Christmas movies without the existence/otherwise of Santa as plot device

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OBVIOUSLY this is a ridiculous PFB question.

Can anyone recommend good Christmas movies for families that don't touch on the existence or otherwise of Father Christmas?

My PFB is just young enough (5.5) that, to my knowledge, the question of whether or not you believe in Father Christmas hasn't yet arisen. I'm sure other kids will start telling her FC doesn't exist soon enough but I don't want to be the one to sow the seeds of doubt .

I know lots of Christmas movies do the whole "some cynical kids don't believe in Santa but WE KNOW he really exists" thing. But I don't really think the fact that he might not be real has occurred to her yet and I just want to preserve the magic of unquestioning belief for a little longer....

So - any good fun family Christmas movies which just take Santa as a given?

I might be wrong on the ages as we've no DC yet, but Arthur Christmas (although about a family line of Santa's so not one that doesn't age), Mickey's or Muppets Christmas carol as no Santa or the snowman?

Nativity 2 has Santa just in a very small role - fabulous movie about a primary school. The kids do see santa, briefly but its not a major part of the movie. Might be worth a watch?

Home Alone
Nativity 1, 2 and 3

Elf
The Snowman

Home Alone
Muppet Christmas Carol
Also the Prancer movies don't really focus on Santa - more the story of the child trying to care for the Reindeer they find

Muppets Christmas carol

I was thinking about Home Alone but isn't there a bit where FC comes out smoking and Kevin says "obviously you're not the real FC"? This to me is planting the seed because our DC think he store FC and North Pole FC is the same person. I'm probably massively overthinking but for those of you who have kids who have seen it, don't they question it?

Love actually?

Or the grinch

Home alone
Its a wonderful life
Snowman
Snowman and snowdog

Arthur Christmas is BIG on the Santa plot line, that he definitely does exist (as a family hereditary title) and how he manages things. It's our Xmas Eve movie.

I'm not sure It's A Wonderful Life would be entertaining enough for a 5 year old. It's a bit wordy / worthy for me (I admit I'm a philistine & don't actually like it that much).

Depends on the child Iklboo - my eldest hated its a wonderful life at 7, his brother at 5 loved it...

People not believing in Santa is a big part of the elf storyline. Like always by the end they prove he does exist!

Very true dinky

Die Hard.

Skippy

Another vote for the Nativity films

Jack Frost

The magic reindeer

I came on to say Die Hard...maybe in a few years though!

Jack Frost doesn't feature santa I don't think; it is a pile of wank but hey ho!

Nightmare before Christmas?

White Christmas with Bing Crosby

www.commonsensemedia.org/blog/santa-spoiler-alerts

Arthur Christmas doesn't question it does it? Just gets more hi tech as the years go by.

rise of the guardians