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'Simple' Father Christmas grottos - where have they gone?

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PlumpAndDeliciousFatcat · 06/12/2024 18:11

I have an autistic child who literally cannot cope with sustained excitement. He needs short, lovely experiences which he will then reflect on for months. His absolute ideal would be the sort of grotto experience I remember from my own childhood: briefly queue up in a department store, five minutes with FC to tell him if we've been good and what we would like for Christmas, and then off to do something else. £10 absolute max.

I don't know if it's my region but almost everything around here seems to be hours-long 'experiences' costing a minimum of £40 per child - making reindeer food / decorating cookies with Mrs Claus / meeting the reindeer / watching a show, and only then getting to see the big man, by which time my DC would be in a full overstimulated meltdown. Even the usually reliable places like John Lewis have realised that they have higher margins if they pack children in for breakfast or tea with Santa and they've all been booked solid since November.

The local shopping centre is pretty much the only place with simple grotto and they are solidly booked until Christmas. Meanwhile every children's farm we've ever visited has sent me an email with a discount offer for their 'experience' as they are clearly struggling to sell tickets. I am hopeful that the tide is turning and there might be a return to traditional, short grottos.

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Thingsthatgo · 06/12/2024 19:50

In my town all of the Christmas craft fairs have a grotto - you don't have to book, just pay a fiver, tell them how old the child is, so they can give you something appropriate, and off you go.

ImSue · 06/12/2024 19:57

Not sure how NW you are, but I've booked my ASD dc into a breakfast with Santa at a Stonegate pub, near Mcr, maybe there's a branch near you. We've been before, it's £10 per child for breakfast buffet, quick chat with FC and small token gift. The last time it was perfect for us - not too much interaction with FC or elves, no OTT lights, music etc. Agree, we've also done the farm stuff in the past and never again! I know exactly what you mean. So dear and just overkill.

yoshiblue · 06/12/2024 20:33

Have you tried National Trust places? We used to go to a very sedate one at Quarry Bank Mill. Lowry Outlet Mall could be another option (though really depends where you are!)

Ophy83 · 06/12/2024 20:34

We went to Smithills farm in Bolton last year. Santa was excellent. You also get to meet the baby animals in the barn. And their dairy shop is great, the ice cream in particular is wonderful (ferrero rocher ice cream!). The Santa visit cost about £7.50 I think.

Edited to add: the farm visit/baby animals isn't part of the santa experience. We had a time slot to see Santa but we were early so we wandered round the farm first then visited Santa in our time slot.

WhitegreeNcandle · 06/12/2024 20:41

Look up all the local church fairs. We had ours last weekend and were slated on the local Facebook page for being too simple, a book and a selection box not enough and not enough decorations!!!!

Calypsocuckoo · 06/12/2024 20:49

Are you anywhere near altrincham? If so, the Children’s adventure farm trust do some Christmas activities for children with additional needs and visits to Santa. These are free and there are staff in hand to help out with the children and they can go one at a time. They also do mini breaks and farm/ play breaks as well so if you are near by it would be worth contacting them.

https://caft.co.uk/about-us/what-we-do/

JollyHostess101 · 06/12/2024 22:43

ImSue · 06/12/2024 19:57

Not sure how NW you are, but I've booked my ASD dc into a breakfast with Santa at a Stonegate pub, near Mcr, maybe there's a branch near you. We've been before, it's £10 per child for breakfast buffet, quick chat with FC and small token gift. The last time it was perfect for us - not too much interaction with FC or elves, no OTT lights, music etc. Agree, we've also done the farm stuff in the past and never again! I know exactly what you mean. So dear and just overkill.

@PlumpAndDeliciousFatcat I was going to suggest a pub with breakfast with Santa my husband used to do it where he managed and it's really low key in and out with Santa and kids get a breakfast if that would work for you?

purpleme12 · 06/12/2024 22:51

Still quite a few simple grottos here

purpleme12 · 06/12/2024 22:53

WhitegreeNcandle · 06/12/2024 20:41

Look up all the local church fairs. We had ours last weekend and were slated on the local Facebook page for being too simple, a book and a selection box not enough and not enough decorations!!!!

😂 oh dear that made me laugh

You expect to have a 'simple' Santa at a church fair!

MumonabikeE5 · 06/12/2024 23:03

Father Christmas at the school or church fair?

SootysCaravan · 06/12/2024 23:34

Can recommend Lymefield Garden Centre in Broadbottom. £10 per child, 5 min individual ‘meet and greet’ and proceeds go to the wonderful Reuben’s Retreat Charity.
More of your standard ‘1990’s experience’

Minihero · 07/12/2024 09:12

We go to a simple one like you describe every year at our garden centre, but they sell out quickly - I think you've just left it too late, have a look in September next year.

Edingril · 07/12/2024 09:17

Does he actually want to go? I mean to any of them

ismu · 07/12/2024 09:22

So sad that you have to book just to see Santa. It's the absolute opposite of the true meaning of Christmas which is about simplicity and love.
These experiences generally have absolutely not taken nd into account although Christmas in general can stress the most extroverted well regulated people!!
Does your child understand that any grotto Santa is just pretending? I think that's really important to discuss. But especially if you can't get "booked" when children believe that Santa rewards them for being "good". It's sending a terrible message and might lead to children blaming themselves.

RaspberryBeretxx · 07/12/2024 09:27

I totally agree. I have a 3 yo and don’t want to pay £50 (including tickets for me and her dad) for her to get a bit overwhelmed and not especially enjoy it. I just want her to see Father Christmas, maybe engage a bit!

I’ve had some luck with a secondary school Christmas fayre next week that sounds very simple, £2 entry, santas grotto and kids craft corner. So it might be worth checking charity type events. Even our small local garden centres do “breakfast with Santa” or similar at £20 for the child and £15 for adults.

PlumpAndDeliciousFatcat · 07/12/2024 09:39

Minihero · 07/12/2024 09:12

We go to a simple one like you describe every year at our garden centre, but they sell out quickly - I think you've just left it too late, have a look in September next year.

I know you mean this helpfully but that is absolutely ridiculous and exactly what I am talking about. It should not be necessary to book in September to take a child for a ten-minute visit to a grotto.

As a wider point, if the simpler grottos are all fully booked before Hallowe’en while the big ‘experiences’ are struggling to fill places then that is a very clear sign from the market that organisers are offering the wrong thing.

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PlumpAndDeliciousFatcat · 07/12/2024 09:41

Thanks for all your kind suggestions. I have found something suitable for tomorrow.

I suppose I am feeling nostalgic for the experiences of my childhood, when my parents would just decide to take us and we’d queue up for a bit in George Henry Lee. I love Christmas but I think a lot of us would prefer things to be a bit more pared-back, SEND or not.

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mumtotwo11 · 07/12/2024 09:47

National trust are a good option - we went with my DD and DS (who have SEN) when they were younger and they were lovely and relaxed and quiet. you can usually tell the "elf" that you child has needs too and they'll adapt x

Some pubs near us are doing breakfast with Santa too.

hope you find something x

mumtotwo11 · 07/12/2024 09:49

sorry missed your last post - glad you found something.

I totally agree, it's ridiculous these days - the cost especially. Have you thought about a light trail? my DD (SEN) loves those. xx

JingleB · 07/12/2024 09:50

IKEA does a “breakfast with Santa” thing in December across several dates.
The nearest to me is sold out, but you might have better luck.

FancyAReallyLongUsernameJustForAChange · 07/12/2024 09:50

PlumpAndDeliciousFatcat · 07/12/2024 09:41

Thanks for all your kind suggestions. I have found something suitable for tomorrow.

I suppose I am feeling nostalgic for the experiences of my childhood, when my parents would just decide to take us and we’d queue up for a bit in George Henry Lee. I love Christmas but I think a lot of us would prefer things to be a bit more pared-back, SEND or not.

I'm glad you've found something - I hope you and your DC have a wonderful day tomorrow.

I completely agree about things being over-complicated nowadays - not just Christmas events but other attractions either mandating pre-booking or charging an extra 25% on the ticket price if you have the audacity to try turning up on the day, and as you say, it's a pain in the neck for everyone.

Blondeshavemorefun · 07/12/2024 09:53

School Xmas fairs

Local schools near you

Or ask on your local Fb page of a simple Santa

Blondeshavemorefun · 07/12/2024 09:57

Crossed posts

Glad you found somewhere

Sadcafe · 07/12/2024 09:57

Mixture of types up here, lots of the “experience” ones but also quite a number which are relatively quick and cheap, out tesco store did a great one last year which was free and gave the kids a pretty good gift, sadly not repeated it this year

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