Page 5 | Labour’s plans to build thousands of new homes

endofthelinefinally · 09/07/2024 08:49

Greenleavesinthesun · 08/07/2024 23:31

It should be law that everyone 350 houses that go up a new doctors surgery needs to be built too. Every 700 houses that go up a new school. We have lots of houses going up but no infrastructure!!

Where are you going to get the doctors and teachers from? I agree that they are needed, but currently we don't have them.

Coldia · 09/07/2024 08:51

Less than 6% of the UK is built on. It feels cramped and crowded because our dwellings are small.

Cattery · 09/07/2024 08:51

SnapdragonToadflax · 09/07/2024 08:49

Allowing huge housing developments with no infrastructure or social housing has been entirely down to the Tories, who made life easier for their house-building mates. Farmland has been being built on around us for the last 10 years. And they're shit quality houses. (And 40 years ago, where I live was farmland.)

Labour intend to ensure sufficient infrastructure is included in developments.

We need houses, so our kids have somewhere to live. Limiting immigration is not the solution, whatever Nasty Nigel tells you to think - we need immigration because we do not have enough people filling roles in essential industries.

Exactly

lollipoprainbow · 09/07/2024 08:53

@endofthelinefinally don't worry the people coming over on boats are all doctors and teachers didn't you know?

BloodyHellKenAgain · 09/07/2024 08:54

Nanalisa60 · 09/07/2024 04:51

There is a company called Mears they are working for the government they are renting all the flats in our city for immigrants all the landlords have released that this is a cash cow if you rented you flat or house for let’s say £1000 to a British family ,you can let it out to Mears for say £1500 a month for three years for immigrants so this is what’s happening so the rent are going through the roof. Greedy landlords are obviously going to Mears and saying you can have all my flats and Mears are paying stupid money for them. So I’m sorry just another example of if the immigrants weren’t here then the rents would be lower and we would not have to house them and there would be move accommodation for locals.

Obviously I don't agree with what is happening in this situation but I really think the 'greedy landlords' rhetoric doesn't help.

I'm not and never have been a landlord but the idea that someone wanting the highest return is being greedy is just ridiculous. Landlords are running a business not a charity. They have family to provide for and bills to pay and an old age to plan for too. Assuming their properties are well maintained why shouldn't they get the best price?

lollipoprainbow · 09/07/2024 08:55

itsalwaysthesame · 09/07/2024 08:47

8 million a day plus on hotels for immigrants is not a crisis?

I am in a green belt area and so far there have been 4 huge developments built, no new schools, doctors and 2 of our hotels are at capacity with immigrants who can't work and I work to pay tax to support it.

Absolutely it's a crisis. But people are too naive to see that. These houses are being built to house immigrants not for our children.

mybeesarealive · 09/07/2024 08:58

No. OP is flat out wrong. People need housing. Far too much of our housing stock is decrepit Victorian stock housing that is cold, damp, and contributing to CO2 emissions. We need modern homes in the right places, so people can live fulfilling lives. Planning is a horse shoe of politics, where short sighted green activists meet short sighted NIMBYs and align on a policy that is bad for everyone and bad for the planet. No new housing. Feeding energy consumption, poor health, anti social behaviour and child poverty. It's time for people to grow up and stop opposing the creation of opportunities for the next generation. Too many have already been stolen from this current generation.

SnapdragonToadflax · 09/07/2024 09:08

The decision to house immigrants in hotels rather than processing their claims is, again, entirely a Tory failing. The Tories have basically done nothing for years - no large-scale decisions, no planning, no care for the country. Everything is fucked because of them.

And desperate people coming off boats are a tiny, tiny fraction of the immigration to this country. They are not the enemy, you are being manipulated into thinking they are to make money for Nigel and his vile mates.

Teentaxidriver · 09/07/2024 09:11

dnac · 08/07/2024 22:57

Anyone else feeling dismayed at the plans announced today to build huge numbers of new homes on the “grey” belt? Why not just concrete over the UK? It’s not just the homes, it’s the infrastructure that will need to go with it that will almost certainly involve cutting down trees, spoiling natural habitats and losing more green space. Plus the boundary between grey and geeen belt will blur over time. Why can’t we put more effort into refurbishing existing properties (or just rebuilding on the same sites?). So much for refreshing, positive ideas from the new administration. Just more of the same ill thought out sound bites that make me despair for the future of the planet.

Wait till the onshore wind turbines, solar panel farms and pylons (5x more than built in last 30 years) start going up on farmland, in Areas of Outstanding Natural Beauty, etc.

HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 09/07/2024 09:13

In Poland they have prefab houses that are dead cheap to put up. Well
Made insulated etc

Why can't we use old car
Parks etc. Make them decent with parking. green plants and grass and add these prefabs for first time buyers.

We have aging population boom and many many houses will come on the market in the next 10/20 years as the boomers pass on. Sorry if this seems callous but it's a fact and not
Meant meanly.

That way first Timers have a home and isn't super expensive permanent bricks and Mortar, while we wait for stock to be freed up.

Teentaxidriver · 09/07/2024 09:14

SnapdragonToadflax · 09/07/2024 09:08

The decision to house immigrants in hotels rather than processing their claims is, again, entirely a Tory failing. The Tories have basically done nothing for years - no large-scale decisions, no planning, no care for the country. Everything is fucked because of them.

And desperate people coming off boats are a tiny, tiny fraction of the immigration to this country. They are not the enemy, you are being manipulated into thinking they are to make money for Nigel and his vile mates.

They are not the enemy but over time, the numbers mount and then one day (probably in both our lifetimes) the entire make up of our country changes to something different . A mish mash, not Christian, not recognisable as my home country.

SnapdragonToadflax · 09/07/2024 09:15

GreenTeaLikesMe · 09/07/2024 02:54

The UK needs to forget the idea of "green belt" and think "grey fingers" instead (or "transport corridors" if you want the more technical term).

Basically, the idea is, you create a rule that says "You can build housing fairly easily AS LONG AS IT IS WITHIN XX MINUTES WALK OF A RAILWAY STATION. (Anything else is hard to do)."

Hence, "grey fingers." Housing gets concentrated along railway lines, branching out from cities in a formation that looks like a hand with spread-out fingers.

This is roughly the way building is handled in a lot of other densely populated countries where public transport is an awful lot more functional than it is in the UK.

This way, you

a) make sure that housing is near public transport, which makes it far easier to keep tight controls on car use.
b) create an incentive for actually building public transport.

You can also create systems where companies building public transport can use land immediately around train stations to build shops and services, and profit from these. Again, it ensures that any new developments are public transport-oriented, and avoids these ridiculous housing estates stuck out in the middle of nowhere.

The UK is a densely populated country and needs to start acting like one. There needs to be proper action on requiring all new developments to be oriented around rail, and then cracking on and building proper (electrified) rail to make this possible.

It would also help to improve leasehold laws and liberalize the rules around apartment building to allow generously sized apartments with nice big balconies and shared green spaces, offering a great standard of living. The UK houses a very low % of its population in apartments and this needs to change. You are a densely populated country. Densely populated countries either need to accept taller buildings and more apartment living, OR your houses will increasingly resemble rabbit hutches with tiny weird gardens jammed in at peculiar angles and too small for children to usefully play in, and cars jammed into every inch of the development because there is no way to do anything whatsoever without using a car.

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Yes, I agree with this. My friend lives in outer Stockholm, in a beautiful flat. It wasn't expensive, it's just a regular flat that normal people live in - lots of working families in her building, a nursery school on the ground floor. They have spacious rooms, it's well maintained without extortionate fees, and there are green spaces and allotment areas between all the apartment buildings where they have community gardens and outdoor yoga sessions.

If there was strong control over the quality of new housing, and a guarantee that flats won't be shit-holes, people would be much happier to live in them. But instead Persimmon and Taylor Wimpey and Barrett etc are allowed to get away with building rabbit hutches with tiny, overlooked gardens, because they donate to the Tory party.

eggplant16 · 09/07/2024 09:15

StripedPiggy · 08/07/2024 23:14

There is no ‘housing crisis’.

There is an immigration crisis.

Not one bit true. But still handy to blame the brown people.

HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 09/07/2024 09:18

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Cattery · 09/07/2024 09:19

I can’t believe people saying there’s no housing crisis. Look around you. It’s not the fault of ‘immigrants’. We need a number of immigrants to fill the jobs. They come here to work, pay tax which funds pensions then return home after having been no drain on the nhs because they’re young

endofthelinefinally · 09/07/2024 09:23

Yes, I agree with this. My friend lives in outer Stockholm, in a beautiful flat. It wasn't expensive, it's just a regular flat that normal people live in - lots of working families in her building, a nursery school on the ground floor. They have spacious rooms, it's well maintained without extortionate fees, and there are green spaces and allotment areas between all the apartment buildings where they have community gardens and outdoor yoga sessions.

That is wonderful, but Sweden has a population density of 20.20 per square Km and UK has a population density of 701 per square Km. Taxes are a lot higher in Sweden so public services are better.

Iffx · 09/07/2024 09:27

parietal · 08/07/2024 23:37

I'm delighted by the idea of building more homes. The uk needs many more modern well insulated homes in the locations that people want to live in. And it is better for the environment to have people live near their work and commute less.

But people won’t be living near their work if the green belt/nearby is used for housing.

SnapdragonToadflax · 09/07/2024 09:27

Teentaxidriver · 09/07/2024 09:14

They are not the enemy but over time, the numbers mount and then one day (probably in both our lifetimes) the entire make up of our country changes to something different . A mish mash, not Christian, not recognisable as my home country.

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Most Western countries are the same. It's due to globalisation. The same ease of travel that allows you to go on holiday multiple times a year in a way that would have been unheard of for our grandparents, also allows people to move their lives and choose to live and work somewhere else.

We cannot go back to the 1950s. The world has changed, and regardless of whether you think that's a good thing, you cannot change it back. We are ALL a mish-mash, this is an island which has been invaded countless times. I've got all sorts in my DNA, and I'm sure you have too. I strongly suspect you mean people don't look how you want them to look, but I know you'll claim you haven't said anything racist so I'll ignore the dog whistle.

There is clearly an issue with extremist Muslim preachers and segregated communities in some areas. It needs addressing and this is, yet again, a Tory failing. You need good population management, grass-roots community work, building relationships with community leaders. This doesn't happen overnight, it takes years. But I lived in an area that was majority Muslim 20 years ago, and it was absolutely fine. I was definitely a minority but never felt threatened or concerned about it. We all just lived together. The problems we have now are due to the Tories doing fuck-all.

LakeTiticaca · 09/07/2024 09:29

In my town and probably most towns in the UK there are many office buildings that have been standing empty for years. I don't understand why these buildings can't be turned into flats which will go a long way to easing the homeless crisis

SnapdragonToadflax · 09/07/2024 09:32

endofthelinefinally · 09/07/2024 09:23

Yes, I agree with this. My friend lives in outer Stockholm, in a beautiful flat. It wasn't expensive, it's just a regular flat that normal people live in - lots of working families in her building, a nursery school on the ground floor. They have spacious rooms, it's well maintained without extortionate fees, and there are green spaces and allotment areas between all the apartment buildings where they have community gardens and outdoor yoga sessions.

That is wonderful, but Sweden has a population density of 20.20 per square Km and UK has a population density of 701 per square Km. Taxes are a lot higher in Sweden so public services are better.

Well we'd better raise taxes then, hadn't we. Endless Tory tax cuts have decimated public services.

And Sweden as a whole is not densely populated, but Stockholm is.

Turkeyhen · 09/07/2024 09:34

HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 09/07/2024 09:13

In Poland they have prefab houses that are dead cheap to put up. Well
Made insulated etc

Why can't we use old car
Parks etc. Make them decent with parking. green plants and grass and add these prefabs for first time buyers.

We have aging population boom and many many houses will come on the market in the next 10/20 years as the boomers pass on. Sorry if this seems callous but it's a fact and not
Meant meanly.

That way first Timers have a home and isn't super expensive permanent bricks and Mortar, while we wait for stock to be freed up.

This is such a good idea: prefab eco homes, quick and relatively cheap to build.

justasking111 · 09/07/2024 09:35

The Germans manufacture amazing prefabs that can be imported and erected very fast. One problem is that insurers and mortgage companies don't like them.

However, as social housing they would work well. We could manufacture and build them here if we had the will.

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calishire · 09/07/2024 09:37

Bibblebobblebibble · 09/07/2024 00:00

Apartment blocks suitable for families would be better than houses. Like the kind of high quality housing you have in Denmark where apartment blocks have good sized rooms and a lovely communal playground in the middle.

Yes, but will people want to live in them? It's not the social norm.

Flowers4me · 09/07/2024 09:37

Turkeyhen · 09/07/2024 09:34

This is such a good idea: prefab eco homes, quick and relatively cheap to build.

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Yes I agree. They used prefab housing to deal with the housing shortage after WW2; as a child I used to visit relatives living in one. People loved them and lived in them for years.

Teentaxidriver · 09/07/2024 09:39

SnapdragonToadflax · 09/07/2024 09:27

Most Western countries are the same. It's due to globalisation. The same ease of travel that allows you to go on holiday multiple times a year in a way that would have been unheard of for our grandparents, also allows people to move their lives and choose to live and work somewhere else.

We cannot go back to the 1950s. The world has changed, and regardless of whether you think that's a good thing, you cannot change it back. We are ALL a mish-mash, this is an island which has been invaded countless times. I've got all sorts in my DNA, and I'm sure you have too. I strongly suspect you mean people don't look how you want them to look, but I know you'll claim you haven't said anything racist so I'll ignore the dog whistle.

There is clearly an issue with extremist Muslim preachers and segregated communities in some areas. It needs addressing and this is, yet again, a Tory failing. You need good population management, grass-roots community work, building relationships with community leaders. This doesn't happen overnight, it takes years. But I lived in an area that was majority Muslim 20 years ago, and it was absolutely fine. I was definitely a minority but never felt threatened or concerned about it. We all just lived together. The problems we have now are due to the Tories doing fuck-all.

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My God, you are unbelievable with the thinly veiled insinuation of racism. Our country is changing radically and I am a racist because it concerns me and I see endless problems ahead. Wow. It is the same with Brexit. All leavers are thick, ill educated racists. No attempt to understand the motivations of millions of voters. I foresee an end to the NHS and the welfare state because they are incompatible with mass immigration. They will collapse under the weight of need. Is that better or am I still dog whistling? Oh and yes, Reform is going to grow and grow. Maybe you’d be better listening rather than insulting.