Just MC and ready to try again? Pack your leathers, black nail polish, air guitar and jump in the mosh pit for some serious metalling. All welcome! (Part 18)

[Summerbird73]

New thread for some serious metalling. We are ramping up the amps and churning out some Metallica, Nirvana, ACDC, Stone Temple Pilots... with the occasional 90's rave music!!

If you have miscarried and are ready to TTC again, come and join us in the WTF cycles with the odd VIP ticket to the padded cell for some serious mentalling (now known as Metalling)

Welcome!

Thanks wellies. Sorry about AF MyDaydream. Fingers crossed for a fun weekend away.

Well we've been SWI several times a day recently so if it doesn't work it's been fun! Suppose I'm technically in the 2ww again. AF should appear 7the Dec -ish. Sticking to my promise of no POAS before Christmas, though, regardless.

Afternoon all

Hope everyone is well no cake i see will have to make do with crap asda hobnobs.

Blue - so glad your week from hell is over. The problem with being good at your job is people will leave it to you to sort. Sadly sometimes things have to be let to fall apart so people appreciate all that you do. Although they soon will once you go on mat leave. How exciting for DH bus ride home. I am sure it was a shock but all labours are different. My contractions started off very slowly and took a further 52 hours before ds was born. No shouting or swearing just be saying ouch that hurts ALOT!

IQ how wonderfully creative of you. I am impressed. How was the wine party and when is DH back? Can't be long now.

Pie - have you booked your scan yet?

Baby - your scan must be soon too?

Peb - a day off and and a weekend away you lucky girl. Hope the SWI hits the right spot :-)

MDD - sorry to hear AF arrived. Fingers crossed for the next cycle, keep up the good work.

MrsS I know the reminders are really hard and each week is a mile stone on what should of been. Hang on in there. Testing after Christmas wow you have will power!

Nothing new to report here - I have yet to tell my mum, I don't know why I am such a coward thinking we should tell them at Christmas when we see them. Or am I just putting it off?

Hope everyone else is ok. I have to bake a cake for the cake sale this week for DS school. Now I really am one of those mummies!

Hi all - been busy today as DH is finally home........yippee!!!!!!!

He was very shocked by my bump and keeps looking at it like it's from a parallel universe but all in all very good - plus he said my boobs look amazing (gone from a B to a D)........was a bit but I shall take it as a compliment!!

it's a bit weird having him home to be honest but still nice to know I haven't got to worry about where he is tonight or whether he's safe as he will be tucked up beside me.

Hope everyone is well - I will catch up with you all in the next few days.
Love to all!! Xxx

IQ that is great, understand how strange it is when they first come back. once on DP first night back after being away he woke up looked at me said who the bloody hell are you and fell out of bed! Think he was expecting to wake up in his bunk surrounded by sweaty men. Still makes me laugh. Have a great evening.

IQ that's great! So happy for you that DH is home

MyDaydream sorry about AF, on to the next cycle - positive thinking all the way

Well just wanted to check in to tell you all about my clinic visit really. I saw the consultant this afternoon, DH came too. It was certainly £175 very well spent indeed. He was incredibly knowledgeable about PCOS, and he explained what the latest research was etc etc. He spoke at length about how PCOS isn't really to do with your ovaries at all but rather a problem that causes cysts on your ovaries as a symptom IYSWIM. Apparently the latest thinking is that it is all to do with insulin. Anyway don't want to bore you silly with the science of it so I'll get straight to the ttc relevant bits.

He told me that miscarriage rates for women with PCOS are 30-40% (as opposed to 15% for women who don't have it) and again this is thought to be due to problems related to insulin. He also said that egg quality is an issue, especially with late ovulation.

Anyway, long story short he has prescribed Metformin (a drug which is primarily used for diabetics apparently) which I have started on today, and he has given me Clomid to start on CD2 of next cycle if we don't manage it this time around (in addition to the metformin). He also said that I should stay on the metformin until at least 12 weeks if when I do get pg again.

I can't tell you how wonderful it is to have spoken with someone who knows what they are talking about and who was so positive about my chances of conceiving (and holding on to) our next baby. I was not expecting him to be able to give us a plan of action that could start so soon, without hundreds of tests etc but as I had already been diagnosed a couple of years ago by a different private consultant where we used to live (I brought him a copy my previous notes) he said that it would be unnecessary. I was so relieved - I hate blood tests....

So here we are - plan is metformin this cycle - he hopes it will start to work immediately so I should have ovulation at a reasonably normal time (he reckons in about 10 days time which would be CD20, much more normal than previously), then Clomid and Metformin next time around if unsuccessful, with a scan on CD10 to monitor the effect of the Clomid. Then a scan at 6.5 weeks when pg to check all is well.

Oh and one last thing - he was very pro Bvit complex... but I may stop the agnus castus in case it interferes with anything.

and breathe......so sorry that was such an essay!

Lots of love to everyone

poppy that sounds amazing, hopefully you'll see some results very, very soon. Sounds well worth his money.

SUMMER!! Uh, I mean, Welcome back, marthas So happy to see you.

poppy Yes, if you're going to go the clomid route then you ought to stop the AC. It's odd, as AC is known as 'natures clomid' and has a similar, if gentler, effect of stimulating Ovulation but whereas logic would tell you to take both would lead to a stronger effect, what happens is they somehow cancel each other out!

Good luck with the Met. I've seen lots of women get very upset stomach when they first start it (and lose weight!), how's it going so far? There are several strategies to split the dose over the day etc if that is happening to you.

Hoping really good things will come of this! (and by thingS, i don't mean twins fromt he clomid )

IQ how wonderful DH is back.

Sorry about af arriving for various peeps, but, y'know, for a while it really is so much more about getting right back to normal, and another af as much as you don't want it, brings you closer to that.

peb will they not want you to start injections from bfp, then, or will aspirin do until week 7?

I'm feeling ultra paranoid these days - mmc discovered at 16+1 and I'm 15+6 today... I know this is a different pregnancy, things are going well so far (I listen in briefly with my doppler every day, hb was 150 yesterday) and I haven't gotten ill but... it's just there, in my head, irrational as it may be.

Manda are you a medical professional by any chance? You are very knowledgeable about these things, an extremely useful resource indeed I agree re AC, I am taking it this cycle as I am just on the Met at the moment but if we get to next cycle I will stop it whilst taking the Clomid.

Re side effects, I have taken 2 tablets so far, just about to take the third with lunch. So far so good, I feel a little stomachey and a bit off my food but I have been warned to expect this and more but also been told that if I can stick with it beyond the first week at the relatively high dose then it will settle down a lot so we'll see how it goes Interestingly he said I should take the Met through first 12 weeks of pg too to lower the risk of mc so potentially I will have the Met side effects AND morning sickness competing against each other to make me feel rotten....still, PMA, it will all be worth it in the end!

I have also been warned about the risk of multiples with clomid - apparently without medication the risk is 1%, with Clomid it is 8% - still small but significantly higher I think our take on it is that what will be will be, if we end up with twins then we'll be fine (once we're over the shock, house move, new car..... ) so I am happy just to get on with it!

Sorry you are feeling paranoid Manda , it must be so hard to be approaching that point but I hope you are reassured by the doppler - it must be magical to find that heartbeat

hey gang!

i am back from my weekend away and back in work - boo! got toothache so need to go to dentist, was hoping to get away with it until i am pg!

manda the consultant said i will only take the injections once they see a heartbeat around week 7. i have to take asprin from bfp. sorry to hear you are feeling nervous, it is understandable. would you be able to go for a scan to reassure you?

poppy i used to hate blood tests too but i am so used to them now i don't mind anymore.

i asked dh about trying before oz and he said it was a good idea to make the time go quicker but he still wants to wait. he said going on long haul flights and drinking/eating what i want on holiday isn't going to help me if i am pg. i was planning to not test until i got home when i would be around 6/7 weeks and carry on as normal(within reason) which is a bit naughty but loads of people don't know they are pg until that time anyway. he said we should ttc when we are in oz as i will ov towards the end of the holiday and the drinking/flying etc won't be as much of a problem. i know he is right but i was hoping to have a holiday and come back almost two months pg like magic! i know it's not guaranteed to work first time but you have to be in it to win it!

i can wait another month i suppose but i have still got a couple of weeks to convince him my plan is amazing!

oh oh sorry for being AWOL when i have only just joined you again went to the IL's at the weekend and was given a mahoosive lie in on Sunday morning as the gramps took charge of DS

have only skimmed the thread but big waves and un-MN hugs to everyone good to catch up with you all again

IQ your post made me feel all warm and fluffy - this bit

poppy, so glad your visit to the specialist went well - sounded very helpful and informative!

I am definitely off for trying before AF comes back as I am now on round FOUR (ding ding ding!) of antibiotics for my stubborn chest infection and they're contraindicated for pregnancy (also the vast amounts of antihistamines I'm taking for the rash I developed as a result of the infection and all the antibiotics). Also had to have chest x-ray to check for pneumonia and give what I can only describe as a phlegm sample. Joy. It's actually made me think that there's a (tiny) upside to my m/c as I'd have been incredibly sick if I was still pregnant and/or making tough decisions about medications - I had a chest infection that wasn't quite this bad when pg with DS and it was hellish. At least now I can just nuke the thing from orbit.

oooh and Manda sorry for pushing you out the way - OF COURSE i wanted to give you a hug too!! nice to be back in the mosh pit

Afternoon all...sorry for being a bit awol myself for the last few days! Last week utterly wiped me out but we had a lovely time at my Brother's and my nephew was sooo cute the whole time too!!

IQ to DH being back...I'm not suprised he was a bit by your bump...you probably look utterly different from when he last saw you!! Hope all is well and you're having a lovely time showing him all the things you've been making these last few weeks and telling him yuor plans for the nursery etc as well as generally 'catching up' with each other of course

marthas I work in Construction, hence the rather male environment and do bid submissions hence the periodic crazy stressful weeks and deadlines! Good to see you back!

manda hope you're doing ok, I've also had metalling moments even though I am well past MMC point from last time but it's not easy waiting in between appointments, scans etc. Hope the doppler is helping but would an interim scan help before Christmas...when is your 20w one scheduled for?

pebs sounds like your DH may have a point but still v frustrating to still be waiting!

poppy consultant appointment sounds like such a breath of fresh air and to get a plan of action so quickly is fantastic!! Looking forward to hearing how you get on!

leedy really hope you feel better soon...

I'm having a bit of a thing for soup this week so wondered whether anyone would like some nice homemade tomato and basil soup or leek, bacon and potato soup with some nice crusty rolls?

Mmm, leek and bacon for me please....

Hi all, busy day today so this will have to be short.

Poppy glad to hear how it went today, it all sounds very positive indeed. Am curious, as a Type 1 diabetic (so insulin dependent) about the insulin links. Might do a bit of Goggling later.

Scan is now five days from tomorrow, not that I am counting or anything (much!!) Am already excited but terrified. God knows what I'll be like by next Monday...

Bouncing back in briefly to say poppy that's brilliant news! What a pro-active consultant! Fingers crossed the drugs do their stuff this month :) You must be so relieved to have an action plan in place! That's really great!

Oooo baby that has come around quickly!

leedy ouch your chest infection sounds nasty! Hope this last round of antibiotics nips it in the bud and you get better soon!

IQ how lovely to have your DH back at last! Is that him at home on leave now until the birth?

martha HI! I'll have a pork buttie with HP sauce and gerkins please! :) Great to see you back on here :)

manda hope you're doing okay chick, it's great you can get reassurance from the doppler, and go for an extra scan at 16w if that would help to see bubs. I think I will be having extra scans if this pregnancy continues. I'm just constantly analysing everything I don't know whether or not to have the flu jab till after 12 weeks and have a bit of a stress about it all.

blue how many weeks are you now? I also work in a male dominated environment (although still quite a few girlies in the office).

eve how's things? I totally understand about not wanting to tell people. With DS I held off till 15 weeks but there is no way I will be able to hide this one that long if I get that far. My tummy already looks huge and bloated and i'm having to dress very carefully for work.

My head is still very much firmly in the sand but i've got horrific belly bloat and looking at old photos my tummy is the same size at 9 weeks as it was at 20 weeks with DS I can't stop eating though as it helps keep the nausea away.

Sorry for not name checking everybody! After a great few months of hassle free bedtimes ie/ putting DS in his cot straight after stories and then he talks to his cuddly toys for a while before falling asleep for 12 hours seems to have gone by the wayside I knew it was too good to last! He just wants more and more stories then cries when I put him in his cot and yells 'books! 'books'! and the cries on/off for a while before falling asleep! So my evenings are a bit more fraught at the moment and we're not sitting down to dinner till much later! It's just a phase though

Love to all
Pie x

baby excited for you about the scan!

I was trying to remember who had said they were diabetic, I thought it was you...do you have any experience of Metformin, or is it something normally given to Type 2 peeps? Sorry I am totally clueless about the various types of diabetes....

It was very interesting actually, the consultant thinks I may have had something akin to gestational diabetes with DS as a result of the insulin resistance - I didn't really follow his train of thought on that one, I'll have to wait for his write up of our appointment for that - but he did ask whether DS was a big baby (he was 8lb7oz, which is big for my 5'1" size 8 frame anyway) and said that this was an indicator. Anyhoo this means a lot more blood-tests and monitoring next time around...

I was also very interested in his theories on the way insulin problems can increase the risk of mc (I think I might do some further googling myself on that score as again, he blinded me with science a little bit!)

Pie I am very bloated too but can't work out what's pregnancy related and what's just general lack of tone I tend to wear empire line / loose clothes anyway (am not huge, btw, but do have a bit of a tummy) so luckily have not had to dress any differently. Blue, as you're two weeks ahead of me, how's your middle looking? (In comparison to normal.)

Pie just wanted to add after x post - I am in constant fear of the bedtime thing...at the moment (touch wood desperately) DS is very good at bedtime but I am all too aware how quickly things can change! You have my sympathies Its a phase its a phase its a phase its a phase - to quote someone clearly very learned in the ways of the toddler: "this too shall pass"

I am a Type 1 diabetic which is quite different to a Type 2. Basically, my pancreas doesn't work so my body does not make insulin, hence I have to inject it. Type 2 diabetics tend to develop a resistance to insulin over a period of time and it is linked to poor diet and obesity. They can try diet and exercise, then drugs such as Metformin and, as a last resort, insulin injections.

Apparently diabetics, all types inc gestational, can have bigger babies as they put on weight as they need to produce more insulin if the mothers blood sugar is consistently high. Hmm, I wonder if you had that then. Did you not have a glucose tolerence test? I don't know whether they are offered to everyone or not (as I already have a type of diabetes they won't need to check to see if I am developing another!)

Poppy some info

Thanks baby that is brilliant info

I don't think I did have any tests related to glucose, I always had to go to the hospital for my blood tests as the gps and midwives could never manage to find a vein so I suspect they just told me to have the minimum to avoid lots of trips. It is certainly a possibility, the consultant who saw me when I was in labour mentioned gestational diabetes too (ended up with emergency c section unsurprisingly!)

Thanks again for all of that information! There is so much confusion out there about diabetes isn't there.

The type 1 / type 2 / gestational diabetes is very confusing yes. As you are probably all aware due to my boring droning on, most people know someone who is type 2 and therefore assume I am too, so I brought on my condition myself. It does my head in!

I think they may be able to do a glucose tolerance test with just a finger prick - two hours after drinking some Lucozade or similar, I think. It doesn't have to be a vein (shudder). I sympathise with the veins thing, I have had terrible problems myself and I now get very hot and bothered. The best, by far, are phlebotomists (I may have spelt that wrong) as they do it all day. When I was rushed to A&E when I had my miscarriage the A&E nurse said my veins were 'grim' and it look FOUR different members of staff several attempts each before someone managed to get a canula in! I would make a terrible junkie...

You've just reminded me... I want a GTT this time.

Years ago, I had symptoms of pcos and the dr took blood... the results were that I had androgen levels that would rival a teenage boys! She said that given my symptoms and bloods she considered me to have pcos and that a scan would confirm it but as I wasn't a) ttc or b) she implied there was no treatment as such and c) it wasn't a 'nice' experience (dildocam, I guess - and I was much younger when all this happened) she didn't think it necessary.

Anyway. I've never had a problem falling pregnant despite late ovulation. But DS2 was 9lb 12oz and compared to DD (7 13) and DS1 (8 1) so it's quite a jump... I just reckon it's best to get checked even though they wouldn't usually because my bmi is very good.

So, with gestational diabetes are those more prone to it also those with higher BMI's? Manda did you end up having a section with the nearly ten pounder, or not? Sorry if you have said before.