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The June Bus

582 replies

fatheadsgirl · 24/08/2010 13:31

FHG sits at back of bus and enjoys the rose she's been avoiding 'just incase'

Fatheadsgirl TTC#2 UCL35 Cycle 2 (post 3MC's) CD1

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goldmaple · 18/09/2010 05:40

I probably get the last brownie since I am honestly wondering if somehow AF was just an implantation bleed and I might actually be pregnant...:) it has been documented before!
and my lack of symptoms is due to... errr... I'll get back about that one.

Girlsworld · 18/09/2010 10:33

Hey, sack the reason, let's get a big plate of brownies and tuck in anyway!

Have never managed to make a decent brownie myself, they always come out dry and biscuity [muses]

Totallyfloaty35 · 18/09/2010 16:03

Im on my 2ww and i have NO symptoms at all Hmm i used to think i was having loads when i was first ttc but now i know my cycle so incredibly well,i know the same stuff happens every month.
Im getting quite down about it actually and starting to think it will never happen.Im over 40 now and my mum cheerfully informed me to keep an eye out for the hot flushes as " it starts early in our family".

fledtoscotland · 18/09/2010 16:08

The joys of symptom spotting! Am imaging morning nausea, heightened sense of smell, cravings for cola bottles (same as with ds1). The sixtyfour thousand dollar question will be answered nxt friday!

ravenlocks · 18/09/2010 18:46

Sat's stats.

Few ladies at the front of the bus now, fingers crossed for you!

Nicolaplus 1 TTC #2 CYCLE 4 UCL 28 CD30
Queenrollo TTC#2 UCL 35(ish)Cycle7 CD29
Baby2b TTC#1 Cycle 1 (post resolved ectopic) CD28
Fatheadsgirl TTC#2 UCL35 Cycle 2 (post 3MC's) CD25
KnitterNotTwitter TTC#2 cycle1 (post MC and ectopic) CD22
itsbeenawhile TTC#2 UCL28 Cycle 4 CD21
BrassicaBabe ttc#1 cycle 7 UCL 27 CD21
Fledtoscotland TTC#3 UCL 26-28 cycle3 CD21
NervousNelly TTC #1 UCL 28 Cycle 1 CD21
PixieOnaLeaf TTC#6 cycle 3 UCL 28 CD21
jigglebum TTC#2 UCL35 (but last one was 40) Cycle8 CD20
StarflowerGirl ttc#1 Cycle 3 (post MC) UCL 26-32 CD20
Rosieposey TTC#5 cycle 9 UCL 30 (ish) CD20
Totallyfloaty35 TTC*4 cycle 7 UCL26-28 CD20
Serendipity27 TTC #1 UCL 28 Cycle 2 CD20
Ravenlocks ttc#1 cycle 5 UCL28 CD19
CosmicClara ttc#1 UCL 27 cycle 22 CD18
Whywait TTC#1 UCL ? CYCLE 1 CD17
charlottesclan ttc #4 cycle 4 UCL 28-29 CD17
drdolly TTC#2 UCL25-30 Cycle 2 CD16
mrsden ttc #1 cycle 2 UCL 32ish CD16
Rosieroseanna TTC#1 UCL 26 cycle 3 CD16
Teds77 ttc#1 cycle 2 UCL 26-28 CD14
loueybtg TTC#3 UCL 23-24 cycle 7 (post MMC) CD13
8rubberduckies ttc#2 cycle6 UCL 28-44 CD13
FluffySparkles TTC#1 UCL35 Cycle 1 CD13
sillybillymummy ttc#3 cycle 5 UCL 28 CD13
Wombat33 TTC#1 Cycle 1 (post MC) UCL32 CD13
MrsP81 TTC#1 Cycle 5 UCL 30-35 CD12
BenignNeglect TTC#1 UCL 26 Cycle 4 CD11
mrswantstobeamum TTC#1 UCL 27 Cycle 1 CD10
HarderToKidnap TTC#1 UCL 28ish Cycle 2 CD8
BroughtHimRoundToTheIdea TTC#3 UCL28 cycle3 CD7
MoogHasNoBrain TTC#2 UCL 26-30 Cycle 7 CD7
OverThePond TTC #1 UCL 28-36 Cycle 6 CD6
Milanomum TTC#2 UCL 27-28 Cycle 6 CD6
Goldmaple TTC#1 Cycle2 UCL30 CD5
Girlsworld TTC#2 Cycle 1 UCL28 CD3

Lurking
PlumBumMum TTC #4 UCL ?? Cycle 1 CD ?

BFP's
suedehead 6th Sept
Lizzyy 9th Sept
GoodVibrations 14th Sept

sillybillymummy · 18/09/2010 19:59

Hey Ladies - sorry i haven't been around for a while, i have been very busy SWI -ing..(also my screen on laptop is broken)

feeling very horny horny horny in the few days, so hopefully this is 'the' month - you never know!
trying to be +ve, come on ladies!! theres alot of people SWI tonight! Wooo HOO!!!

GoodVibrations · 18/09/2010 20:13

Hello to all the lovely ladies on the June bus. Just popping in to see how you are all doing, and also to wish those at the front of the bus good luck!

There is a June 2011 thread started in ante-natal - hope to see you all over there very soon :)

8rubberduckies · 19/09/2010 12:52

Hello all, nothing to report here but thought I'd pop my head up and wish you all a Happy Sunday! Started a bit of half-hearted SWI this weekend, although it's a bit early in my cycle to be honest, but you never know, miracles may never cease and I may have a 28-dayer this cycle!

Good luck to all of those waiting to test soon, looking forward to some more good news... hopefully we can give the May Bus a run for it's money in the lucky stakes Smile.

ravenlocks you are a real swot managing to SWI twice a day, I envy you your energy and dedication, although I think that now you've had a glimpse of the pope you can rest on your laurels this month Grin.

8rubberduckies · 19/09/2010 12:55

DS1 is napping, DP is out watching the football, so thought I'd tackle the stats rather than the housework:

Nicolaplus 1 TTC #2 CYCLE 4 UCL 28 CD31
Queenrollo TTC#2 UCL 35(ish)Cycle7 CD30
Baby2b TTC#1 Cycle 1 (post resolved ectopic) CD29
Fatheadsgirl TTC#2 UCL35 Cycle 2 (post 3MC's) CD26
KnitterNotTwitter TTC#2 cycle1 (post MC and ectopic) CD23
itsbeenawhile TTC#2 UCL28 Cycle 4 CD22
BrassicaBabe ttc#1 cycle 7 UCL 27 CD22
Fledtoscotland TTC#3 UCL 26-28 cycle3 CD22
NervousNelly TTC #1 UCL 28 Cycle 1 CD22
PixieOnaLeaf TTC#6 cycle 3 UCL 28 CD22
jigglebum TTC#2 UCL35 (but last one was 40) Cycle8 CD21
StarflowerGirl ttc#1 Cycle 3 (post MC) UCL 26-32 CD21
Rosieposey TTC#5 cycle 9 UCL 30 (ish) CD21
Totallyfloaty35 TTC*4 cycle 7 UCL26-28 CD21
Serendipity27 TTC #1 UCL 28 Cycle 2 CD21
Ravenlocks ttc#1 cycle 5 UCL28 CD20
CosmicClara ttc#1 UCL 27 cycle 22 CD19
Whywait TTC#1 UCL ? CYCLE 1 CD18
charlottesclan ttc #4 cycle 4 UCL 28-29 CD18
drdolly TTC#2 UCL25-30 Cycle 2 CD17
mrsden ttc #1 cycle 2 UCL 32ish CD17
Rosieroseanna TTC#1 UCL 26 cycle 3 CD17
Teds77 ttc#1 cycle 2 UCL 26-28 CD15
loueybtg TTC#3 UCL 23-24 cycle 7 (post MMC) CD14
8rubberduckies ttc#2 cycle6 UCL 28-44 CD14
FluffySparkles TTC#1 UCL35 Cycle 1 CD14
sillybillymummy ttc#3 cycle 5 UCL 28 CD14
Wombat33 TTC#1 Cycle 1 (post MC) UCL32 CD14
MrsP81 TTC#1 Cycle 5 UCL 30-35 CD13
BenignNeglect TTC#1 UCL 26 Cycle 4 CD12
mrswantstobeamum TTC#1 UCL 27 Cycle 1 CD11
HarderToKidnap TTC#1 UCL 28ish Cycle 2 CD9
BroughtHimRoundToTheIdea TTC#3 UCL28 cycle3 CD8
MoogHasNoBrain TTC#2 UCL 26-30 Cycle 7 CD8
OverThePond TTC #1 UCL 28-36 Cycle 6 CD7
Milanomum TTC#2 UCL 27-28 Cycle 6 CD7
Goldmaple TTC#1 Cycle2 UCL30 CD6
Girlsworld TTC#2 Cycle 1 UCL28 CD4

Lurking
PlumBumMum TTC #4 UCL ?? Cycle 1 CD ?

BFP's
suedehead 6th Sept
Lizzyy 9th Sept
GoodVibrations 14th Sept

milanomum · 19/09/2010 13:42

Hello ladies,
I am not at all patiently waiting for my pre-seed package to arrive sometime before I ovulate... feckin' italian postal system grrrr!

Good luck to those at the top of the bus!

I live in the same country as the Pope - is that not enough God??!!

MrsP81 · 19/09/2010 14:59

Afternoon ladies

We have started SWI this weekend although like 8rubberduckies I think its a bit early in my cycle. A bit of practice can't hurt though. Wink

Its our first wedding anniversary next weekend and it is also my predicted ovulation date - I'm hoping this is a sign! Grin

Hope you're all having lovely weekends.

fatheadsgirl · 19/09/2010 15:18

Hello all. Sorry haven't been around, been busy busy with college and stuff.
Has everyone had a nice weekend?

I saw The Pope on the News, does that count????

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ravenlocks · 19/09/2010 16:48

OOh, I think that is a very positive sign MrsP, about your anniversary. Ha ha re the Pope - clutching at straws, much?!

So finished marathon 10 days of SWI. Didn't manage to do twice a day except on one day in the end - we just couldn't muster much enthusiasm. Used a whole tube of pre-seed, but coz we started early (or rather I ovulated late) some of it we used before the fertile window - ho hum.

Second day of rising temps in a row so I am now considering myself on the 2WW (or 2 week rest)! Grrr... a long cycle this month.

How are you guys doing Nicolaplus1 and Baby2b up there in the drivers seat?

kat2504 · 19/09/2010 17:22

Looking at the stats it seems that the bus conductor has chucked me off so I have added myself back on! On the 2ww now hoping to see some bfps on the bus in the next couple of days.

Nicolaplus 1 TTC #2 CYCLE 4 UCL 28 CD31
Queenrollo TTC#2 UCL 35(ish)Cycle7 CD30
Baby2b TTC#1 Cycle 1 (post resolved ectopic) CD29
Fatheadsgirl TTC#2 UCL35 Cycle 2 (post 3MC's) CD26
KnitterNotTwitter TTC#2 cycle1 (post MC and ectopic) CD23
itsbeenawhile TTC#2 UCL28 Cycle 4 CD22
BrassicaBabe ttc#1 cycle 7 UCL 27 CD22
Fledtoscotland TTC#3 UCL 26-28 cycle3 CD22
NervousNelly TTC #1 UCL 28 Cycle 1 CD22
PixieOnaLeaf TTC#6 cycle 3 UCL 28 CD22
jigglebum TTC#2 UCL35 (but last one was 40) Cycle8 CD21
StarflowerGirl ttc#1 Cycle 3 (post MC) UCL 26-32 CD21
Rosieposey TTC#5 cycle 9 UCL 30 (ish) CD21
Totallyfloaty35 TTC*4 cycle 7 UCL26-28 CD21
Serendipity27 TTC #1 UCL 28 Cycle 2 CD21
Ravenlocks ttc#1 cycle 5 UCL28 CD20
CosmicClara ttc#1 UCL 27 cycle 22 CD19
Whywait TTC#1 UCL ? CYCLE 1 CD18
charlottesclan ttc #4 cycle 4 UCL 28-29 CD18
drdolly TTC#2 UCL25-30 Cycle 2 CD17
mrsden ttc #1 cycle 2 UCL 32ish CD17
Rosieroseanna TTC#1 UCL 26 cycle 3 CD17
kat2504 ttc#1 Cycle 1 UCL 26 CD16
Teds77 ttc#1 cycle 2 UCL 26-28 CD15
loueybtg TTC#3 UCL 23-24 cycle 7 (post MMC) CD14
8rubberduckies ttc#2 cycle6 UCL 28-44 CD14
FluffySparkles TTC#1 UCL35 Cycle 1 CD14
sillybillymummy ttc#3 cycle 5 UCL 28 CD14
Wombat33 TTC#1 Cycle 1 (post MC) UCL32 CD14
MrsP81 TTC#1 Cycle 5 UCL 30-35 CD13
BenignNeglect TTC#1 UCL 26 Cycle 4 CD12
mrswantstobeamum TTC#1 UCL 27 Cycle 1 CD11
HarderToKidnap TTC#1 UCL 28ish Cycle 2 CD9
BroughtHimRoundToTheIdea TTC#3 UCL28 cycle3 CD8
MoogHasNoBrain TTC#2 UCL 26-30 Cycle 7 CD8
OverThePond TTC #1 UCL 28-36 Cycle 6 CD7
Milanomum TTC#2 UCL 27-28 Cycle 6 CD7
Goldmaple TTC#1 Cycle2 UCL30 CD6
Girlsworld TTC#2 Cycle 1 UCL28 CD4

Lurking
PlumBumMum TTC #4 UCL ?? Cycle 1 CD ?

BFP's
suedehead 6th Sept
Lizzyy 9th Sept
GoodVibrations 14th Sept

mrswantstobeamum · 20/09/2010 09:03

Morning ladies,

Thought I'd check in quickly before taking off for a two-week holiday with DH. I am hoping to ovulate during the next few days, so this may well turn into a 'conception-moon'! I can't be sure, though, as I didn't ovulate last month straight after coming off the pill. Wish me luck!

Today's stats:

Nicolaplus 1 TTC #2 CYCLE 4 UCL 28 CD32
Queenrollo TTC#2 UCL 35(ish)Cycle7 CD31
Baby2b TTC#1 Cycle 1 (post resolved ectopic) CD30
Fatheadsgirl TTC#2 UCL35 Cycle 2 (post 3MC's) CD27
KnitterNotTwitter TTC#2 cycle1 (post MC and ectopic) CD24
itsbeenawhile TTC#2 UCL28 Cycle 4 CD23
BrassicaBabe ttc#1 cycle 7 UCL 27 CD23
Fledtoscotland TTC#3 UCL 26-28 cycle3 CD23
NervousNelly TTC #1 UCL 28 Cycle 1 CD23
PixieOnaLeaf TTC#6 cycle 3 UCL 28 CD23
jigglebum TTC#2 UCL35 (but last one was 40) Cycle8 CD22
StarflowerGirl ttc#1 Cycle 3 (post MC) UCL 26-32 CD22
Rosieposey TTC#5 cycle 9 UCL 30 (ish) CD22
Totallyfloaty35 TTC*4 cycle 7 UCL26-28 CD22
Serendipity27 TTC #1 UCL 28 Cycle 2 CD22
Ravenlocks ttc#1 cycle 5 UCL28 CD21
CosmicClara ttc#1 UCL 27 cycle 22 CD20
Whywait TTC#1 UCL ? CYCLE 1 CD19
charlottesclan ttc #4 cycle 4 UCL 28-29 CD19
drdolly TTC#2 UCL25-30 Cycle 2 CD18
mrsden ttc #1 cycle 2 UCL 32ish CD18
Rosieroseanna TTC#1 UCL 26 cycle 3 CD18
kat2504 ttc#1 Cycle 1 UCL 26 CD17
Teds77 ttc#1 cycle 2 UCL 26-28 CD16
loueybtg TTC#3 UCL 23-24 cycle 7 (post MMC) CD15
8rubberduckies ttc#2 cycle6 UCL 28-44 CD15
FluffySparkles TTC#1 UCL35 Cycle 1 CD15
sillybillymummy ttc#3 cycle 5 UCL 28 CD15
Wombat33 TTC#1 Cycle 1 (post MC) UCL32 CD15
MrsP81 TTC#1 Cycle 5 UCL 30-35 CD14
BenignNeglect TTC#1 UCL 26 Cycle 4 CD13
mrswantstobeamum TTC#1 UCL 27 Cycle 1 CD12
HarderToKidnap TTC#1 UCL 28ish Cycle 2 CD10
BroughtHimRoundToTheIdea TTC#3 UCL28 cycle3 CD9
MoogHasNoBrain TTC#2 UCL 26-30 Cycle 7 CD9
OverThePond TTC #1 UCL 28-36 Cycle 6 CD8
Milanomum TTC#2 UCL 27-28 Cycle 6 CD8
Goldmaple TTC#1 Cycle2 UCL30 CD7
Girlsworld TTC#2 Cycle 1 UCL28 CD5

Lurking
PlumBumMum TTC #4 UCL ?? Cycle 1 CD ?

BFP's
suedehead 6th Sept
Lizzyy 9th Sept
GoodVibrations 14th Sept

jigglebum · 20/09/2010 09:19

Morning ladies. Hope you all had good weekends with plenty of SWIing! Very impressed with those of you who can manage every day or even twice a day for ten days! Think DH and I are maybe too old and known each other too long for that! Having a toddler definitely has an impact too.

Looks like I am in for another long cycle - CD22 and still no ovulation yet (but it was CD23 last month). Been SWIing this weekend anyway thanks to your advice! Though neither DH or I feeling that great so it was a bit of an effort, which is a bit sad really.

Hoping for BFPs from some of you at the front of the bus this week.

fatheadsgirl · 20/09/2010 10:04

Good Luck Mrswants and enjoy your holiday Smile

Since last night, whenever I cough or sneeze I get this horribly, painful, stabbing pain in my lower abdomen (honestly it feels like it's in my ovaries or something) anyone else had this before or am I taking symptom spotting to a whole new crazy level??Hmm

Probably gunna do some work on my Personal Statement today as I feel poo so don't fancy doing much.

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fatheadsgirl · 20/09/2010 10:08

Just realised I'm missing a day so have updated my stats.

Today's stats:

Nicolaplus 1 TTC #2 CYCLE 4 UCL 28 CD32
Queenrollo TTC#2 UCL 35(ish)Cycle7 CD31
Baby2b TTC#1 Cycle 1 (post resolved ectopic) CD30
Fatheadsgirl TTC#2 UCL35 Cycle 2 (post 3MC's) CD28
KnitterNotTwitter TTC#2 cycle1 (post MC and ectopic) CD24
itsbeenawhile TTC#2 UCL28 Cycle 4 CD23
BrassicaBabe ttc#1 cycle 7 UCL 27 CD23
Fledtoscotland TTC#3 UCL 26-28 cycle3 CD23
NervousNelly TTC #1 UCL 28 Cycle 1 CD23
PixieOnaLeaf TTC#6 cycle 3 UCL 28 CD23
jigglebum TTC#2 UCL35 (but last one was 40) Cycle8 CD22
StarflowerGirl ttc#1 Cycle 3 (post MC) UCL 26-32 CD22
Rosieposey TTC#5 cycle 9 UCL 30 (ish) CD22
Totallyfloaty35 TTC*4 cycle 7 UCL26-28 CD22
Serendipity27 TTC #1 UCL 28 Cycle 2 CD22
Ravenlocks ttc#1 cycle 5 UCL28 CD21
CosmicClara ttc#1 UCL 27 cycle 22 CD20
Whywait TTC#1 UCL ? CYCLE 1 CD19
charlottesclan ttc #4 cycle 4 UCL 28-29 CD19
drdolly TTC#2 UCL25-30 Cycle 2 CD18
mrsden ttc #1 cycle 2 UCL 32ish CD18
Rosieroseanna TTC#1 UCL 26 cycle 3 CD18
kat2504 ttc#1 Cycle 1 UCL 26 CD17
Teds77 ttc#1 cycle 2 UCL 26-28 CD16
loueybtg TTC#3 UCL 23-24 cycle 7 (post MMC) CD15
8rubberduckies ttc#2 cycle6 UCL 28-44 CD15
FluffySparkles TTC#1 UCL35 Cycle 1 CD15
sillybillymummy ttc#3 cycle 5 UCL 28 CD15
Wombat33 TTC#1 Cycle 1 (post MC) UCL32 CD15
MrsP81 TTC#1 Cycle 5 UCL 30-35 CD14
BenignNeglect TTC#1 UCL 26 Cycle 4 CD13
mrswantstobeamum TTC#1 UCL 27 Cycle 1 CD12
HarderToKidnap TTC#1 UCL 28ish Cycle 2 CD10
BroughtHimRoundToTheIdea TTC#3 UCL28 cycle3 CD9
MoogHasNoBrain TTC#2 UCL 26-30 Cycle 7 CD9
OverThePond TTC #1 UCL 28-36 Cycle 6 CD8
Milanomum TTC#2 UCL 27-28 Cycle 6 CD8
Goldmaple TTC#1 Cycle2 UCL30 CD7
Girlsworld TTC#2 Cycle 1 UCL28 CD5

Lurking
PlumBumMum TTC #4 UCL ?? Cycle 1 CD ?

BFP's
suedehead 6th Sept
Lizzyy 9th Sept
GoodVibrations 14th Sept

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queenrollo · 20/09/2010 11:08

hello all.

had a difficult weekend, and we came home early. That's our summer over now, it's been hectic, apart from the first two weekends in Sept we have been away or out every weekend since mid-May. Looking forward to hunkering down for the winter and a few weekends snuggling on the sofa.

No symptoms here, apart from crying at all sorts of silly things. I did that last time i was PG, but i do it in the build up to AF too!

I'm bound to get AF on Saturday as i'll be at a family wedding!

Totallyfloaty35 · 20/09/2010 12:35

Hi all,im so annoyed,been cramping and spotting since last night.Its a week early for AF so im not happy.I was really hoping that as DH was home this time and actually enthusiastic( ok maybe resigned is a better word Wink)
about it for a change it would get me somewhere.
I could cry....in fact i have done Sad

milanomum · 20/09/2010 14:49

Awww totally that's crap. Unless... dare I say it... could it be implantation??

I'm feeling enthusiastic because my pre-seed arrived today just in time for the beginning of the fertile week of craziness... shocked that you used yours all up ravenlocks that's quite an achievement :o I'm going to go sparingly and hope I don't need a whole tube before i see the effects!

StarflowerGirl · 20/09/2010 15:13

Hi everyone,

Sorry I've been invisible girl lately. Hubby and I both have some sort of horrible flu bug which has knocked us for six.

Totally I really hope it's implantation and not AF.

There's too many other posts for me to properly comment to everyone as it'd take and age so I'll just wish you all happy SWI-ing or 2WW-ing!

Serendipity27 · 20/09/2010 15:20

Afternoon Ladies

I think I am back on the crazy symptom spotting again.....feel like I'm coming down with something for the last 4 days but so far nothing. I'm very teary, really achy lower tummy and lower back, not to mention nausea..... I am also beyond knackered! Of course all of this could just be a virus or really bad PMT!!!!! Honestly I want to cry just writing this!!! I don't think I could face another month of this if I'm not PG this month.... All you others hanging in there I really think you are amazing!!!! Tell me how you cope and how you get through it please!!!! I am driving both myself and my DH mad. Bless him he is desperately trying not to get excited so he doesn't get my hopes up but at the same time he is getting all upset like me. If we were put on this world to procreate why can't it be so much easier??!!!! Seriously there is only a 20% chance every month assuming you have all your bits working properly. It's bloody madness!!!

Apologies for the rant I will go and get some chocolate and try and calm down. sob

ravenlocks · 20/09/2010 19:58

totally I think that could very well be implantation spotting you know. So don't cry, check it off as a sypmtom, and look out for some others....!

serendipity poor you all wound up! I find I cope (just) because I have to and I tell myself that falling to pieces isn't going to get me pg any faster, in fact the opposite it will only be detrimental. After AF arrives (and trust me I do kick off and have a good cry on CD1!) I work out a list of why another month gone is a good thing such as another month to save up, selling a property at the moment and more time to nest in new place, less fat when I move, maternity leave at better time of year etc. I also focus on what I can control such as what I can do to try even harder next time and make it a bit like a competition with myself (and I am quite a competitive person so that work well for me)!

8rubberduckies · 20/09/2010 21:37

Hi all, just checking in, I'm absolutely shattered (for all the wrong reasons Sad). Sorry to hear so many people are having a down couple of days, but totally that sounds like it could be implantation bleeding, fingers crossed for you.

I went to visit my friend today, whose 1st child is the same age as ds. She's just had a 3-week-old and I had a fab cuddle. It was a bit of a teary moment though watching ds holding her and giving her big kisses on her head Sad

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