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Christmas and paganism why?

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Justmerach · 11/12/2024 15:59

I have been wondering about this and so am posting this questions as I would like to read peoples opinions. I might have known the question to this but cannot remember today for sure.
Why do people link Christmas to paganism and say like they are not buying a Christmas tree for example.

I am a Christian and I do mark the event thinking that perhaps may not have been born exactly on that day, but it is a symbolic marking. I am marking the gift of the Lord that God gave us into the world. Who atoned for our sins.
Jesus brought into the world. Christmas tree are sparkly as such as such can some of that lightness.
I like to do some Biblical themed things around that time. I know the pitfalls and used like a commercial event. Surely it is what you make of it in your heart.
With Dwhali we mark light. In Norway the festival of lights a few days before Christmas. So where is disputes for Christians. Ok, many have walked from God but we are all free to live our lives as want. We await Jesus return as Christians but we know when what his life meant.

So a quick 101 from someone who has knowledge as well. I would like an answer about the lights and Christmas tree a tradition from Norway I think.
Thank you

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Skye99 · 07/01/2025 18:24

Evangelical isn’t the same as fundamentalist. ‘Fundamentalist’ I take to mean anti-intellectual and closed minded. ‘Evangelical’ means taking a high view of the Bible, and putting emphasis on obeying it and on evangelism. I guess all fundamentalists are evangelical, but not all evangelicals are fundamentalist.

I am an evangelical Christian, and I know many other evangelical Christians. I only know two (married to each other) who object to Christmas traditions. They probably are fundamentalists.

Skye99 · 07/01/2025 18:27

Also to @ThatIsNotMyNameSoWhyAreYouCallingMeThat :

The Bible doesn’t tell people to make each other birthday cakes and sing Happy Birthday either, but I bet the evangelical Christians you know do that.

Catullus5 · 07/01/2025 18:31

I object to the whole notion of fundamentalism. It suggests the fundamentalists are the real Christians rather than a group that has spun off on their own tangent, as is more generally the case

Notmydaughteryoubitch · 07/01/2025 18:32

I read that Christmas was timed when it was to make converting to Christianity more palatable for the Romans who celebrated Saturnalia at that time. Either way as others have stated there have always been mid winter traditions at the winter solstice and it seems likely Christianity has co-opted those to its own - given the only evidence we do have in the Bible around birth of Jesus (if you were to believe in him) appears to spring time and not actually in the mid winter. The same would be true for celebrations of the change in season in spring (Easter) and in autumn (harvest festival)

SwordToFlamethrower · 07/01/2025 22:59

I'm a second gen pagan/witch and we don't celebrate Christmas in our home.

We honour the return of the sun at the winter solstice at Stone Henge, we have beautiful rituals outside. We don't put a tree up, fake or real because I will not kill a tree for a tradition. What we do do, is bring branches of evergreens indoors and make wreaths and decorate a piece of oak and place candles upon it to burn for 3 days and nights.

We tell the story of the Oak King, who takes the crown from the Holly King, so that life may return.

For us, the new sun is the new year and we celebrate that.

The Wheel keeps on turning! Darkness gives way to light and light gives way to darkness. Without darkness, there can be no new life. Without light, life cannot be sustained.

Balance and chaos exist side by side in harmony ✨️

mathanxiety · 08/01/2025 04:38

SensibleSigma · 06/01/2025 13:36

Traditions change over time. They develop and lapse according to need.

Churches used to be decorated with pictures from bible stories, a true kaleidoscope of colour and information. The Reformation whitewashed over all that and plain and simple became the rule. Churches didn’t have pews, they were used as markets and people had meetings and milled around. Then fixed pews became the norm, now many churches are removing them and we are again a community resource and hub. Hymns have arrived, been considered raucous and inappropriate, then become classics, now to be discarded in favour of current preferences.

Traditions are transitory, their practice and meaning changing over time.

The post Reformation churches were whitewashed.

Catholic churches retained their ornament and their sole use as places of worship. Exceptions are those churches that are tourist attractions (so there will be a lot of people milling around when Masses are not in progress and sometimes even during Mass), and the churches of France, which are the property of the state.

PraiseHim · 12/01/2025 14:17

Christmas is not one of the 7 Feasts of the God of Heaven, therefore it is a tradition of man, which makes it a pagan feast

LeaningOnTheEverlastingArms · 12/01/2025 18:22

PraiseHim · 12/01/2025 14:17

Christmas is not one of the 7 Feasts of the God of Heaven, therefore it is a tradition of man, which makes it a pagan feast

What is your opinion of Hannukah?

PraiseHim · 12/01/2025 18:32

LeaningOnTheEverlastingArms · 12/01/2025 18:22

What is your opinion of Hannukah?

Hanukkah is a man made tradition as it is not a Feast of the God of Heaven

FuzzyPuffling · 12/01/2025 18:35

But the seven feasts are Jewish rather than Christian, are they not? We have a New Covenant with God through Jesus.

Catullus5 · 12/01/2025 18:45

I did some Googling and see that Pentecost and something equivalent to Easter has been spliced on to the Jewish festivals. I've never heard of the Seven Feasts of the God of Heaven. Is it a recent idea?

LeaningOnTheEverlastingArms · 12/01/2025 18:45

PraiseHim · 12/01/2025 18:32

Hanukkah is a man made tradition as it is not a Feast of the God of Heaven

And yet our Lord observed it. 🤔

Now it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter. And Jesus walked in the temple, in Solomon’s porch.”
John 10:22-23

Justmerach · 12/01/2025 18:55

After Christmas I am now finding a bit baffling that this is still being discussed when the answers have long been provided by posters. Baffling to me but never mind.

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