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Anyone else about to start IVF?

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gardenpixie · 04/03/2011 11:47

DH and I have our first IVF consultation in a couple of weeks and I just wondered if there was anyone out there who was in the same position?

We've had loads of tests done already so the Dr says we may well be able to start the treatment cycle sometime next month or early May.

We've been TTC #1 for 3yrs now and I am on cycle 5 of clomid so will continue with that until I start the IVF drugs. There are no obvious medical reasons why we haven't conceived naturally, just a case of unexplained infertility, I guess.

I know the odds of getting pg still aren't great but I am really excited about the fact that IVF even exists (isn't amazing what they can do?) and, although I am a bit apprehensive of everything it will involve, I am thrilled to be given the chance to see if it might work for us.

I would love to hear from anyone with any advice or who is in the same boat,

thanks for reading Grin

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womanlytales · 24/03/2011 06:19

Morning everyone, am doing much better and almost back to normal.

gardenpixie · 24/03/2011 08:44

Grin excellent news!

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girlwithacurl · 24/03/2011 11:28

Hi, can I join you lovely ladies.
I haven't started IVF yet, but will be in the summer (i have to wait for various reasons, the most imprtant being that DP is away until then, so I cant get at his sperm! Smile )

We have had our preliminary meeting with the clinic, where they explained the ins and outs. Its all a bit daunting though and I still haven't given up thinking that we might manage it "naturally". 3 and a half years, one tube down and 2 miscarriages tell me differently, but I can dream can't I?

Anyway, wishing you guys luck and I will be following your adventures so I know what to expect when my time finally comes!

gardenpixie · 24/03/2011 11:58

Hello girlwithacurl yes please do join us!

I think by the time I've had all the tests etc done it may well be early summer when we start IVF. I thought they would be OK with tests I had done privately last yr but my GP said the clinic will probably want to do their own tests as well.

How rude of your DP to have taken his sperm off with him until the summer Grin ! He couldn't email them over could he ...?

I am sorry to hear about your mcs. DH and I have been TTC for 3yrs but all we have had is a couple of possibly-BFPs-but-frankly-quite-half-hearted-ones that disappeard pretty quickly.

I know what you mean about still hoping it can happen naturally. Despite all the evidence to the contrary, I am still going a little loopy as I'm 7DPO and so obviously everything is a sign !

Smile
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womanlytales · 24/03/2011 15:19

Welcome girlwithacurl - - I agree with garden - it's good to have an overflowing cup of hope... I know I have mine.

girlwithacurl · 24/03/2011 16:39

thanks guys. I am currently 10DPO, and DP left about 4 days before ov, so its really unlikley... but still, like you garden everything is a sign, and I can still hope. Its pretty much all that keeps me going. Know I will be dissapointed when AF does arrive. But then I will start my variety of tests as well, so I will at least feel like I am doing something positive.

gardenpixie · 24/03/2011 17:20

Yes you're right, it does feel different once you've started tests as at least you feel like you're doing something.

Although swimmers can last for up to 5 days so fingers crossed for this cycle

Smile

Must be tough not to have your DP around for so long though. Plenty of symptom spotting madness and Brew for you here though Grin

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womanlytales · 25/03/2011 14:51

Happy Friday folks - Another day of sunshine.
I am having a really blue day - feel like ovulation didn't happen, sperms are all dead and have to needlessly wait till May to figure out the next course of action. Have already had too much of sugar..perhaps that's adding to my blues more than I'd care to admit. How can they claim these to be 'assisted' procedures when it doesn't work. I promise if I have a girl I will let her know from day 1 that there is no guarantee that she will be a mother I think the reason I am such a basket case about all this is because I just did not think I'd have issues that being a mother was a natural right...but it's not - it's totally up to nature and while some immediately get pregnant, others need a lot of assistance, and some do not ever become mothers. What the doctors do not tell you is that even if your tests and body responds to all this assited crap, there is still no guarantee you will be pregnant or deliver a healthy baby. Nobody knows and it aint over till its over -- but then when it is OVER and you are still child-free, then what does that tell you about yourself?
DH told his boss yesterday about our trials and his comment was he was aware of friends of his that are going through this - and what worked was - taking a break and not doing anything. I want to laugh. Do these wierdos actually think we have ANY sense of control when we're injecting ourselves for days on end -- or when we have strangers insert speculums and place sperm in our wombs????

Garden Are you going private for your IVF? I am seriously wondering if it might help to go private.. perhaps have more accountability on what's going on. I type this and am thinking am I mad - but really - are there advantages in going private... [Note: the real question is - can someone tell me that it's OK and that I will eventually get pregnant and have a healthy baby?]

gardenpixie · 26/03/2011 07:56

(((((hugs))))) to you womanly I am sorry you are feeling down about it. It can get really overwhelming can't it?

I so hear you about never expecting it to be problematic. I just expected to fall pg immediately ... and now we are 3yrs on with no baby. I would like to say though, don't take any notice of your DH's boss; that kind of comment is really unhelpful and clearly rubbish. It makes me Angry because it implies that we are scuppering ourselves by wanting it too much; I am sure people who wheel out that kind of shit are not trying to be mean but those comments are insensitive and frustrating.

So I had a thought about how to make things less confusing during the 2WW: I think you live in London, is that right? If you do, you can go in to a Medicentre and get a progesterone test on what you think is CD21. It costs a bit (I think it's around £90) but it would put your mind to rest as to whether the FSH and ovitrelle have done their job. Personally I am a little Hmm that you haven't been offered this on the NHS given that clomid didn't work for you. Or you can go and get an ovary scan done privately which will show if you have a corpus luteum - it costs c. £120 and is more invasive but you get the results straight away. You need to do that within a few days of suspected ovulation though.

I went private for all the tests leading to the PCO diagnosis and for my clomid prescriptions but we have funding through the NHS for IVF. We would really struggle to pay for more than one round privately and, if you pay for IVF treatment yourself, you then don't get any NHS funding in the future so we thought we'd best just grit our teeth and go the NHS route. To be honest, we are probably seeing a consultant 2 weeks later than we would have done if we had gone private so it's not too bad at all (DH gave up smoking the day we were referred to the consultant and we'd decided we wouldn't start any kind of IVF treatment until his swimmers had 3 months of non-smoking to get up to full strength).

The one thing I would say about going private is that you know exactly what is going on - while some of the testing might be superfluous, I prefer that to not knowing if I've ov'd or not as that makes the 2WW unbearable.

How many ronds of IUI will the NHS cover for you? Could you have an initial consultation about doing IUI privately? From memory, I think it costs c.£900 per cycle. IVF costs (hopefully you won't need to know these!) vary between c.£2,800 a cycle (going private in the NHS clinic at Guys & St Thomas') all the way up to £20,000 (Harley St clinic). Some private clinics do a deal where you sign up to 3 rounds and pay £6,000 - obviously they make money if it works first time but if you need 3 rounds, it's a good discount.

The bigger questions is: will it work? I would happily pay thousands of pounds if there was a guarantee at the end of it all but that's just not how it works is it?

One thing the NHS IVF consultant chap said at our information evening was that if you start assisted conception before you are 39, the stats show it is more a question of when you get pg rather than if. Having said that, there is still no guarantee of a healthy baby at the end of it all.

The IVF chap said that the idea that being positive helps your chances is also rubbish. He said it puts horrendous pressure on women to cover up their feelings and pretend they are confident about it all working when they are actually petrified. Apparently a study published in the BMJ recently showed that the woman's state of mind during assisted conception has no impact on her chances of conceiving through assisted methods ... oddly that was a real weight of my mind as I know that I don't have to beat myself up if I feel less than 100% confident.

His view was that persistence is what gets you there, not positivity.

Anyway, what a big old ramble, sorry! I guess the tricky thing is that none of us have any answers.

But I do have plenty of hugs and Brew for you whenever you need them Smile

Let me know if you want any more info on the private costs. Thinking of you lovely xxxxx

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CareBear1 · 26/03/2011 16:53

Hi all - womanly and garden, your last two posts really helped me. Its so reassuring to know that other people feel exactly the same way and its not just another part of me being a failure to also be finding this whole thing so difficult. Garden I really liked your stats about this working in the end through perseverance and not positivity. So hard to maintain all the time. Am going out to dinner with loads of people tonight I haven't seen in ages and am just steeling myself for the inevitable pregnancies. I find each one so hard I'm sad to admit. Had a letter today from guys and st thomas' to say our PCT has put funding on hold. We have to wait until 1st april to see if it will be continued. Another delay. Anyway, thinking of you in your 2ww's and fingers crossed for the cells to do the right thing! x x x

gardenpixie · 26/03/2011 17:08

Carebear sorry you are also awaiting IVF and that your funding is on hold Sad but pleased that you posted Smile . The funding issue must be so stressful, although at least it is on hold rather than cancelled so fingers crossed you'll get the green light as soon as April comes.

I know it's hard to keep pulling ourselves up by the bootstrings every time AF arrives or yet another person falls pg by accident but you are not a failure, none of us are, we're just trying our best with the bodies we've been given. Granted that right now, I'd happily trade in my less useful bits (appendix, spleen, one or other of my kidneys) for the ability to make a baby but, you know what I mean!

It is a hard old slog but we will get there! Maybe not as quickly as some people (and not as easily) but we will. When were you initially referred for IVF?

I really feel for you about tonight, I know what it's like when you have to deal with a mix of being happy for someone else's pregnancy while also being sad for your own lack of little person. Do come and rant on here though - I can share many stories of actually hiding from pg women I know Blush because I can't face them Blush !

Will be thinking of you tonight and fingers crossed for good news about funding in April Smile

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womanlytales · 26/03/2011 18:27

Big Hug garden - you are really a special pixie and your words just made my day. Yesterday was terrible (not to mention all the sugar I had..) coupled with guilt and the inadequacy of not being 'strong' or 'positive'... it was just hellish. I woke up this morning in the same mode.. terrified really of how blue I was feeling and that I could not just snap out of it.. but DH kinda confronted me first thing at breakfast..and we talked and reasoned and I explained my fears and hurts... And DH is often taking the positive side it quite annoys me and I told him that.. To which he backed up and agreed and then stopped being as positive... The moment he stopped trying to counter my position and some of his reasons for what we're going through -- it all came together and helped lift the blue shadow. I went out for my run..and running always dispels away my blues and gives me strength. I also ended up gardening - am a bit of a novice at it, but really enjoy the physical and spiritual side of it.. So that's been my morning and now reading your post really made me feel good.
If I know that I ovulated, I would feel wonderful because it's one more milestone crossed. So I will certainly try and do the Progesterone test on Weds - 7 days post my insemination.
Our consultant said that we're due for 3 rounds of IUI before he would consider IVF. I have been asked to test on April 08- that's day 30 of my cycle. My cycle length most recently was 35 so once again, I am not sure if the ovulation or lack of will impact my cycle length and reduce that to 28.. I also have a work trip to the US that I agonized over for Apr 10 - 16. If I stay put and am not pregnant, there is no guarantee they will just put me through to the next cycle -- but I've decided that I am kinda not going to put this trip on hold given that I just don't know what the next steps would be. So I am going to go ahead and come back and pick up where I have left off with the treatment.. LOVE the statement about perseverence and not positivity that counts :) thank you so much for sharing.
Carebear Fingers crossed for the funding decision in April. I sometimes wonder what I can do to be sensitive to those around me who are not mothers or not pregnant -- because so much of this is taken for granted... and yet, for those that by choice or not are child free - it must be really hard dealing with the majority who are always harping about nappies, school runs and the like. I know that we'll get there and when we do I hope we're a tad easier on those that aren't going down the same path we are.

gardenpixie · 26/03/2011 19:29

Hello Womanly glad you are feeling a bit better. Gardening does wonders doesn't it? My DH is a gardener (nothing to do with what I do for a living!) and one of the amazing things about him coming into my life has been my new found love for all things outdoors and horticultural. In fact 'gardenpixie' is his nick name for me because I spend so much time in our little garden.

Good for you for going ahead with the work trip. Let's hope you are pg by the time you go, but, if you're not, then it's doubly hard to miss out on something AND not be up the duff. If you are, you can always just use jet lag as an excuse to get loads of rest too so it'll be fine either way. I'll bet you have a great time too. A spot of shopping perhaps ...? Wink

I think, as with all these meds, their impact lasts into the next cycle so even if you take a month or so off, you could still ov without the meds (something to do with the progesterone levels getting really high post ov which balances all the other hormones so they pick up properly when ERTD starts). I know it works for me and clomid - even on my 'taking a break' months, I still ov'd bang on time.

Having a prog test on Wednesday does sound like a good idea; then you'll know for sure.

And then the 8th of April will only be just round the corner...

Big Saturday waves to everyone; I'm off to the sofa for a quick Wine ... the IVF consultant chap at our info evening said he doesn't recommend giving up completely until after the embryo transfer and I'm never one to ignore a Dr's advice Wink xx

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womanlytales · 28/03/2011 13:54

Hi, how is everyone doing today? It's a short post from me. 12 days till I test for pregnancy. But I've got myself a pass to Tate Modern, an Ayurvedic spa package for the 1st of April (got it from Groupon) .. My strategy is to count till 10 each time I fret about the bfp or not...and then quickly find myself something to do. And I am running as usual.

gardenpixie · 28/03/2011 14:19

hi womanly well done on distracting yourself! I am OK - got some spotting today though so doesn't look like it's worked this cycle. Not too Sad though as a) after three years, I am used to it and b) I know IVF is just around the corner c) it's our wedding anniversary tomorrow so I can indulge in Wine without worrying!

Hope everyone's well Grin

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womanlytales · 28/03/2011 16:49

but.. could it be implantation? How far are you?
Have a lovely wedding anniversary :)

gardenpixie · 28/03/2011 18:25

I am about 11 / 12 DPO so it's a little late for implantation and it usually happens about now (actually usually happens a bit earlier so maybe my egg this cycle was a good one!) and I get a really odd thing where my skins look really clear just before ERTD shows up and I definitely had the falling-hormone-glow this morning.

I'm actually OK about it ... especially after having bought myself some new shoes for tomorrow night! Grin

How are you doing? How's your garden?

xx

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womanlytales · 29/03/2011 07:29

Hugs garden. Love that you bought shoes for today.. happy anniversary.
Am doing ok. Eat and run. Eat and run, my life is quite comical. Lol

gardenpixie · 29/03/2011 11:51

Thank you! Very excited about it being our anniversary!

I know what you mean about the routine ... I am just off to use the cross trainer AGAIN! It will all be worth it in the end Grin

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luckbealady · 29/03/2011 17:18

Hi ladies, it's lovely to catch up on all your messages.

womanly sorry it's been a bit up and down for you lately, my fingers, toes and everything else are crossed for you. Glad your DH is being so supportive. garden happy anniversary! Loved your doctor's advice about fine wine, makes me feel less bad that I occasionally can't resist a glass! We've given up since Jan but oh I do miss a chilled glass of fine white wine when the sun is shining...

carebear I am thinking of you re: your funding and hope hope hope it will be fine. girlwithcurl lovely to meet you, it's great we're all on here!

Ladies, I need your help. My BMI is 29 and although I'm under the magic 30, our consultant said I should lose a bit more weight to be comfortably under. Plus, I'm bridesmaiding for a friend in May, and need an inch or so off to fit into the dress. But I can't seem to get motivated. I'm tired, so am comfort eating, all I fancy is carbs. I leave the house at quarter to 7 and get home at 7 so really don't feel like doing any exercise. I'm a lazy baggage anyway! I do walk from the train to and from work, but that's only 10 mins each way - and work is so crazy, I rarely get out at lunch. DH and I do go walking in the Dales but that's probably once a month, if we're lucky.

PLEASE motivate me! Either by being stern, giving me some tips or just waving a pic of Ewan MacGregor at me and promising me he will be mine if I lose a stone. Anything! Smile

gardenpixie · 29/03/2011 17:51

Hello Luck hmmmmm, look at this stare into his eyes and you will never fancy carbs again ....

Seriously though, that's a tough one. Personally, the GI diet really works for me as all other diets just leave me tired and fat rather than just fat. I put fruit, porridge and milk in a bowl before I go to bed (and cover it to stop our nosey cat getting her whiskers milky) and then wolf it before i go to work as I rarely have time to prepare things in the morning (also I find it hard to think / see / walk / use utensils until I've had at least two cups of tea).

The other thing that worked for me is to eat a LOT of nuts and fruit mid afternoon even if I'm not hungry - that means I don't come home craving pasta, potatoes, rice and bread all on the same plate!

And, if possible, I haul my backside round the local park at lunchtime ... although that doesn't always happen, especially if the weather sucks.

Well done for giving up on the booze - huge congrats!

Right, off to glam up for our anniversary meal ... which will totally not be GI Grin

Hope everyone's well

xxxxx Smile

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luckbealady · 29/03/2011 18:13

Thanks garden, you're right, I should aim for healthy eating rather than starvation and yoghurt. Will try some porridge tomorrow morning, especially as it's supposed to be very rainy bleurgh.

of course, what I REALLY want is a Biscuit!

xxx

gardenpixie · 29/03/2011 23:03

I hear you on the Biscuit ... the way I see it is, if i have porridge, and I'm still hungry, then I get to have a lovely hobnob and bottle of pinot

hic Blush

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womanlytales · 30/03/2011 15:33

luckbealady - love your name btw... Was drowning in work yesterday so didn't see the conversations. Weight loss planning is my middle name and rightly so given that it is so freaking hard for me to lose it!
80% of weight loss is down to what you eat (and what you do not) so it's OK if you are not super into exercise at this point.
Agree with garden on the effectiveness of the GI/GL diet.

Here are three things I suggest for you:

  • Porridge in the morning - Add some nuts/seeds if it helps. IE Get your boost of energy first thing in the morning and then reduce as the days progress.
  • Eight glasses of water (250ml = 1 glass) - I have a nifty app on my phone that reminds me to drink water..and I get to mark how many glasses I drink and when I hit eight, it applauds -- LOL. The lesson here for me has been much of time I am just thirsty and not hungry. Also water helps flush out excess hormones which is always good.
  • Six meals a day and as you get to the evening progressively reduce the amount of carbs. I actually do not have carbs for dinner as a rule. The idea here is to have SMALLER PORTIONS but more frequently to limit sugar spikes.

OH and at all cost avoid the easy sugars - White stuff, Yellow stuff and Brown stuff. Any more detail than that I could get really emotional ;)

luckbealady · 30/03/2011 15:53

womanly love the 6 meals idea! I have been slowly cutting down on carbs, but still find it very easy to relapse and have days where I seem to eat nothing but bread and pasta. But it should be fairly easy to avoid carbs at night, if I can be STRONG.

I want that app! But as I have to wait until June to upgrade to an iphone I'll have to be patient.

Am going to have a Wispa tonight because I've just got AF, but that' sthe only time I really crave choc, otherwise I can take it or leave it. My downfalls are cheese and crisps...so much so that I can't have them in the house.

BTW I get the Graze snack boxes, have you tried them? Ace for helping me to eat more seeds and nuts and dried fruit (as well as wasabi peas and other gorgeous stuff): www.graze.com Here's a code for a free box 29L3YWF but please don't feel you have to, I just wanted to share the love of getting tasty treats through my door every week!

I'd better do some work. Yawwwn.

xxx Biscuit Biscuit Biscuit

PS I was in Guys & Dolls at school...still one of my favourite musicals...hence the name!