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What do you put in 1st December boxes vs Christmas Eve boxes?

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ChristmasIsComing2023 · 03/10/2023 21:35

What do you put in 1st December boxes vs Christmas Eve boxes??

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HannahDefoesTrenchcoat · 13/10/2023 00:09

December 1st obviously. December 2st only happens in North Pole where the Elves need double days to wrap all the presents 🎁 😂

UndertheCedartree · 13/10/2023 00:22

HannahDefoesTrenchcoat · 13/10/2023 00:06

I once caused much tutting on a thread just like this when I said I bought my kids Christmas shaped pasta for December 2st with advent calanders and Christmas craft or card kits.

They've all grown up to be productive members of society even withe the extreme indulgence of seasonal pasta shapes and chocolate stirrers on Christmas Eve.
Enjoy your Chritmas and birthdays however you like them. They'll soon be big 🤶🤶🧑‍🎄🤶🤶

I think we need some kind of support thread for those of us who have been 'tutted at' over our innocuous Christmas traditions! This thread has certainly triggered me! 😂

MamaDollyorJesus · 13/10/2023 07:33

@UndertheCedartree just ignore them.

I do December 1st box for DGS (DC still get Christmas Eve box - even DD1, mother of DGS).

He gets new Christmas pjs, a Christmas t-shirt/jumper, tree ornament, book, a sweet treat & a couple of other bits - this year he has bath snow & a snowman sponge.

I also do his reindeer food & cookie for Santa for Christmas Eve, this year he'll get hot chocolate now that he's old enough & DD has asked if I can make these for the kids in her street like I used to do for our street when DC were little.

I love Christmas though & will happily spend the weekend before baking cookies, making up my hot choc mix & the reindeer food.

ShowOfHands · 13/10/2023 18:43

Please do come and direct your ire at me, you tutting tutters. Then you can leave the people you know nothing about alone. Tough though it may be, even if you haven't bothered finding out what they actually do at Christmas, even if they're actually spending less than you and have a smaller carbon footprint, even if you feel very, very pleased with yourself about having told off complete strangers for something you perceive them to have done without a shred of evidence, hush. Come here. I'm going to frighten your little judgy minds.

I have THREE December 1st boxes. Count them. You'll need your judgy, pointy fingers to waggle, both of them and then the metaphorical stick you're using to beat people with to add to the judgy fingers. Now, count them. One. Two. Three!

Would you like to hear about them? There used to be one. It contained a couple of - now very old - Christmas books signed by my Victorian granny and my copy of The Night Before Christmas from 1981. It also has a blanket in it that has been crocheted by 5 generations of my family and we are still adding to it as the family expands. It comes out for the coldest month but somehow, somewhere along the line it started appearing on December 1st. Probably because my favourite thing about Christmas as a season is the bringing in of light and warmth and it seems to represent that quite well. There are mugs in there as well. A couple from the seventies bought by parents on their first Christmas as a married pair and then some that have huge amount of sentiment attached to them. There are some Victorian decorations (again belonging to my Granny once upon a time) along with the tissue they've been wrapped in for over 100yrs. There are letters in there from "Father Christmas", telling the DC about the year gone by and the things they have achieved. We re-read them on the day school breaks up and reminisce. A new one appears each year, even though they've long since stopped believing.

There are three boxes now because I collect vintage Christmas books. I have dozens of them. The boxes are wicker and those books are my pride and joy. We read them together, some of them are novels and we help ourselves to them and read alone from Dec 1st to Jan 6th and enjoy them like the old friends they are. The baskets are lined with a patchwork velvet I made years ago and they are part of my decorations. They sit by the fire, open, for people to help themselves. There are a couple of jigsaw puzzles in there as well and handwritten recipes I've collected over the years. I add new stuff to it as well: an advent candle; a card/paper advent calendar; sometimes tickets to a festive show or panto coming up in December.

I know what you'll say. Well we don't mean that sort of stuff. We mean rampant consumerism and pressure on families and grabby mcgrabby behaviours. The thing is, the smug, arms folded "well I don't do that grabby shit because I'm not a consumerist twat" started without even a hint or a sniff of what people actually do on December 1st. And largely, isn't in pyjamas, books and bedding that comes out year after year? With an advent calendar added on top? And was there evidence that those people who have a 2013 duvet they've used every year for 5 weeks are spending more than people who don't have a Dec 1st box but have been on 3 foreign holidays this year and spent 6 times as much on presents for the actual day?

Look, I hate the way some things are going. The planet is burning. Shops are raking in profits and selling so much stuff we don't need. It's abysmal. I get it. I'm on board. But that isn't necessarily what is happening here. And even if it is - and I acknowledge that yes of course there must be people out there pushed into buying stuff we don't need and it is a waste of resources - but is this really how we challenge it? In a divided world where we need to instil communication and care, is alienating people the answer? Why not ask what people do on Dec 1st and actually, listen. I'm willing to bet the bottom line is trying to bring joy at the darkest time of year. Maybe we could talk about how we do that and share ideas that are about tradition and family and the real stuff that we need as a society. Maybe we could recommend the books we like to share in December and the recipes we use and the activities which make us smile and laugh most and that can be the conversation rather than spitting hate and wilful misunderstandings.

And I know I sound a sanctimonious twat. I'm ill and tired and deal with adolescents all day who are increasingly angry at the world. I clicked on this whilst feeling a bit miserable and a lot sentimental. But do we really need to be rude to swathes of people without listening to them first?

UndertheCedartree · 13/10/2023 20:43

ShowOfHands · 13/10/2023 18:43

Please do come and direct your ire at me, you tutting tutters. Then you can leave the people you know nothing about alone. Tough though it may be, even if you haven't bothered finding out what they actually do at Christmas, even if they're actually spending less than you and have a smaller carbon footprint, even if you feel very, very pleased with yourself about having told off complete strangers for something you perceive them to have done without a shred of evidence, hush. Come here. I'm going to frighten your little judgy minds.

I have THREE December 1st boxes. Count them. You'll need your judgy, pointy fingers to waggle, both of them and then the metaphorical stick you're using to beat people with to add to the judgy fingers. Now, count them. One. Two. Three!

Would you like to hear about them? There used to be one. It contained a couple of - now very old - Christmas books signed by my Victorian granny and my copy of The Night Before Christmas from 1981. It also has a blanket in it that has been crocheted by 5 generations of my family and we are still adding to it as the family expands. It comes out for the coldest month but somehow, somewhere along the line it started appearing on December 1st. Probably because my favourite thing about Christmas as a season is the bringing in of light and warmth and it seems to represent that quite well. There are mugs in there as well. A couple from the seventies bought by parents on their first Christmas as a married pair and then some that have huge amount of sentiment attached to them. There are some Victorian decorations (again belonging to my Granny once upon a time) along with the tissue they've been wrapped in for over 100yrs. There are letters in there from "Father Christmas", telling the DC about the year gone by and the things they have achieved. We re-read them on the day school breaks up and reminisce. A new one appears each year, even though they've long since stopped believing.

There are three boxes now because I collect vintage Christmas books. I have dozens of them. The boxes are wicker and those books are my pride and joy. We read them together, some of them are novels and we help ourselves to them and read alone from Dec 1st to Jan 6th and enjoy them like the old friends they are. The baskets are lined with a patchwork velvet I made years ago and they are part of my decorations. They sit by the fire, open, for people to help themselves. There are a couple of jigsaw puzzles in there as well and handwritten recipes I've collected over the years. I add new stuff to it as well: an advent candle; a card/paper advent calendar; sometimes tickets to a festive show or panto coming up in December.

I know what you'll say. Well we don't mean that sort of stuff. We mean rampant consumerism and pressure on families and grabby mcgrabby behaviours. The thing is, the smug, arms folded "well I don't do that grabby shit because I'm not a consumerist twat" started without even a hint or a sniff of what people actually do on December 1st. And largely, isn't in pyjamas, books and bedding that comes out year after year? With an advent calendar added on top? And was there evidence that those people who have a 2013 duvet they've used every year for 5 weeks are spending more than people who don't have a Dec 1st box but have been on 3 foreign holidays this year and spent 6 times as much on presents for the actual day?

Look, I hate the way some things are going. The planet is burning. Shops are raking in profits and selling so much stuff we don't need. It's abysmal. I get it. I'm on board. But that isn't necessarily what is happening here. And even if it is - and I acknowledge that yes of course there must be people out there pushed into buying stuff we don't need and it is a waste of resources - but is this really how we challenge it? In a divided world where we need to instil communication and care, is alienating people the answer? Why not ask what people do on Dec 1st and actually, listen. I'm willing to bet the bottom line is trying to bring joy at the darkest time of year. Maybe we could talk about how we do that and share ideas that are about tradition and family and the real stuff that we need as a society. Maybe we could recommend the books we like to share in December and the recipes we use and the activities which make us smile and laugh most and that can be the conversation rather than spitting hate and wilful misunderstandings.

And I know I sound a sanctimonious twat. I'm ill and tired and deal with adolescents all day who are increasingly angry at the world. I clicked on this whilst feeling a bit miserable and a lot sentimental. But do we really need to be rude to swathes of people without listening to them first?

I love your post, it is so eloquent. It made me cry, actually. Because some years ago I had a mental breakdown and I was sectioned in a psychiatric hospital. I was spending my time planning the best Christmas ever for my DC. For some time I'd been doing a Christmas breakfast for them on the 1st December. I'm a nurse and always worked over Christmas, but this was a guaranteed morning I'd have with them. I posted on here asking if anyone else did a breakfast on the 1st, just looking for some fun ideas to try. And there was so many mean replies. As you say, they didn't listen, they just judged. One poster branded it 'plastic tat mentality' despite me telling them it was just food and Christmas plates and cups that I re-used. It certainly didn't help my state of mind. But then, other posters came on and started sticking up for me and many said they thought it was a great idea and they would start having 'plastic tat mentality' breakfasts in solidarity! It was one of the worst and then best thing that has ever happened to me on MN!

Meowandthen · 13/10/2023 21:01

What a daft idea. As if enough money isn’t spent on crap in December.

Needmorelego · 13/10/2023 21:18

@Meowandthen did you not even bother to read @ShowOfHands 's post?
Because if you did it makes you look a right cow.
Best tip about Christmas - if you are buying "crap" then that's your own fault.

UndertheCedartree · 13/10/2023 21:22

Meowandthen · 13/10/2023 21:01

What a daft idea. As if enough money isn’t spent on crap in December.

I think the phrase 'speak for yourself' is very apt. And also RTFT!!

ShowOfHands · 13/10/2023 21:31

UndertheCedartree · 13/10/2023 20:43

I love your post, it is so eloquent. It made me cry, actually. Because some years ago I had a mental breakdown and I was sectioned in a psychiatric hospital. I was spending my time planning the best Christmas ever for my DC. For some time I'd been doing a Christmas breakfast for them on the 1st December. I'm a nurse and always worked over Christmas, but this was a guaranteed morning I'd have with them. I posted on here asking if anyone else did a breakfast on the 1st, just looking for some fun ideas to try. And there was so many mean replies. As you say, they didn't listen, they just judged. One poster branded it 'plastic tat mentality' despite me telling them it was just food and Christmas plates and cups that I re-used. It certainly didn't help my state of mind. But then, other posters came on and started sticking up for me and many said they thought it was a great idea and they would start having 'plastic tat mentality' breakfasts in solidarity! It was one of the worst and then best thing that has ever happened to me on MN!

I really hope that you've had some wonderful Christmases with your children. I'm glad you shared your story; it is brave and honest. I remember your thread about breakfast on December 1st. My DH is a police officer and we've only ever had one Christmas Day together. He's even been deployed abroad over the whole season. I also have family and friends I can't see around the actual day and actually, spending time and care on them during the season does nothing to dilute the joy, it simply magnifies it.

The rampant dismissal of how other people do Christmas is part of the MN festive tradition at this point. It's like the beginning of a Scrooge narrative and I like to think that the Ghost of Online Parenting Forums will weave enough festive magic to melt the collective ire.

nettie434 · 13/10/2023 21:40

What a lovely post @ShowOfHands. How nice it must be to take out a Chtistmas book and read it under the crocheted blanket with a mug of hot chocolate.

@UndertheCedartree - that's a lovely post too. I've got Christmas china and there is something so nice about swopping it over on 1st December.

YoongiMarryMe · 14/10/2023 00:29

I was reading the whole thread and kept hoping for a Showy post. You always post so eloquently while also giving the rude people a poke in the eye for their cheek. Grin

Meowandthen · 14/10/2023 21:07

Needmorelego · 13/10/2023 21:18

@Meowandthen did you not even bother to read @ShowOfHands 's post?
Because if you did it makes you look a right cow.
Best tip about Christmas - if you are buying "crap" then that's your own fault.

No I didn’t RTFT as it’s a daft idea. Maybe you need to realise that people are permitted to have views that differ from yours. Such aggression from you too. 🙄

Backagain23 · 14/10/2023 21:30

Meowandthen · 14/10/2023 21:07

No I didn’t RTFT as it’s a daft idea. Maybe you need to realise that people are permitted to have views that differ from yours. Such aggression from you too. 🙄

You are allowed your own opinion.
You aren't allowed your own facts.
You come across as very grumpy and ignorant.
Hope you're ok.

Needmorelego · 14/10/2023 21:32

@Meowandthen yes but by not reading the thread you are missing the point about what some people consider a "December 1st Box" to be.
It's pretty much just getting out the Christmas supplies. If you celebrate Christmas then I assume you have a selection of decorations etc that are reused every year - and they most likely live in a box.
A "December 1st Box" is getting out that box.
Why is that daft?

MsSquiz · 15/10/2023 08:56

We have a December 1st box and it has:
Christmas books that come out every year (plus any new additions of colour books or little Christmassy crafts)
Our 2 Elves
The kids felt Christmas tree that goes in their playroom
A new pair of christmassy pjs each
Advent calendar each

We don't do a Christmas Eve box, but when the Elves leave on Christmas Eve, they do leave some chocolate coins and a note from Santa confirming they're on the nice list.

DD1's birthday is 18th December, so that why I went with a December 1st box instead.
As our girls out grow some of the books, we'll donate them to charity and they wear their Christmas pjs all year room (or as long as they fit)

Backagain23 · 15/10/2023 09:28

Another expensive consumerist crap driven environmental disaster!
Send them to bed naked!
Jesus didn't have a colouring book so nor should your kids!
Old books every year? Shame!
🙄

ChristmasCrumpet · 15/10/2023 11:37

Greenshake · 04/10/2023 01:02

This is a blatant waste of money that will pile even more pressure onto already stretched parents. Where does this end? It’s bad enough that Halloween is now some massive extravaganza.

It's actually not, depending on how you do it.

We have 1st Dec sacks. In them, we have (all 5 of us) our advent calendars, our Christmas PJs (so we wear them the whole of December) our Christmas jumpers (same ones past two years for us and eldest child, DTwins will need new ones) and any other Christmas bits we use for the whole month. So it's not buying anything other than advents which we'd buy anyway, it's presenting everything together in reusable sacks we've had for years, to mark the start of the festive season all together.

Christmas Eve is one box for the whole family. In it, will be our stockings to hang up for St Nick, I participate in a global Christmas card exchange and I put these cards in the box as they arrive throughout December so we then open all of the international cards together. All of the previous years, DC get an old fashioned wind up toy in their stocking and after Christmas, these all go in the C. Eve box for the next year(s) and we wind them all up and eldest DS loves this, even at 15 now. Then it has the Robert Sabuda version of Night Before Christmas, which we all read together.

So no wastes of money in there either. I hate over commercialisation. But ours is all family tradition, and the only new things are advents.

ChristmasCrumpet · 15/10/2023 12:15

@ShowOfHands that's a really lovely post, I love the idea of the decorations in hundred year old paper!

@UndertheCedartree I remember that thread, only because you bring it up on the Christmas boards each year Grin I have to say, my recollection wasn't you re-using items you already had, and more quite a lot of small landfill type things you were planning. I thought whoever called it plastic tat mentality was rather blunt, but did kinda see the point they were making. Good to hear your MH is better now.

@Meowandthen I think your perception of "daft crap" is based on perhaps what you see advertised on FB as Christmas Eve/Dec 1st boxes, and thinking that's what this thread is discussing. Yes, those boxes of generic stuff for a tenner generally are crap. I haven't seen anyone talking about those on this thread.

HairHeGoesHairHeGoesAgain · 18/10/2023 12:44

I don't have a December 1st box. But th advent calendar and all the Christmas stuff (including bedding!) Arrives on the 1st December, along with our holy family.

I do a slow trickle. So a Christmas jumper might appear on the 4th in time for Christmas jumper day at school, the box of Christmas books appear on the 7th, a letter writing set might be brought by the elf on the 15th etc. There's no presents every day, but it's our Christmas stuff and I love it.

I do have a Christmas eve box, new pyjamas, fluffy socks and slippers (it's the law, I'm 37 and have always had new pyjamas for Christmas eve, The copy of the night before Christmas, the Nativity story, the stocking etc. We have a DVD copy of Raymond Briggs snowman/snowdog/father Christmas which goes in too. I think I put in a new bottle of matey last year too.

I spent Christmas 2020 and 2021 very deep in fresh grief for two of my babies. I tried to find some light so I could have the strength to celebrate with my living child. I did it with fairy lights and themed sheets.

I don't go on foreign holidays and I walk everywhere, I've made peace with what is clearly my rampant consumerism and single handed global destruction via the medium of Rudolph pyjamas.

AuntMarch · 19/10/2023 22:01

My plan is December 1st - Advent calendar, some card making stuff, crafts the grandparents can pretend to be happy to receive, Christmas books and figures return.. stuff I'd do anyway basically, just made into a "thing"

Christmas eve, the years he's with me, some new pyjamas (not christmassy just warm) and treats for while watching a Christmas film. Not a "box" though.

Mumaway · 19/10/2023 22:04

Errr, nothing. They get a chocolate advent calendar of their choice, and then they get to leave a carrot and a mince pie for Father Christmas on Xmas Eve. Presents on Christmas day only

Vebrithien · 19/11/2023 19:16

UndertheCedartree · 12/10/2023 21:51

Where does the tradition of chocolate fish come from?

Goodness @UndertheCedartree, I'm so sorry to have taken so long to see this, and reply.

The tradition comes from Austria, where the feast of St Nicholas marks the beginning of Christmas. On December 6th, the family in Austria come together for a traditional meal of fish followed by chocolate desserts. This has then become the tradition of giving chocolate fish to the children on St Nicholas' Day

I have a wonderful book, Merry Midwinter (Gillian Monks), all about the old traditions of the Midwinter season, the old stories behind our traditions, and it counts down through November and Advent.

UndertheCedartree · 19/11/2023 19:55

ChristmasCrumpet · 15/10/2023 12:15

@ShowOfHands that's a really lovely post, I love the idea of the decorations in hundred year old paper!

@UndertheCedartree I remember that thread, only because you bring it up on the Christmas boards each year Grin I have to say, my recollection wasn't you re-using items you already had, and more quite a lot of small landfill type things you were planning. I thought whoever called it plastic tat mentality was rather blunt, but did kinda see the point they were making. Good to hear your MH is better now.

@Meowandthen I think your perception of "daft crap" is based on perhaps what you see advertised on FB as Christmas Eve/Dec 1st boxes, and thinking that's what this thread is discussing. Yes, those boxes of generic stuff for a tenner generally are crap. I haven't seen anyone talking about those on this thread.

I do bring it up each year! It is such a nice memory!

But no - find it and check! I was using the plates/cups I already had, then food. The only new things were an advent calendar and a pen with jingle bells on them - which would then be used each year.

That was why the 'plastic tat mentality' was so funny because there wasn't any plastic tat involved!

UndertheCedartree · 19/11/2023 19:58

Vebrithien · 19/11/2023 19:16

Goodness @UndertheCedartree, I'm so sorry to have taken so long to see this, and reply.

The tradition comes from Austria, where the feast of St Nicholas marks the beginning of Christmas. On December 6th, the family in Austria come together for a traditional meal of fish followed by chocolate desserts. This has then become the tradition of giving chocolate fish to the children on St Nicholas' Day

I have a wonderful book, Merry Midwinter (Gillian Monks), all about the old traditions of the Midwinter season, the old stories behind our traditions, and it counts down through November and Advent.

Oh no, don't worry! It was worth the wait! I love hearing about traditions from different families and different cultures. The book looks great 🎄

LeviOsaNotLeviosaa · 19/11/2023 20:38

Can't be arsed to read through all the pointless 'nothing' replies, because it's boring as fuck to see people choose to do that rather than just scroll on if they can't answer. So,

We usually do a North Pole Breakfast on December 1st, when the elves come. They bring (chocolate, not toy) advent calendars, always have. For the last two years, they've also bought a Christmas book. This is because our children have grown out of picture books, and you obviously can't read a chapter book in one night, but we still love a Christmas book. We read a chapter a day in the run up to Christmas.

This year I'm also adding themed phone cases for them, and their Christmas bedding. They already have the bedding, it's just being popped out with everything else. The phone cases were about £1.50 each on Shein. I'm not spending a fortune. The breakfast food will be from the cupboard, but set out with the Christmas plates, tablecloth etc and cut into shapes if necessary. I might buy a box of cakes.

Our Christmas eve box contains the mince pie plate and milk bottle to leave out for Father Christmas. Some PJs (not Christmas themed, maximum usage), a box of chocolates, some hot chocolate, a bath bomb each, a tree decoration each and a family board game. The tree decs have built up over the years now, so that when they leave home each child has a set ready to go, and they can see how their interests have changed over their childhood. It's really lovely. Again, most of this is either stuff we already have, stuff we need anyway, or longstanding tradition. Nothing is throwaway.

You can have these fun things, make memories for children, without making it consumerist and spending a fortune. But I'm sure some will judge when my kids talk about it anyway.

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