The 6th form post mc ttc and pregnancy common room Part 2

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Getting us started on a new thread; this one is gonna be a lucky one!

Battery Glad AF hasnt arrived that is good news, hope you are keeping sane during the wait.

Jolls oh no! poor DS! After a christmas bout of travel sickness I discovered that catching it in a very wide bowl is a lot easier than a bag. Hope he gets well soon.xx

Chloe meds are stopping me from puking, but dont stop the feeling of nausea. At least I can eat and drink (though its a bit forced as I dont enjoy much) and I am not getting dehydrated so thats good. But the never ending nausea is just maddening! I think its actually pretty constant, but sometimes if feels so much worse - I am sure its just my tolerance wearing thin when I am tired and emotional. At least I have been reassured that there is a healthy bean at the mo, so it feels worth the suffering.

jolls tigger thanks for the fibroid stories, they really do seem to be quite common. Dr google is being reassuring too, apart from showing gruesome pictures Apparently they grown when stimulated by hormones, so I probably grew with one when on the high dose HRT in December. Pregnancy might make it grow more too, so I'll just have to watch it.

Caribou Hello! thanks for thinking of me how are you going? All well i hope xxx

Evening all, it's quiet today.

Scan showed blood clots still there. They've packed me off to try and have a period to see if that clears it and they're going to scan me again in 6 weeks.

So... I have a cupboard full of vitamins. Can anyone recommend a list of supplements I should be taking to encourage my body to do what it should? I have poly cystic ovaries and irregular cycles if that makes any difference.

My last proper period was 16th July 2010!!!!

All help much appreciated xxx

battery sorry about bfn, fingers crossed it was just too early and there's a bfp waiting for when your dp gets home too.

mouse sorry you're having to go through all this. I'm no expert on supplements etc but I believe vitamin B6 can regulate hormones etc and possibly agnus castus?? Maybe best to wait for someone a bit more knowledgable to turn up though

Have you considered acupuncture? I believe that can help regulate periods etc and it places a huge emphasis on blood supply/ flow etc. It may help to shift those clots and get your cycle back on track. hth xx

Ooh that's interesting wiggle how do I find a reputable acupuncture person?Does it hurt? x

mouse I've just come back from my appt with Dr Shehata and he recommends taking pregnacare plus (with omega 3), 25micg of Vit D3 and 75mg aspirin (unless you have a condition where you shouldn't thin your blood).

And to others who were interested to hear about my appointment, it was really good. He's prescribed me metformin for my long irregular cycles. I told him my ovaries were polycystic but that the hormone tests I did were all normal. He said that I still had pcos even though my hormone levels were fine. I'm rather spotty at the moment so i think that helped sway him in favour of the prescription. I'm so pleased to finally have something that can help me regulate my cycles. TTC with 40 day cycles is bloody hard work - especially when you start swi early 'just in case this time the egg comes early'.

Also he said that in most cases where a couple have a child followed by recurrent miscarriages it is down to high nk cells. So I'm also pleased that it's looking likely we'll find a cause and, most importantly, a treatment. I had bloods taken for nk cells, anti-thyroid antibodies and I think anti-nuclear antibodies. I need to chase for a print out of my results from the full thrombophilia screening I had done with UCH (all clear), and I dont need to test my amh (as I'm only 32 and no history of perimenopause in my family).

Follow up appt is 18 April when I get the results and my treatment plan.

I'm to wait to have one period first as miscarrying straight after an erpc carries risks. Which is fine by me. If I can reduce my cycle length with the metformin then at least I won't be waiting for bloody ages.

Feeling so positive right now! So so pleased we had this appointment.

Hi Mouse - I did accupuncture over a year ago (didn't work in my view but was very relaxing). I looked on the threads here and found someone recommended in Harley Street - Ian Pritchard. He was very nice and down to earth and didn't promise me any miracles (I was doing it ttc obviously). He also wasn't too expensive even though it was harley street.

Glad to hear it went well Digi.

hi mouse I'm glad they want to try a non invasive type approach first. I would be careful of the Agnus Castus (also called Vitex) if I were you, it is very strong stuff. Be aware that it gives some women very strong mood swings and depression. If you decide to take it, keep an eye on your moods and dont hestitate to stop if you start feeling bad.

I think it might be good to try raspberry leaf capsules. Women take them at the end of pregnancy to tone the uterus and make contractions stronger, so this could help you have some nice strong contractions when you get your period too (and push out those clots). I took them after my surgery for a month. Evening Primrose Oil also causes uterine contractions and is thought to help regulate cycles that are a bit long/irregular too - its not as strong as Angus Castus so I would give it a go to see if it helps. Dont continue to use any of these once you start TTC though.

Taking B6 is thought to extend your luteal phase, I dont think this is really a problem for you. The AC and EPO are thought to help in the first phase of the cycle building up estrogen (both contains estrogen-like substances) so that you release an egg. If you are having long cycles it is probably this bit that needs a helping hand, rather than the last phase.

I think Izzy and Digi are the acupuncture experts around here - hope they will be along soon with more advice xxx

misspelt it's Ian Prytherch www.balance-acupuncture.co.uk/practitioners.htm

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Digi thats great news.

mouse so sorry to hear that things are still carrying on

I've got PCOS too and massively irregular periods too (9 months without af at one point). I've been having reflexology since my m/c with a practitioner that deals with subfertility - and I've really noticed a difference. She was able to tell which side I had most cysts on from feeling my feet, much less intrusive than fanjo cam. (I was a bit sceptical at first, but this swung it for me). She's working to balance my hormones and stimulate my edocrine (is that right) system. I do feel lots better, and relaxed too.
I'm also on pre-preggers multivitamins, + extra iron bcs of m/c and have tried Agnus Castus and it did make a difference. But, and this is boring, the thing that most regulates my cycle is gentle exercise - swimming, walking or even yoga. It really, really makes a difference. Hope this helps

so pleased scan went well mummya, to Izz, Chloe and to everyone else with FX for battery
hoping I can lurk here, other thread going to fast for me RL keeps taking over

Oh, and mouse meant to add, that when i thought my m/c was over, i had reflexology and it shifted the rest, which I hadn't even realised was still there, sorry if TMI.

come in and make yourself comfy BlackKat

I knew I could rely on the collective wisdom of my common room friends! Thank you.

It's worrying to hear your doctor has said that about NK cells digi and very interesting about the mc after erpc - look at the bloody mess I'm in!

Ugh. Right. Am back on the pills as of tomorrow. I'd love to have reflexology I just can't seem to find anyone for less than £50 per session. DH will defo not agree to that!

waves to all

Right, just took AC, EPO and Starflower Oil and I've restarted my folic acid.

I'm going to take the baby asprin in the event of a bfp unless you think I should be taking that now too?

Thank you again xxx

mouse I'd ask the doctor about the aspirin. It can make you bleed more, so I guess would be dangerous if you suddenly needed to be whisked in for an ERPC. Pregnant ladies have to stop taking it before their due date for this reason.

Mouse Ignore my waffle about supplements and listen to Mummy - she's much more informed than I am about these things! The acupuncture fertility network site will tell you where you can find an acupuncturist near you and no, it doesn't hurt, it can be v relaxing.
I'm not sure where in the country you are but it's usually around £50 per session (London). I had reflexology after my mc and felt that that was beneficial too (ov'd the following day) It was £60 for an hour but they also do 30 min sessions for £30 (Neal's Yard Therapy Rooms)

Digi Brilliant news, so glad your appt went well and you're getting some answers/ treatment. Shorter cycles shoud make things much less stressful too. Interesting about NK cells. I'm awaiting results of Chicago immunes at the moment. How do they treat for NKs?

Welcome Blackkat

CD10 here post chemical and not sure I can be botheredthis month am trying to muster up some sort of ttc enthusiasm. It feels like such a chore these days . may just go for CD13 and CD14 swi and hope for the best. It worked last month, sort of..

wiggle I think it's a course of low dose corticosteroids from ovulation through to week 12 of pregnancy. Some women have an injection of something else I think it's ivig (will look it up tomorrow am on phone atm) too which I remember someone on the recurrent buns thread having. Have you read Alan Beer's 'Is your body baby friendly?' - it has it all in there. Lists the risks/side effects of steroids too, although most women I've spoken to on mn who are having the treatment have very little side effects (other than getting pg!).

You'll probably get your results before I do - will be interesting to hear what they say.

mouse I had acupuncture and it regulated my cycles, but they did stay fairly long. I'm still going to continue with it as i find it relaxing and I've always recovered well post-mc. I had it through my last two pregnancies, but it didn't prevent the mc's. I think maybe it helped keep my progesterone up as I never suffered any spotting in the two pgs I had it.
I took AC hoping it would shorten my cycles and it didnt really. I got pg on it and stopped taking it from bfp, but when that turned into mc#3 I didn't bother taking it anymore. My acupuncturist said epo helps with pms but not much else.

Morning all [yawny face]

Thank you so much for all the advice. I'm definately going to look into something that will relax me - even if it's just a massage. I'm sure all the work stress could delay ov (still got another 2 weeks off yet tho).

I'm still up early enough for the school run with DS so might start temping again too.

mummy do you think the mysoprostin (sp?) will have got rid of what lining was there. I had to take 2 doses when I was in hospital.

Hi mouse sorry it's still ongoing. I have acupuncture and really rate it. Doesnt hurt and is very relaxing and got my lp up from 7 days to a regular 10 (12 some months but 10 was the norm, which is great for me).

digi that appt sounds really positive, hopefully the metformin will help with the cycles and you'll start to get some answers from all the tests.

blackkat I also think exercise helps. I'm also convinced losing weight helped me get my bfp - and I only had a bmi of 25.something to start with but my acu reckons I've got symptoms of pcos (if maybe not the full syndrome) and I know losing weight tends to help then. Looking back, I had also lost weight before I conceived ds and dd so maybe there's something in it (not saying this applies to any of you though! You're probably all tiny anyway!!)

wiggle sorry you're feeling a bit lacklustre this cycle - I was exactly the same last cycle and decided to give myself a month off from monitor, temping etc and we only swi about half the usual times. It was lovely to have a month off the stress (and I ended up with a bfp anyway!)

jolls - hope ds is feeling better today x

Morning all.

Well still no Af but temp took a huge dive this morning so I am expecting it later on. I am a bit as we put somuch effort in this month and now I have to look at planning flights again for april to co-inside OV - this SWI is really expensive!

Dp is also :( - a girl where he works is around 11 weeks pregnant and is still smoking around 20 / 30 per day. She said to dp yesterday after having a fag - 'well if anything bad happens then it's just natures way of saying it wasn't right' to which DP replied - 'smoking is not nature' and walked away before he could say anything else. But as I said she will probably carry right through without any problems, and it is us poor sods that do everything right, take vitamins pay for acupuncture '/reflexology and end up having MCs. How is that fair?? - I don't by any means want anything awful to happen to her but you know what I mean :(

Rant over.

mouse I have acupuncure - not sure if it is helping but the lady is very reassuring so I am happy to go along with it for now. I also - if I can afford it have reflexology once a month. I find that more relaxing than anything else. Especially when she cocoons me in blankets and hot water bottles :)

wiggle - I am feeling a bit like you - I really can't be arsed but I will be heading over to the ryan air page after being on here to plan my SWI attack !

digi you appointment sounds really positive, and it has obviously done you good - you sound more up beat.

I can't name check anymore - computer is shit and really slow.

Have a good day all - am baking today :) - banoffee cheesecake anyone??

mouse Sorry to hear that it's not all over yet for you. Glad to hear that you've got some more time off work though, and are looking to use it to relax. That can only be a good thing. another thought, echoing blackat is that there's obviously a link with insulin resistance with PCOS, and something as simple as cutting down sugar can alleviate many symptoms. I say easy, I've tried to do it myself before and failed Just a thought.

digi so glad to hear your appointment went well and there's an action plan in place. Dr S sounds to be incredibly thorough and knowledgeable.

ma hope you're feeling ok today. As thought before the consensus seems to be that the drucks are ok. Have you got your lady back yet, or will she be away for a while?

battery sorry that your temps have dropped. It seems all the worse when you've made such an effort too. And a costly effort! at least DP will be here to spend the weekend cuddled up soon. I'm ver jealous of the baking, Banoffee Cheesecake sounds lush. I am feeling inspired to make some gingerbread men today with ds (in a ninja cutter style!)

izz how's it going? Feeling sick or anything yet? Only 2 weeks till school day..

wiggle I know exactly how you feel, sometimes it does seem like such an effort doesn't it?! I was like that this month, we'd had SFF a lot the week before, and put in quite a poor show around ov time Hang in there, perhaps the cp will make you more fertile this month?

Waves to tigger, bb, jolls, caribmoo, chloe, blackat, velvet and all

Thanks again ladies. I booked a reflexology appointment this morning! I'm going on tues for an initial consultation and session which will last about an hour so fingers crossed I like it!

xx

hello,

I am actually feel less nauseus today! (still on the meds)

battery at the smoker girl and her comments! I think your DP's comment was much more restrained that I would have managed. sorry about the temp dip

mouse hmmm, not sure. Those meds make your uterus contract, but dont do anything to change your hormonal balance, so if you have say lots of progesterone still at that point in your cycle, things might not come away until your body detects the drop in progesterone and your lining sheds. Bear in mind that you have your top layer of blood, which is that one that builds up and sheds every month, and then your base endometrium which can always regrow the new top layer as soon as it is stimulated to do so by your hormones (as long as it doesnt have scar tissue growing on it as mine did!) So if you took the two doses in hospital it should have made you bleed until the contractions stopped and then your body would have carried on doing what it normally does (building up new top layer if you are in the first part of your cycle, or getting ready to shed it if you are nearing the end) Did you take the medicine orally? I had it vaginally (7 times ) and it made me bleed but never completely emptied the uterus. I think the embryo was too large and had been in there too long for it to have worked on me.

babe Hiya, no still without a cleaner. House is minging and DS is bored to tears. I tried to cancel work this week but still have had lots of people turn up anyway (I teach english and do translations from home) so poor DS has been watching cartoons for a whole week! I think the cleaner may be off for another week, she is going to let me know on Monday.

yrmotb nope, no sick, no symptoms but did another cb digi today and it's gone from 1-2 to 2-3 weeks since last Friday so I'm assuming things are going as they should for now. Wow - another 2weeks to find out schools, ours last year was 1 march and that was long enough to wait. I have to say reading your message did bring it back to me how stressful it all was - fx you get what you want x

battery sorry about temp dive, even worse when you know you've done everything right. I'm going to keep hoping it's just a blip x

Re the smoking in pg (grrr ) a friend recently had to visit her dad in hospital, in the ward next to the delivery suite/maternity ward and said she was amazed at the number of women who were there to actually give birth outside smoking in between contractions!!!

mouse yay for booking the reflexology - hope you like it!