Sixth Form Common Room part III - post mc ttc & pregnancy

[ZamMummyInGabs]

Hoping to continue the trend of the lucky thread....

Amazon cheapie tests link for tomboy

Oh yes am in the ancient brigade over here as well - although I am still the youngest of all my friends and family pregnant at the mo!

Hope you had a good one digi Hope you didn't over do it. I was so hung over last week that I decided I must be pregnant and did a test despite having had a perfectly normal period only the week before >

Izzy I am in the middle of a million tests. It almost helps that there are so many - I think my brain has given up trying to work out how to worry about them all and I am now in a serene state of denial.

MummyA lovely to have the Oracle back! Great news on your test - hope you feel better very soon.

Dachs loads of positive thoughts going into your ivf cycle - have a fab holiday.

Mouse I love your scheduling - I tend to be always trying to work out when I can go out with people based on my cycle - I really should just try not drinking but everyone think s I am pregnant if I don't drink!

Tomboy welcome - it is so crap trying to work out what your body is doing through all of this. Keep on poas-ing!

I keep being told that for all my various stuff that 'hormones' could be the problem. Does anyone know what tests (other than the 7 day post ov - progesterone test) there are to determine whether your hormones are mixed up? I had a fairly low progesterone (44 enough to ov but not necessarily hold a pregnancy) on my last test but I think I was out by 2 days as af turned up earlier than expected. Has anyone used progesterone cream?

sorry - all I know is that high FSH (follicle stimulating hormone) and high AMH (to do with ovarian reserve) mean that you're buggered when it comes to conceiving. Which is why I need IVF.

It is standard to prescribe progesterone to people who have had problems before or trouble conceiving. I get prescribed progesterone as standard from the IVF clinic and my ob said he prescribed it as standard as well. But more as a placebo than because it was needed. I'm going to take anything that's offered and be grateful. And pray (even though it won't work because DH doesn't believe in God)

MummyAbroad thanks for all the info. The EPU gave me a copy of my notes after my scan, and my blood hCG 3 days post-mc was 394. They said to me at the time that this was "a bit of pg hormone", but thinking about it, that should have been more than enough to turn a urine test positive, shouldn't it? I guess their urine test really was very insensitive.

The test I did on Thursday was a pretty sensitive home test (25 mIU/mL, when the Boots own brand ones are 50), and it took several minutes to start showing a faint line. I've not had any other symptoms that would raise alarm bells, so I'll just keep testing and keep an eye out.

They didn't say anything about all this at the EPU, just told me to come back if I didn't stop bleeding. sigh

sorry, \i meant low AMH :(

tomboy it certainly sounds as though the test you did in hospital was a bit pants! I would retest in a week and go from there, it's still early days.

I need a fish slap please...day 19 (or technically 20 as it's after 12 but anyway) and I've got very sore very full boobs...too early for pmt or (whispers) could I be??!!

AandR at Oracle. Before I got the AS diagnosis, every doctor I saw insisted it must be "hormonal" problem so I had several bloods tests, but all looking at basic stuff. Have a look at www.fertilityplus.org/faq/hormonelevels.html#female this for an idea of what different hormone tests can tell you.

As well as looking at ovarian reserve as Dach says, you can also check for
-indicators of PCOS (comparing LH: FSH ration on day 2 of your cycle)
-check thyroid/prolactin/testosterone levels are OK (any time in the cycle)

Do get a copy of your results afterwards so you can check levels yourself against different sources as many doctors have different criteria as to what "normal" level is. I'm sure you will get lots more good advice soon from the other ladies, as there are a few who have concrete diagnosis who know lots more about it.

Tina I will put my suspenders on for you, and cross all my fingers.

tomboy hmmmm, curious that you could go from 394 to negative pee test. Even a very insensitive test would pick that up. If you want some numbers to compare to, in this current pregnancy my first blood test at 12 DPO was 51, and the internet cheapie pee stick was (very) feint. Pee stick starting getting dark when blood HCG was 150+ ish

In my mc pregnancy I had blood HCG of 250, and a dark line on a pee stick, and had ERPC for retained tissue (it was 3 months after the mc)

If your lines are feint now, it looks like your HCG is dropping quickly, so thats good. Hopefully over the next few days you will see the pee sticks getting lighter and lighter. Dont throw them away, after use, keep them for comparison. Sorry your EPU wasnt helpful, it seems to be such a lottery.

fx lovely, my boobs swelled immediately and were my first teasing sign even before i poas.

Yay on passing the driving texts mummya well done!

Oh don't get me wrong, I was very pleased with the care I got at the EPU. It just sounds like whatever urine test they used was duff.

Tina sounds very positive! (No pun intended.)

Just a quick swoop through as it's late and time for bed (no really!) got a laptop back today so am back able to read properly instead of squinting at my iphone screen (still haven't downloaded the app..really must get on with that). I'm post-o now, temps were very dispiriting - miserable rise until this morning when it shot up to a decent post-o level..coincidentally it was the morning after I found my progesterone cream and rubbed it on my tum the night before - who knows whether it helped or whether temps would have gone up anyway (actually think I may just check charts to see what's normal for me). Anyway, someone was asking about it, I use it post-o, and have found that my LP is generally a day or so longer on it than otherwise.

Thanks everyone for the positive thoughts . I really don't want to get my hopes up, I've been here too many times before. But it does feel a little early for pms and it's really sore straight away rather than the usual gradual build up, the same as my last pregnancy. On the other hand I ovulated on day 12/13 which is quite early so I suppose I could just be having a short cycle?

Morning all! It's so sunny and glorious, I am loving it. Except for the fact I have loads of homework to do and can't spend all day sitting in the sun.

tina sounds good . Positive mental attitudes your way. When do you test then?

I am a bit meh about the iPhone app actually ladybee. I can't scroll back to read whilst posting, and my memory won't cope with that, and it seems to update seperately from my pc, obviously, but when I've read on my pc and then bumped and reset then I have to do the same on the app to keep them in line. Essentially I am lazy, but use my pc as much as I use the iphone, so I've abandoned the app and just stick with bookmarks in safari on the phone. But you might find upsides that I didn't!

tomboy welcome! Hope you get the results you want from the wee sticks soon! FWIW it took me nearly 3 weeks to get a neg after my ERPC.

ma how lovely to have you back and sounding good. Are you and ds fully recovered now?

digi did you have a lovely birthday? Hope you were spoilt.

ooh mouse that sounds lovely. Which hotel are you going to? I am very jealous, hope you have an amazing time.

Waves ot dachs, wiggle, aandr, knitter, freezing, izz, stitch, jolls and bb

Whoops, and collie and zam x

morning all

Advice please (and TMI alert) - I usually have light AF - red for two days then a little brown for two days then nothing. I got positive on OPK last Saturday, then started bleeding on Thursday and have had red blood ever since. I don't usually bleed for this long and it hasn't started turning brown yet. It's not eve mucusy, it's just blood. Do I need to see a doc or just wait it out, it being the WTF cycle anyway? Am bothered about it given that I'm about to go away on hol on Wednesday.

yrmotb Can't you do the homework sitting in the sun?

I still can't get the mn app to work on my iphone - still keeps crashing so i've given up. I tend to just bookmark the pages too, although have given mn mobile a try which i find easier to read.

yrmotbean i agree with dachs get outside and do your homework. I have a gp apt today so am working from home and am currently sat outside working. its LUSH!!

Dachs i normally say to wait it out a little longer as, as you know, everything can change in your wtf cycle and as you were far gone it could be likley that there is lots of blood still be be gotten rid of. So i really do doubt its anything, particulary as you've got no pain and had a BFN. But if i was going away on Weds, i'd want the extra reassurance now, that all was ok so as not to have to deal with anything whilst away. I think given you are going away, they'll be more likely to check you over, rather than just sending you away to wait it out if you weren't.

I agree with collie, dachs. It doesn't sound like any cause for concern, my first period after my erpc (I know it's not the same, sorry) was around 9 days and usually I am a 3/4 day person. They got gradually lighter as time went on so now they are back to normal(or they were). Maybe just ask for some reassurance.

dachs my AFs are always more free-flowing and longer in the first few cycles after my MCs, not sure if it's the same in your situation but I would expect things to be a bit different after your losses for a few cycles more. I would say that if you feel 'well' in yourself, no temperature, no unusual pain, no dizziness or nausea then you can leave going to the GP unless you really are v worried.

I had my hopes up a few days ago with v 'zingy' nipples and tender boobs but it's all gone very boringly normal again and as AandR (I think) has reminded me before6dpo is classic for being v 'symptomy'.

Being back in winter on this side of the world I'm having the usual problems with taking my temp. I find if I take my temp when I first wake up if I've had my arms out of the covers my temp is really unreliable. So I'm burrowing down under the covers for 5 mins before temping. Oh, and I caught FF's discount on facebook and got a whole year's subscription at a lovely discount. It's a bit pessimistic but I'm thinking of it more as a sods law lure....come here fishy fishy fishy. I like having the VIP stuff back though, even with the 'scorecard' - we got a 'good' this month. I think it's about the best I can hope for.

In other news, I think I'm either getting conjunctivitis or an infected eyelash - very itchy and red lower lid...is that worth a dr visit or do you think just looking after it with boiled water would do the trick?

Oh and I think I've found a day care for DS and might have some consultancy work lined up...feels like a few more pieces of the puzzle falling into place, even if the middle is missing.

Hello everyone. I am ready for a little delurk.

Firstly hello to all new people, congrats to stitch and big waves to everyone. I won't do a huge catch up as I will be here forever :)

dachs I don't think it sounds anything to worry about - like the others have said as long as there is no fever, pain or high temps, you should be ok. However if you do fancy some reassurance then give the gp a call. At least you won't have to worry on your holiday then x
lady I missed the FF offer but at the moment I am not charting, I am mainly sleeping and drinking wine. I think some warm salt water might do the trick for your eye, but if it progresses into a sty you may need some anti biotic eye drops.
digi thank you for your Pm and useful info. It is kind of you to think of me.

In my news, I have emailed MR Shehatas clinic who have said they can see me in july but as they focus on pre conception care not to get pregnant for 2 cycles. I don't know if I can wait that long. I miss being pg, and I just want to be pg again, but what happens if I MC again - I will have wished I had waited. I think initially I am going to wait to see my own consultant with any test results from the baby and see what he has to say. The dilemma of what to do is awful. I also have the added pressure that come september if I am not pregnant then I am due to go away with work for around 6 months. I can't get out of it. If I am pregnant then I won't go. Sigh.

I hope all our pg ladies are doing well and the 2ww are feeling lots of symptoms too xxx

Hi all!

I'm loving the app yrmotb and collie. I do have a few gripes like not being able to go back into threads once I've started typing and not being able to see if anyone's added a post without actually going back into the thread but it's much quicker and easier than safari. I especially love the easy smilies!

dachs my first proper af after the mc wad very very heavy, the second one went on for days! I hope that it's just your body having a good clearout.

ladybee so you've missed out on a summer this year then? I would use cool boiled water on the eye and if that doesn't work in a few days try chloamphenicol eye drops, you can buy them over the counter here but not sure about there.

I'm resisting the urge to test...especially as my boobs aren't quite as sore today, it seems worse at night. I don't think I've got pms grumps but dh doesn't agree! I think I did well not to shout at the gas engineers who turned up unannounced this morning, blocked the drive and told me they are replacing all the pipework as far as the house today and tomorrow! I told them no way are they drilling the drive in the morning as I'm working tonight, they agreed they can do it in the afternoon but that does mean a) no gas for cooking tomorrow and b) I have to stay in and not visit my friend. I phoned the company to have words and they can't really understand how we didn't get a letter

Oops...I meant to say it's lovely to hear from you battery

Hi dach you might want to keep an eye on your energy levels and take an iron supplement if you feel you are flagging. I agree with the others that as long as there are no infection symptoms, and it doesnt continue excessively, you neednt worry. From my AS blinkered way of looking at things, I think its better to have too much blood than not enough! Hope its settles soon though, for your convenience.

YRMOTB Yes, I'm feeling better thanks. DS is on antibiotics now and getting perkier by the day

Tina Good resolve on the testing. Will pop back later to see if you've weakend

ladyB owch, sounds painful. I'm afraid I've no advice but hope it gets better soon.

battery nice to see you. I sympathise with the waiting dilema. I was made to wait too, and it was agonising. However the worst part was making the decision and taking those first few contraceptive pills, once I got going it was actually unexpectedly liberating to have a break from TTC. Also at one point I cheated and we TTC'd a month earlier than we should have and I completely panicked that I had done it all wrong, and it would end horribly. If I had got pregnant that month I would have spent the entire time in mental torment thinking that I had done harm to the baby, so thankfully I didnt. There is a lot to be said for the peace of mind you gain from doing things "properly" I appreciate its still a hard decision though and one that is entirely yours.

In my news I am starting to think about a birth plan. Very hard given all the extenuating circumstances and my medical history. At the moment I am just going round and round in circles and cant decide what option would be best

Morning! I'm at work and we've been playing with a necklace and ring to find out how many kids we'll have and I got 2 girls! It was really spooky watching the ring move by itself and it got everyone who's got children right...

Waves to all x

Just caved...day 22 10dpo and bfn

Morning all. for bfn tina but 10dpo is very early so don't necessarily think you're out! Hold out for another few days. I did the ring test, although with ring hanging off one of my hairs. It's my MIL trick and out of the past 6 times she has done it she was only wrong once, and it turned out the ring they used wasn't the pg ladies. Said girl for me. I was very unconviced before she did it but watching it spin out if nowhere was amazing. How do you test number of dc?

lady I somtimes get eye infections especially this time of year. Think it's a mix of contacts and heyfever. I usually get some eye cream from the pharamcy and it normally clears up within a day or two.

battery nice to hear from you, how are you and dh doing? I can imagine the wait to ttc would be very hard, but perhaps once yoy make that decision (if you do) it will be liberating. I can only imagine how stressful long distance ttcing has been. I know it's a very very thin silver lining but you could realax and drink your way through enjoy the rest of the summer!

mummya I think thinking about the birth plan is stessful enough without your additional complicatons. But it's good you're thinking about it. Have you thought about posting again on the grads thread. I'm sure everyone there misses you lots and would have lots of good advice.