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TTC/ pregnancy on Prednisolone or similar

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freelancegirl · 13/06/2011 16:21

I am not sure there are enough people here to start a thread but have been chatting on one on the pregnancy boards and was wondering if I could find any fellow ttc'ers on Prednisolone or similar?

I have just received a diagnosis of very high NK cells. It was a bit of a shock actually as it turns out I have some of the highest levels - 3.79 when anything over 1.8 is considered 'very high'.

Am trawling through Dr Beer's book and Dr Google and trying to found out more. I have been recommended 25mg prednisoline steroids for two weeks starting with ovulation, increasing to 40mg if/when BFP and then Intralipids Cyclogest too. I still have 13 days until I pop my first Pred.

There now just seem like so many hurdles - actually getting pregnant being the first one. I was prepared for high NK cells as I have high thyroid antibodies but it was shocking to be in the top 5% of people treated at the clinic. I am not sure if that gives me much less of a chance of being successful.

It would be great to hear from anyone else who is undergoing treatment and of course also if you've had successful treatment.

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eurochick · 11/10/2011 14:18

Digi good luck for the scan. Enjoy seeing your little bean on screen!

free it sounds like you have become nominated spokeswoman on this issue! Well done for "coming out".

Hi to everyone else. I am still waiting for Mr S's clinic to come back to me with an appointment. In fact, I will chase them now.

Comedyworks · 11/10/2011 14:28

All ok!! Saw heartbeat - can't quite believe it. Have seen at seven weeks once before but not at eight so intrallips and scan next week with Mr S will be a big step. Thanks again for the positive thoughts. This is all just as well as I look approx. 20 weeks pregnant at the moment!

Arianrhod · 11/10/2011 14:35

I'm a little nonplussed here right now ... I've been reading up on the MTHFR C677T (homozygous) gene mutation that I apparently have, and wanted to ask Mr Shehata's advice over the treatment plan. Those of us with this mutation apparently have problems metabolising folic acid - with the worst case of this mutation, as mine is, apparently you virtually cannot metabolise folic acid in its synthetic form at all. Here in the UK the standard treatment seems to be high-dose folic acid and low-dose aspirin (it's a thrombophilia-related problem, apparently). However, in the US, medical wisdom is stating it's no use giving synthetic folic acid since our bodies cannot metabolise this into the "methylated" state that it needs to be in for our bodies to use it (that's what normal people without this mutation do), and are saying people with this particular mutation need the methylated version (L-5-MTHF apparently), which is available via supplement form.

Also apparently low-dose aspirin is not felt to be a strong enough blood thinner to combat the blood clotting aspect of this, and in the US Levonox or heparin is prescribed (Levonox is a trade name of enoxaparin, which is low-molecular weight heparin).

Anyway, I wanted to just run this by Mr Shehata and ask him if I should be taking the methylated form of folic acid, and ask about heparin - I believe St Mary's prescribe this to women with this mutation. So I sent what I thought was a really nice email to Mr S's secretary, freely admitting I'm still learning about all this but asking if it would be possible to ask Mr S for his response on this.

I got an answer back basically saying Mr S is too busy to read an email like mine, that I should bring it up at my next appointment with him, and besides which Mr S "usually advises not to look on the websites as it causes complications".

I am, as I say, a little nonplussed by this response. I wasn't querying Mr S's expertise, I actually openly stated he is the expert and not me!, but I've read a LOT of medical sites that state exactly what I'm asking about, and I'd really like to know. It's a potential factor in my miscarriages - commonly causes miscarriages - and I want to make sure I'm actually taking the right stuff, if you know what I mean - or at least to hear why US medical advice, which seems to be light years ahead of us in so many medical things, is wrong in this. The comment that people with this particular mutation shouldn't be treated with synthesised folic acid makes perfect sense to me if the whole problem is our bodies cannot metabolise synthesised folic acid into the body-useable methyldated form - surely?

Not quite sure what to do about this now - is it even worth raising with Mr S when I see him on Monday, if this is the kind of response I'm going to get? Confused

Arianrhod · 11/10/2011 14:36

Woohoo coconut, fabulous news!! :)

Arianrhod · 11/10/2011 14:36

Aarggh I meant comedy not coconut .. sorry Blush

pureequeen · 11/10/2011 15:12

Hi there ladies from the rmc threads and hello everyone else. Have finally found this thread after starting 25mg pred last Thursday (have one DS and the short story is that i have had 5 first trimester miscarriages. Mr s has diagnosed high nk cells).

Sounds like everyone doing well? So sorry to have missed your media coverage free - I am on holiday in Greece (pouring with rain in case anyone felt envious) so didn't hear about it and have only just figured out the wifi at the hotel. Congrats on "coming out"!

So far not too many side effects from the pred - I think... Just sore joints. The all you can eat all inclusive buffet at the hotel for breakfast lunch and dinner is a bit of a challenge as is the fAct that our all inclusive deal includes alcohol. I don't think we are getting our money's worth out if this holiday!

Wishing everyone well for upcoming scans.

digitalgirl · 11/10/2011 16:43

Dating scan good! NT measurement within range. Yay and Phew!

Stogan · 11/10/2011 17:00

Yey fab news comedy and digital woo hoo !!! XGrin

Well I just saw a friend that I ja net seen for a couple of weeks and she said hid u haven't half grown u have a proper bump now !!!! Felt amazing am only now at almost 19 weeks beginning to Elisha that I may actually have this baby, I Jo that sounds negative but believe me that is very positive for me YEY !!! x

Stogan · 11/10/2011 17:01

OMG sorry for the terrible spelling, stupid predictive text on my phone ??

suemays · 11/10/2011 17:44

Comedy - fantastic news, what a relief!! There seems to be so many success stories on here so I am hoping I will be one of them soon!

Taking a pregnancy test tomorrow as Dr S has told me to not take steroids longer than 14 days but I don't think I will get a BFP as I think now that I ovulated really late on this cycle so it will be too early to tell. x

suemays · 11/10/2011 17:53

Welcome Pureequeen, I have only joined this group in the last few days but already feel more positive!

Ladies, I forgot to ask earlier but have any of you tried acupuncture in addition to Mr S's treatment plan? I was thinking of trying it but weighing up the cost factor. Are there any other weird and wonderful additional things anyone has tried, especially those that are having a successful pregnancy at the moment?
Also what OPKs are recommended as I will be using them next month with my clear blue fertility monitor to try and pinpoint ovulation (if I don't get a BFP).

Free - it is a co-incidence with the treatment for pre-cancerous cells etc. The things we have all been through, it's lucky that men don't have to deal with all this!

freelancegirl · 11/10/2011 18:32

Hey welcome to the Pred Thread Puree! And some amazing news with the scans today! So far so good on the thread this month. Lets hope it continues. Ari I know nothing about that condition but I feel I should read up on it too. A bit rubbish the response from the clinic but hopefully you get more info on Monday. He told me off a bit a few weeks ago and emphasised that I needed to trust him Hmm

I really, really want to respond to everyone properly but my every bone aches after a long day shooting - all standing up and holding heavy sound equipment in weird positions - and I still have pressing work to catch up on which am going to be doing until late, so I have to rush! Hope all are well xx

PS my relevant news in Mr S' prescription for Hydroxychloroquine (am fasting learning how to say/spell it) was on my doormat when got home this evening and I think he wants me to start taking them straight away! I am going to make an appt with my GP to see if I can convert it to NHS. Here goes the new treatment. Even though am not ttc again until mid Nov!

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BrownieGecko · 11/10/2011 19:00

Hello ladies...firstly big apologies to Digi & Kittens for getting you both confused this morning

Great news girls on the scans today, it is definitely helping me errr on the positive side in what we are doing with the roids and intralipids etc.

Ari - I think you should ask your questions on Monday. Fair enough if they didn't want to respond by email as it may of been a complex response but given our histories it is only normal to want to question and understand (more importantly) why we are on certain drugs/dosages etc.

Am off for an early night as jibbered from too much puppy walking today as got lost :)

Stogan · 11/10/2011 20:54

Fingers crossed for u testing tomorrow sue x?

digitalgirl · 11/10/2011 21:47

Welcome and hello again pureequeen. Lovely to have you here. Good luck with this cycle, hope the roids don't mess with your head too much.

comedy wonderful news on the scan. So pleased!!! One step closer.

sue yes I've had acupuncture throughout ttc and the first trimester of pregnancy. I went to the London Acupuncture Clinic and Mr S often sends his patients there, so they are very experienced at dealing with women on his treatment program. Good luck testing tomorrow.

ari I'm afraid I don't really know much about MTHFR - but it sounds like you've dug up some interesting research and it's definitely worth bringing it up with Mr S. He's very pro-active and would possibly consider trying out some of the treatment if there was enough evidence of success.

stogan glad your friend stirred up some positive feelings in you.

free hope you're relaxing this evening and being taken care of by your lovely dh. It's hard work being a superwoman.

Arianrhod · 12/10/2011 09:55

digi fabulous news on your dating scan, and what a relief about the NT result too. Excellent stuff!

Welcome puree, draw up a chair and grab some hot buttered toast. Or is that just me? :)

sue I'm also having acupuncture, after having had it recommended highly by a couple of people on the BabyCentre board and I have to say, I don't know if it's a coincidence but by my second proper cycle after this last MC my cycles are straight back to what they were (14/28) before I got pregnant for the first time this time last year. They haven't been regular in a year, messed up by the miscarriages, yet almost straight after my last MC they're back to normal. I think it's the acupuncture, personally, and I intend to keep right on going! The acupuncturist I'm seeing (specialises in fertility issues) also knows of Mr S and his treatments, so I've been giving her all the information Mr S is giving me about my results and treatment plan, she says it helps her to know what to help with.

OPKs - personally I use Clearblue digi ones in conjunction with my CBFM (obsessive, moi?). I like the belt-and-braces approach, and they've never failed me yet.

free good luck with the new treatment, let's hope it proves to be the wonderdrug for you! Are you also still doing the pred/intralipids etc alongside?

/waves to everyone else, hope everyone is doing well this morning!

suemays · 12/10/2011 12:10

Hi ladies, did the test this morning and it was a BFN. I am glad in one way as I know as soon as I get a BFP I will be obsessing! I might still be preggers as I do think I only ovulated a few days ago (day 22) as a result of the steroids so I will do another test at the weekend. I came off the steroids today after Dr S advised me not to take them longer than 14 days.

Thanks for the advice on the acupuncture, I might give it a whirl as I have found a Zita West one not far from me. I don't really want the hassle of going to the London clinic as I live in Bucks!

Had another friend over yesterday who told me she was pregnant again - that's 2 in 2 days! I had to laugh otherwise I think I will go mad!!!

Iggi999 · 12/10/2011 23:46

Great news Digi! Very happy for you.
Ari all I could regarding the short shrift you got, is that some secretaries feel they have to 'protect' their bosses and keep anyone from bothering them and their precious time? I hope you have a better response when you have the appointment.

Arianrhod · 13/10/2011 13:02

Morning ladies, how's everyone doing today?

Thanks Iggi, I did wonder that myself, whether Mr S's PA is just trying to 'protect' him. I will take the information along on Monday to ask but you know, even if he dismisses it, I am going to take the l-methylfolate version rather than synthetic folic acid anyway - I just have to persuade my GP to change her prescription. I'm hopeful I can do that, and in the meantime, you can buy 800mcg l-methylfolate tablets OOC anyway so I'll just take 6 of those a day until I can get them prescribed!

I am a little weary with the amount of medical info we have to find out on our own - wouldn't it be just fantastic if we could rely on the professionals to have all the latest relevant information and apply it to us? shrug For now, there's Dr Google, with a big dollop of common-sense applied to anything he comes up with.

Arianrhod · 13/10/2011 13:13

BTW .. I'm day 9 of the 25mg pred so due to test tomorrow (although I still think that's early), but felt no implantation cramps or anything (and I have for all others), so I'm presuming it's a no-go for this month anyway. Ho hum. I need a large dose of patience, anyone got any to spare? :)

digitalgirl · 13/10/2011 14:36

sorry for the BFN sue but as you said it could be too early.

ari I didn't get my implantation cramps till the morning of 10dpo. Just sayin'. Glad you've made a decision to take the different version of folic acid. I think anything that gives you peace of mind is a good thing.

Came out at work yesterday and told my dad. Feels like a relief.

Arianrhod · 13/10/2011 14:48

Hmm Interesting digi, but when did you get your BFP then? not the same day, I'm thinking! Well I'll wait and see, but I'm not holding my breath ... blue is such an unattractive shade for skin colouring! ;) Fab news about telling your dad - bet it feels great, and another milestone too!

digitalgirl · 13/10/2011 14:58

ari I didn't test till 12dpo and I got a very very faint BFP then, so it could well have been negative the day before. I'd decided that cycle not to test till 12dpo as I wouldn't believe a BFN at 10dpo.

digitalgirl · 13/10/2011 15:01

and yes it was good to be able to tell my dad. nice to share some good news for a change.

Arianrhod · 13/10/2011 16:03

Mmm my thoughts exactly. I'll test tomorrow, but only because Mr S said I must. If it's neg, I'll carry on taking the pred until 12dpo (Sun) and then test again. I'll believe that one ;)