting up, it was always later on after I'd been up for a while.

Good suggestion about the acupuncturist but to be honest ladies, I don't see much point (if you'll excuse the pun) of throwing good money after bad. I don't want to stop this if it's down to a chromosomal issue, which I'm convinced it is. Not meaning to be fatalistic, but I haven't thought this pregnancy was right right from the beginning, and I just don't want to delay things that will still have the same outcome eventually anyway. If it's wrong, then I want it sorted out as soon as possible, hope that doesn't sound callous?

Had a chat with DP last night about this whole thing; he still wants to keep trying but is very concerned with what I'm putting my body through, with the repeated MCs and the drugs. He asked if there's no way eggs can be tested for chromosomal fitness, so I explained the only option would be what duggs mentioned, the new IVF testing Array CGH. I also explained we'd be looking in the region of £7K a go, which effectively puts it right out of our reach. :( I did gently point out that it may well be this never works for us - time is very firmly against me, and I really can't take MC after MC due to bad eggs.

Anyway, playing the waiting game again, only this time waiting for my body to get with the plan and sort itself out. Ho hum.

cheerful I want to be where you are ... oh the bliss to have to worry about getting sunburnt! :)

choccy that doesn't sound good, although if you say it's been a side effect of pregnancy for you before, maybe it IS a good sign? :) Take care of yourself, and watch out for that blood sugar dip!

snoopy I always start testing with OPK about CD10, so that sounds about right if you usually OV somewhere in the middle of your cycle?

digi do you usually react to Chinese like that?? That sounds quite alarming, what do you think would trigger that reaction? I didn't know you could get that from a Chinese!

free ironically it was me that wanted some glaring signs yesterday. Guess we should be careful what we wish for, since I got my glaring signs after all (although not in the way I meant!). As for feeling pg in the second trimester ... from what I can remember of DD, I did indeed feel pg almost all the time after about week 14 or so I think. But it was all new to me then, so I was very aware of any differences in my body. Now, I think I would doubt anything I felt was necessarily pregnancy-related, I might well be blaming it on the pred! If I ever get that far again, and I'm not feeling too hopeful for that right now, understandably.

Hi,
I missed everybody. Miscarriage is so frigging lonely in RL isn't it.

Thanks for all the earlier messages, actually means something coming from people who truly know what it's like.

Anyway, I was thinking if it's ok duggs could you add me to the contacts list for Tuesday. There's only a small chance DH will be home in time for me to get out but if it's not too much like a bad penny turning up, I would like to try and come if I can. I promise not to be too miserable :)

Oh scooter, welcome back, we've missed you and all been wondering how you are!! How are you feeling? Cr@ppy, I'm sure. Huge virtual hugs, and you be just as miserable as you like, we all understand!

Ari have you had any of your previous pregnancies tested for chromosomal issues? Just wondering why you are so sure your eggs are not up to scratch. I suppose as well as all the other issues all of us have the same chance as anyone else in the general population of having a 'normal' miscarriage, because the baby just isn't viable. It does seem doubly cruel that we have to possibly deal with that too, but I guess in a way it is also some comfort - as in of the handful of miscarriages we have each had theremight be one or two that just weren't going to happen. I like to think my last one was like that. I know that I miscarry this one it willbe far worse, having already seen a heartbeat and knowing there is actually a baby there.

But no, it doesn't sound callous saying if it is going wrong you want to get it over with as soon as possible. I felt exactly the same with the last one. A friend sent me a rather sharp text when I said this to her, saying she thought I should have counselling to see 'if I actually wanted baby at all' with that attitude! I tried not to be too harsh on her about this as there are very few of us who know what it's like to be lining up yet another pregnancy loss and wanting to get it out of the way as quick as possible! But we here know exactly what that feeling is like.

Scooter! Crossed posts. So good to see you here. If anyone can understand exactly what you're going through it's us. There are if course myself abs others here who have miscarried on the treatment too so know what a double blow that is. We are here to take the slings and arrows together! There are going to be BFP's, BFN's, TTC nightmares, babies and sadly probably more miscarriages here as we go through it all. We are here for all of it! And in RL too if you can make the 6th. We can have a chat about your next step. Remember mr s has other things up his sleeve such as additional meds xxx

free no, I requested testing on all of my MCs but it was refused every time, even the third where the surgeon did actually request testing of the foetus on my behalf but told me the lab was 99% certain to refuse - and I didn't ever get any follow-up letter, so I assume that's exactly what happened.

I'm assuming my eggs are problematic purely because of my age. I'm 44 in a few weeks, and all medical wisdom everywhere says a woman's eggs decline in quality at a hugely rapid rate after about the age of 38. I think it stands to reason that I'm going to have a much higher chance of chromosomal issues then, it just seems cruel in a way that I may well have this "unfussy womb" thing where my body seems happy to start a pregnancy off no matter what. As you say, we still have the same chances as anyone else of a "normal" miscarriage, and I assume that also means I have the same lack-of-chances as any other healthy 44-year-old woman with decreasing quality of eggs. shrug But I knew this when I started this road, I just hope I didn't miss my chance of a good egg in one of the MCs that may have been caused by NK cells/thyroid issues etc. Only time will tell, I guess.

Hey Scooter nice to see you back - do come along on Tues and you be however you feel. I'm determined to go regardless of scan results tomorrow simply because I know everyone will "get" however I'm feeling, so you may not be the only not-exactly-happy person there don't worry!

Thanks all, I think it was blood sugar this morning btw I do get that if I don't eat for too long and I woke up really really early today. It was the heartburn pains that got me this morning. Never felt anything like it :(

Ari good that it seems to have stopped and try not to set too much stall by the back ache and cramping it may just be things moving around. Fingers crossed.

Must get on with work, huuuge pile of stuff to do today. Which is a good distraction frankly.

Am an avid lurker but I'm here sharing all the highs and lows and thinking of us all.
Scooter - So pleased to hear from you! Yes, it is lonely and it certainly helps getting a load of your shoulders if you ever feel u need a rant on here.
Ari - I totally understand what you mean, I've said it myself several times!
Being in deepest Devon I don't expect I'll ever get to a catch up so please give us a running commentry! Its so fab to be with other women in the same boat.
Personally I'm gearing up to the idea of attempting to get my meds from somewhere(!) and getting ready for the New Year. I'm scared about it all. I'm wary of starting it, getting pg, and then going down my usual route and having it all over again. But I know thats exactly why we are all here, together, to give one another help,love,support and advice and that with Mr S's help it giving us all the best help.
Waves to everyone!

p.s also ickle bit worried about the £££!!!

Morning ladies!
Scooter so glad you have come back to see us. We all know exactly how you feel so think forwards, not back.
Breezy hello from me too, shame you are here but hopefully you will find we can help you!
Ari I also requested testing after 3 miscarriages but was refused. At my 3rd one I called my GP whilst I was waiting for the D&C and she requested it but they didnt listen. They told me I could pay privately for £500 but we decided we would need the money to pay to see Dr S. My last miscarriage was too early on for any products to be left to be tested. I was told that you can only have testing on number 4 (you have to have had 3 already in a row!)
Its funny how tuned in to your body you are are you have said from the word go you didnt think this pregnancy would work.
Choccy good luck with the scan tomorrow - fingers crossed you will see a heartbeat.

I would love to meet up with you all but wouldnt get there until late as DH works late and I am around 1.5 hours away. Plus I still have my cold - had it for 3 weeks now so feel utterly crap. I feel really low today as my AF arrived yesterday at 9DPO. Thought it was implantation bleeding so spent the day feeling happy but its heavier today plus my temp has dropped really low. I am worried now that I have a luteal phase defect as 9DPO is not a good sign. Fed up of TTC as in all my 5 pregnancies I fell on 1st or 2nd month and this is not happening. Maybe I should just give up trying now???? I am going to be 40 next year so worried my time had passed by. My 3 year old saw me crying earlier, which upset her but I am finding it hard to hold it all together today! We have her christening on Sunday and 3 of my friends are coming who are 7 months pregnant. I would have been the same as them but miscarried in August so it will be hard. Have been avoiding them as its a painful reminder! Sorry for the long post but feel like I need a hug today!!

Sues -(((((( hugs))))))) xxxxxxxx

sue that's a big hug from me, I understand exactly how you're feeling about the age issue, believe me! And I've tried so hard to warn my DD that this 'baby' may not work out, she knows I'm pregnant (she saw the test(s), and is a bright little spark) but she's so very excited, it makes what I'm experiencing currently even harder. I'm not sure on the implantation temperature thing, but from a quick Dr Google it says your temp drops and then increases over 72 hours, so you could still be in with a chance? I had 2 days of implantation bleeding with my first pg last year, so it's still a possibility? Is your luteal phase usually ok, is this the first one that you're worried about? If it's normally ok, this could just be a blip? I don't know, I'm no expert by any means, no doubt others more clued-up can offer more reassurance but if this is just a one-off (if it does turn out to be AF, and isn't implantation, which it still could be?) then possibly it could be pred-fuelled, and nothing to worry about?

I know - and I'm sure everyone on here knows! - exactly what you mean about being fed-up of TTC. It's just takes so bleedin' interminably LONG, with the wait for OV, the 2ww, the wait for AF, wait wait wait. And it's hard not to get discouraged when it doesn't work out one month.

More hugs and good luck for the christening on Sunday, it is painful when faced with others being in the position you yourself should have been in but you know, when your pregnancy arrives and works out, it will all be worthwhile. That's what I keep telling myself, and I have to believe it or go nuts!

Ari how are you doing today? I hope things have calmed down and that everything is ok. Don't forget that brown blood is not necessarily a danger sign.

Scooter, good to see you here. Please do come along on Tuesday. It will do you good to be out of the house and also to be amongst people who truly understand what you are going through. Like you say, it can be pretty lonely and isolating when nobody 'gets it'. I think this is the worst time of year for it too. I had my last miscarriage 2 weeks before last Christmas and by a week later everyone, including my family, were so involved with Christmas that they forgot that I might be suffering.

Sue, I feel like we are in a really similar position. First with the strangely light and short periods, then the sudden change from conceiving 1st or 2nd try to a string of BFNs and then the short luteal phase (mine seems to be 10 days now). I can't help wondering whether Pred has this effect on a select few. I also understand how you are feeling about seeing your friends who are pregnant and around the same stage you should be. It's just not fair is it? I'm sending you a big hug too.

On Tuesday I am meeting up with 2 of my oldest friends for lunch. They both have babies. Last time we met up for lunch, in the same part of town too, we were all pregnant - but I had only just found out and they were both in their 2nd trimesters. I remember the first time I was pregnant, it was at one of their weddings and the other of them was complaining about how long she had been TTC with no luck and I was smugly/naively thinking "It's easy, you just need to know the right time to SWI". 4 or so years on, she has 2 kids and I have 6 pregnancies behind me. And just to add to the sting, she had her first baby shortly after I lost one of mine and unintentionally gave her the name I had always planned on if I'd had a girl. Sooo, anyway, by the time I meet up with you guys I will definitely need a drink and a small moan!

Hi Ladies,

Ari I am hearing you. 44 yes facing facts it is the more difficult end of the spectrum. Could I make a suggestion (being CGH expert) my friend is TTC her 2nd she is also 44 and her consultant has said they don't like to do CGH so much post 40 yrs as they "want to take the eggs they get and give them the best chance" rather than picking the good chromosonal ones. I don't agree with this as you have eggs - OBVIOUSLY.

Would you be willing to speak to Dr S and try super ovulation programme (costs about £220 per month on top of everything else). The main benefit will be the scan so he can pin point your egg number. Reason I ask is after seeing my 27mm follicle on CD12 and Dr S saying "it was a little big and perhaps a little too mature". This can be caused by hormonal imbalance (high insulin for me) and can affect the chromosonal integrity of the egg. Hopefully Metformin will reduce my blood sugar and have positive affect on hormones and subsequently my eggs. For you, if it is jsut down to age - then it is more of a numbers game and ovulating the egg at the right siz2 - 20 - 22mm may help with the chromosonal integrity of the egg. (I AM NO DR and hope this isn't inaccurate, but is def worth a conversation with Dr S before you give up or even throw everything at IVF &CGH. Happy to talk further on this if you like ?

Scooter of course I will PM you the details. Will be fantastic to have you and - actually you seem to get PG pretty darn quickly so am sure free particularly will be a great source of inspiration.

"Sue" - you sound like you may be having implantation bleeding. Although my luteal phase post ov has been shortening. I am happy to meet up with you near you next week or weekend as I think it would be nice. comedy too if she fancies we can re schedule.

I am 10 DPO and a BFN this morning. Am ok with that as convinced I have ovulated twisted eagle egg this time at 27mm. Hurry the F up though now please so I can get on with round 2 of super ovulation.

waves to everyone else
x

Thanks for the amazing welcome everyone!

Cheerful I am so very jealous of you topping up your vit D levels. It's beautiful and sunny here, but at 7 degrees not quite bikini weather!!

Ari fingers crossed everything settles down for you today

Sue and Ari I cannot believe how rubbish different areas are for mc testing. I had the same sonographer for my 2nd and 3rd mc and because she knew my history immediately said that I'd automatically have testing done after the d&c and I didn't even have to ask. It was exactly the same for the rmc test referral too. Guess i have been very lucky.

Duggs interesting that you say St Marys missed diagnosing your PCOS. I had a scan with them in Feb 2010 to see why I hadn't managed to get pg in over a year. It came back all clear. FF to June 2011 and the scan I had as part of the rmc and imagine my shock when Dr Aziz told me my scan showed a possible septate in my uterus which could be contributing to my mc. I asked why it had just been picked up now and not at the scan over a year earlier and he said he couldn't be sure but the sonographers doing the scans for the rmc clinic are more in tune with looking for things that contribute to rmc....great reason . Also after the septum removal I went to get the coils taken out and saw Dr Rai. When asked if the septum had been my issue, he said well it could have been but also could have been chromosomal, despite the fact that cytogenetic testing on my last mc had come back normal. He obviously hadn't read my notes!! And when asked about aspirin he said absolutely not, studies have shown it does more harm than good!
Funny though, this morning I got my surgery discharge letter from St Mary's dated, wait for it....12th October! Seriously??!!! Either St Mary's forgot to post or royal mail are pants!! I could have crawled there and got it quicker as I live about 2 miles from them!!

Had some more brown spotting this am and also some back ache so decided to do another test as I am convinced that things are not as they should be. CB digi said "not pregnant" and a FRER test didn't seem to have a line any more, so i assume it must have been a chemical pg. My first one it would seem. Waiting for Louise to let me know what to do about the pred. Actually am strangely relieved in a way, though god knows why - could be that I'd like to deflate my bloated tum! I bet the sadness and anger will probably hit when AF arrives in full, although who knows when that may be .

Hi to everyone else. Hope you are having great Friday afternoons! I'm off to put my Christmas tree up!!

kittens thanks for asking ... I'm still mildly cramping and low back ache, hasn't stopped all day. Spotting is now just that, very light brown and only a tiny bit. But (without wishing to seem too pessimistic) this is still exactly what I had in my first MC, exactly this kind of thing dragged on for 2 weeks before starting to turn heavier and red. I'm still waiting to see what shows on the scan, but I'm really not expecting to see anything good.

free and choccy just wanted to say good luck for your scans tomorrow, and I especially want to see some good news from you both, please! You and cheerful are carrying the flag for us 1st trimesters!

duggs hmm that's a very interesting suggestion, actually. I did vaguely wonder about superovulation myself, whether it would help anything. I had the initial ovarian scan with Mr S (seems years ago) where he pronounced himself pleased with what he saw .. 6 antral follicles on one ovary and I think 5 on the other. No idea what that means in terms of validity of eggs, and I don't recall him mentioning sizes either (sizes of ovaries, yes, but I don't remember anything about sizes of follicles being mentioned). I will definitely ask him about it on Wednesday, now you've suggested it, and see what he says. What does superovulation actually do?

Sorry you got a BFN duggs but I'm still chuckling at the thought of an eagle egg