The resurrection of the 6th form common room for those inbetweeners who are TTC/PG after mc and are too long in the tooth to fit anywhere else

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The resurrection of the 6th form common room, a place to put your feet up, wallow in self pity (me) or rejoice (and tremble in fright) at new growing beans and baybees after mc. No lists. No stats. No babydust. No feeling bad if you can't keep up.

Go.

Ne?!

just presumed you'd not had lunch and the OBSB was kickin' in...

Unfortunately not I'm at work

Ooh, tunnocks thanks for the lovely diffed chart! It's nice to see what one looks like. Despite my intentions to stop this temping lark, curiosity gets the better of me and I still do it because, on the rare chance that I do get updiffed, I would like to see what my chart looks like so I can frame the fecker.

Very reassuring to know that stress didn't get in the way of your bfp too. I think once you've experienced mc it's hard not to stress about ttc and the only way I could do it would be to get totally sh*tfaced during ov week but then that's probably counterproductive

wiggle i got totally shitfaced on ov week and got diffed with a still-drunk-in-the-morning shag :)

Hello [sulky emoticon] I tested today - BFN, and AF cramps :( had a bit of a wobble this morning. Spoke to DP about it and we have spent the afternoon jiggling shifts and flights to fall with OV in March :) so I feel better. I have never got pg with SWI afew days before SWI - I am one of these that need it on the actual day - so flights are booked, holiday is submitted - so I feel a bit better :)

wiggle - You must have read it wrong - I am a 28 day girl usually :)

And I am not going to temp this cycle either:)

{grin] at Jolls "I chart therefore I am" BB Jolls I never did chart either but I hear they look pretty

Waves to izzy yrmotb mummy wiggle battery and mouse and anyone else I missed

Evening ladies :)

Just popping in to say hello. I'm trying to choose what to do for a holiday in the summer at the moment.

After the latest mc I decided to go and get lots of brochures but can't settle on anything and resent paying a fortune for a week or so in Majorca just because I'm a teacher.

So, started looking at centre parcs...DH says no way (£900 for 4 nights in a shed...mutter mutter mutter)

Any advice? Cotswolds? Cornwall?

Anyway also wanted to say that I'm definately down to just brown goo now so am going to poas in the morning to see if it's negative yet. I can't wait to be pg again!

Had coffee with a friend today. Her GP told her not to take any ibroprofen/diclofenac as it inhibits ovulation and prevents implantation. Now, I know I can't take it after a BFP but I never knew all of that so that's another thing on my banned list.

My GP knows I'm ttc and that I take these pills so why not mention it?!!

Aaagghh!!!!!

OK, time for

Doom and gloom time for me again. I got a reply to my emails to the AS specialist and its not good news. He suspects that I still have scar tissue and is recommending I have a diagnostic hysteroscopy.

Sorry about your BFN battery.

oh mummyA I'm sorry :(

mummya - crap - so sorry :( - I saw on the other thread that he wants you to have a hysteroscopy - I am having mine next week and will be awake so can let you know how I get on and how 'uncomfortable it is(am sure you already know - not teaching you to suck eggs, just want to help :()

mouse I am from Devon so am biased but it is beautiful :) North or South is gorgeous - depending on what you like to do xx also my acupuncturist told me that nurofen can delay OV and that is the same sort of drug as bruffen and diclofenac.

Am surprisingly upbeat following my BFN. I have just re booked my flights to see DP in March - this baby making lark is very expensive!

However, I am very :( that I should have been going on mat leave in about 4 weeks, and 2 of my friends that are due at the same time will be starting their mat leave then :(

Just in from zumba - I have realised I have no rythym at all!

Battery I would have put money on a BFP going by your chart. How many DPO before you've got a positive before?

Mummy how has he reached that conclusion, by the thickness of the lining? Surely that your cycle is back on track is a good sign though?

Mouse there are some beautiful places in Scotland, we went to the Isle of Mull last year and I was blown away. Also Donegal in Ireland has the most stunning beaches I've ever seen. You're at the mercy of the weather though! Is your boss being any more understanding now? That was shocking the way she treated you after your recent MC.

Thanks for the tips ladies, I'll definately start googling those places!

My boss left me alone last week but has booked me in for an all day meeting the day after the cremation next week. Not sure what it's about but she's booked a day with each member of the slt so I'm hoping it's not another 'you're shit' chat. Thanks for asking caribou

mummy I'm so gutted for you. What has he seen to make him decide that?

battery I am famed for my poor co-ordination. Even going to zumba gives you brownie points

Big squeeze mummy

Another big squeeze here Mummy Your lining is almost as thick as he would like it to be though - is it the shortfall that makes him think this? I thought you'd been given the green light?

If this cycle results in a bfp and a bean implants would that mean that everything is working ok? You've had such a rough time of all this, I'm so so sorry xx (( ))

Thanks ladies

battery I would like to know how you get on with your hyst thanks.

caribou getawiggle mouse

The doctor in London (AS specialist with 8 years experience) didnt ask me to do any checks in order to know when to TTC. He just said I was good to go when I finished the hormone treatment, BUT that if I didnt get pregnant within 3 months to go back for more investigations (we are in month 2) The doc in the USA is the worlds best AS doctor ever who has successfully treated thousands of women. His criteria for when to TTC is based on passing three tests. I have passed two, clear HSG and mid cycle scan showing trilaminar pattern but failed the third, I should have a 7mm lining at least. Mine is 5.5mm which is very thin (normal people have over 11mm) I am also having very light periods, getting lighter each month.

He said:
I would recommend a diagnostic hysteroscopy on the outside chance that the HSG missed something OR that there is some damage to the basal layer of the endometrium. In order to detect the latter the hysteroscopy should be performed either at midcycle or after you have ingested 4 mg of oral micronized estradiol beginning on cycle day # 2 for approximately 2 weeks. The pattern of you endometrium is normal; however, it is thin despite having a large preovulatory follicle. That fact plus the lighter menses cause me to recommend that you have a diagnostic hysteroscopy.

I have already had a reply to my post on the AS message board from a woman who conceived her little boy with 5mm lining and a one day period, so I would love to believe I am still in with a chance, however Dr March is such an authority on this, I just cant imagine that his hunch would be wrong. I am still holding out a bit of hope that I will get a BFP this month but if I dont - after SWIing at absolutley the best times ever - its going to be really hard to ignore Dr March's advice. F knows how I will afford any more surgery if that becomes necessary though

oh, when will all this shit end?

getawiggle forgot to say, if I do get pregnant and I have scar tissue I am at very great risk or early or late stage miscarriage, placenta acreta, increta, percreta or previa, placental aburption and IUGR. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrggggggghhhh so sick of this crap news.

Promise to come back with a more positive mental attitude tomorrow. Thanks for the rant and wallow space. xxxxx

mummy I'm so sorry you've had more shitty news and I understand you feeling completely disheartened by it all, it's just one piece of doom and gloom after another, BUT, you HAVE to try and stay positive, focus on the fact that women DO get pregnant with a thin lining and DO go on to have successful pregnancies despite everything tipped in favour of it not being successful. You are a strong, determined woman and I have no doubt that it will happen for you. Please try and focus on the small glimmers of hope and not so much on the crap that you keep getting told (famous last words from the worlds worst pessimist). I know the specialist in the US is an expert but he COULD be wrong??!

I wish there was something I could do or say to help but there's nothing apart from being 'here' for you when you need a place to wallow (but wallowing isn't allowed for too long you hear!)

Hugs xxx

Whats the crack with the big white gap at top of thread??

Morning all!

(( mummya )) So sorry about your bad news, I echo what BB says but I wouldn't have said it so eloquently!!

Battery did AF turn up? Still have my fx for you!

IZZ Where are you lovely?

mouse have you sorted your hols yet? I'm I would love a holiday but can't see it happening this year

Well my instinct was right, I hadn't ovulated- Got results of Progesterone which was taken on cd23 and it was only 1,9 Never mind, its not unknown for me (as I have PCOS) so hopefully I will Ov late this cycle as opposed to not at all!

The only thing is Hospital told me I have to be certain that I am not pg or they can't do op and that's beginning of April- so I'm not sure when to stop!

Oh mummya So sorry to hear this. It's like a never-ending cycle of things to worry about for you isn't it. I see that you passed 2 of the 3 tests though. That's a positive isn't it? I don't really know what to say, but you know we're here to listen if you need us.

mouse It would seem that Ibuprofen can cause cycles to become anovulatory and/or reduce the chance of implantation when tested on rats and rabbits at high prolonged use. It is reversible by stopping taking them, and occasional use doesn't seem to be problematic. Ibuprofen can cause birth defects anyway, so is one to be avoided in the first trimester, so perhaps better to stick to paracetemol when TTC. Having said that I've taken Ibuprofen this cycle.

loola I guess that at least 2 wekks before the operation would let you know that, but I'd probably stop 3 weeks before the Op to be sure?

mummya I'm so sorry you didn't get the reassurance you need...I can only imagine how disheartening this must be for you. As bb said, do try to keep the positives in mind; it can happen. I'll be keeping my fx crossed for the biggest shiniest bfp for you this month so that you don't have to go through any more of this sh*t, and your chart is looking so hopeful, but if it doesn't happen this month then try to focus on the fact that you have a plan, and you are taking positive steps forward all the time. You don't deserve to be dealing with all this - I really really hope you have some good news soon. Big ((((hugs)))) xxx

personally I have been wallowing now for three days so about time I surfaced - I really need some better strategies for dealing with cd1 because tbh mine aren't working; it just feels like losing the baby all over again and it's getting harder and harder every month. I had a good talk with dh last night and he basically thinks we should get back to our former mindset of que sera sera, let nature take its course and if it happens, great, but if it doesn't, we're happy. And that was basically where I'd got to before I got pg last time, we had really given up on dc3 and I was kind of ok about it. Dh still feels the same, but for me, having been pg and carried dc3 for all those weeks and losing him has changed that, and - while I would love to recapture my laissez faire attitude, I just can't. Does that make sense?

Anyway my acupuncturist is away for most of this month, which I think coincides with a real need to step back from the technicalities of it all, so I'm doing no acu this cycle, no monitor, no temping. F*ck it, none of it's working anyway! I'm still going to try and do SMEP but only because I think it's quite comprehensive, but tbh it feels such a relief to get away from all the other trappings.

The other thing I'm considering for next cycle is getting some basic tests done privately. I rang the clinic yesterday and got the prices, buy dh isn't keen atm. I know we already have dcs so shouldn't in theory have major issues, but who knows what's changed with age, or dd's difficult birth, or the mc or the erpc? I just think it would be great to have a gadget-free month this cycle but know I had a plan ready for the next iykwim?

Anyway I've waffled on long enough - this is what happens when I take a day or two off!! I've been stalking all your charts (except loola's - I lost that one!) and it's looking good. Fx for some more bfps xx

mummya sorry the news isnt what you wanted. I too dont really know what to say but I am keeping my fx for you.

Izz sorry you are feeling down again. Doesnt the acu make you feel better anyway even if it's not helping with the ttc? Are the private tests expensive?

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izzy I know how you feel - next cycle I am not charting, not doing acuupuncure etc and just going to chill out. It is difficult that DP is abroard but I have jiggled some shifts and flights so we can be together for more than 2 days at a time over my OV!

Caribou - I know what you mean about my chart - I would have thought BFP too, but AF is still not here, no cramps etc so we will see, temp has droped but is still quite high for me.....

muumya hope you are doing ok lovely lady xx

Must dash xx