Child in Liverpool dies of measles :(

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I think that vaccine hesitancy is worse after the Covid nonsense conspiracies than it ever was during the Andrew Wakefield era (I had young children in both).

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/child-measles-dies-alder-hey-32048907.amp

Exactly. The death of two children due to something utterly preventable is dreadful. Imagine if two children had died on a piece of play equipment at the local park. People would be rightly up in arms and demanding it was fixed.

But you don't know they're anti vaxxers.
My ds wasn't allowed his measles vaccine until he was 18 months because he had an egg allergy.
And then he had to have it separately.

Just read the article in the Sunday Times.
The child died WITH measles. He or she had serious underlying health conditions.

It’s an epidemic if a number people in one location are diagnosed with measles where previously zero people were diagnosed with measles.

Your comment shows a lack of concern and also ignorance as to what an epidemic is.

Epidemics are not measured by the number of dead - they are measured by the number infected in one specific location.

Measles were largely eradicated in the developed world due to vaccines.

A healthy child dying of this illness is utterly tragic.

Don't expect people to miss an opportunity to call anti-vaxxers murderous savages. Especially not over a small thing like the truth.

The thing is, though - a lot of people have underlying health conditions and don’t know it. I still get invitations to have Covid vaccines because I’m in the at risk category but to most people I appear fit and healthy.

The Sunday Times article is behind a pay wall.

@ThejoyofNC. Two preventable deaths in a country with excellent access to paediatric medical care. Don’t forget there will be many more more permanent disabilities too

I had encephalitis due to measles as a child and suffered some short term cognitive issues. I went from being a child who had taught themselves to read before school and was very advanced to having to relearn stuff. I caught back up but it took a year and I was moved down a year for that year, it was very upsetting. I was born just before the vaccine was available. I remember many adults being disabled due to polio when I was a child.

Anti vaxxers are utter fuckwits. My uncle died of polio at 18 months in the pre vax days. He suffered horribly and it destroyed my gran. Utter utter imbeciles

What the article says is "it is known that they were suffering from measles and are believed to have had other health complications".

So it's unclear whether the other complications were caused by measles or were an underlying condition.

Totally agree with those saying that everyone who can should get the vaccine though. We need herd immunity for everyone's sake.

The article says that they do not know the vaccination status of the DC and that the vaccination protects in 97% of cases.That means in 3% of cases it does not and that any of us with vaccinated children could be accused of murdering their DC by those on this thread, including the judgemental ones here. Nor is it recommended for all DC. The only fact we do know is that the parents have lost a DC.

The reason they are concerned is how highly contagious measles is. If someone with measles is in a room like say a Dr office, then people can catch it from the air for 2 hours after.

it doesn’t take much for an outbreak.

Exactly. But when you call out the anti vaxxers; people get offended.

My primary school in 1971: I remember kid after kid throughout the week going to the teacher and showing her a rash. It is so infectious. My classroom was more or less empty at the end of that week

Yes I had a classmate who wore a caliper after polio. Lovely girl , always in and out of hospital. It was far more common back then. Also a childhood friend who died of tetanus after breaking his arm. So tragic. And so easily prevented.

Maybe this child couldn’t have the vaccine due to health issues but due to the low uptake of the vaccine in that area; they have died from the disease.
So maybe the death was preventable if herd immunity had been present.

It causes so many issues death is just one of them thankfully rare these days but make no mistake it can cause serious damage

Ridiculous anti-vaxxer statement. You have no idea what the child’s other health conditions were, or whether they were life-limiting, or whether they made the child more vulnerable.

Your dismissal of their death as irrelevant is pretty offensive to anyone with existing health conditions. Herd immunity is what we try to acquire as a population to protect these people.

You can get it from the Wayback Machine. I’ve tried to post a link but it doesn’t work.

Where are you getting the information that the parents refused to vaccinate? I don’t think the child’s vaccination status is known, is it?

Vaccine uptake, even in the school leavers boosters which has a very important meningitis vaccine in it, is very low.

The flippancy of your tone about 2 children dying is awful.

These were two preventable deaths. Can you share evidence of an mmr related death in the UK in the same time period?

Poor child.
Conspiracy theories have a lot to answer for as have people who just blindly believe someone on the internet rather than the combined knowledge of many, many scientists who know what they are talking about.
I despair.

It’s a sad truth, but outbreaks bring reality home to selfish, freeloading half-wit anti-vaxxers. We saw this in the measles outbreak some years ago: anti-vaxxers and their children were down the surgeries and clinics in long lines.

We should never get to this, of course. Children will suffer pain, distress, disability or even death. That’s the anti-vaxxers’ doing.