Child in Liverpool dies of measles :(

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I think that vaccine hesitancy is worse after the Covid nonsense conspiracies than it ever was during the Andrew Wakefield era (I had young children in both).

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/child-measles-dies-alder-hey-32048907.amp

There is a difference between calling out anti vaxxers and calling these particular parents neglectful, without knowing the full story.

Imbecile is politically incorrect. educate yourself . two wrongs don’t make a right

I couldn’t give a fuck, stopping children dying from completely preventable diseases is more important than my grammar

That child may have been vaccinated. But all parents in the area that didn't vaccinate because they thought their facebook and google 'research' was better than the NICE guidelines and WHO share responsibility in this death and the other hospitalisations.

You're right, I misread that. Apologies.

This is the case in the US, but in some areas you can get a "philosophical exemption" though they are cracking down on that too.

Oh well that’s ok then!!!
Honestly have a think lots of children have serious health conditions but can have very fulfilling lives. My child has a very serious health condition but can live fairly normally, however if he caught measles it would be reported as “had underlying health conditions”
Measles is preventable, if you can vaccinate against it you should, it’s your social responsibility. Some can’t be so they need the protection.

My son had to be revaccinated after chemotherapy wiped out his immune system but not until he'd reached 6 months in remission and then I couldn't get him vaccinated fast enough. Especially MMR.

This. These are the people the 'herd immunity' is for, not the 'well I don't want my child to have the tiny risk of an issue, so I'll just expect others to' entitlement!

No vaccines give 100% protection. It says in the article vaccination status unknown. For all we know this child was vaccinated. It also clearly states they had other health problems.
Fair enough to start a thread on the problem of lack of vaccine uptake in specific parts of the UK but using this child's death to have a rant is very unsavoury. One poster saying the grieving parents should be charged FFS, you know nothing about this family.

Can we please focus on this point for a second, as there seems to be a significant number of posters unable to grasp this critical concept.

Whether this child was unvaccinated due to parental choice, or was unable to be vaccinated due to significant underlying health problems is by the by, the fact remains that they died from a disease which, if sufficient vaccination had been achieved locally to reach herd immunity, he/she was unlikely to have contracted in the first place.

The consequences of vaccination refusal reach far beyond the individual child and family. It puts entire communities at risk due to the reduction in immunity at a population level, leading to rising infection rates and deaths among the unvaccinated (and my personal bugbear, among babies yet to receive their first MMR).

To choose not to vaccinate cannot be permitted as an individual “my body my choice” luxury when every single child that’s unvaccinated puts everyone else at risk. This is public health, we all sink or swim together.

Very well put @RenaissanceBaby .

Because we don’t have the chickenpox vaccine in this country, roughly 15-20 people die of chickenpox each year and many others left with complications. Of course, then people are at risk of shingles in later life.

Yes. The fact that not all children can have the vaccine, and that it may not be effective for a small percentage, is all the more reason why every child who can have the vaccine should have it, to prevent outbreaks.

I think this has a lot to do with it. Had an anti vaxer once tell me that babies died because everyone’s houses were dirty because they didn’t know how to clean 🙄

I believe most posters on the thread understand the concept, other than those calling this particular child's parents negligent or murderers. We have no evidence to suggest they are anti vaxxers and that is the issue I have with this thread.

this is very concerning for people with kids who have next to none or a very low immune system. my kid had been vaccianted but its worrying when so many arent.
why the fuck cant people just vaccinate their kids?!? I understand those who cant due to allergies or cancer but jesus christ! Selfish fucks.

Have you considered that they may not have been able to vaccinate if the child had other health issues?

And also, unless and until vaccination becomes compulsory, failing to vaccinate will not be a crime.

I don't think we know yet but if there parents didn't vaccinate their child they should be charged. The death was preventable through normal parent action. A message needs to be sent to anti-vaxxers that their ill informed choices is not acceptable and sometime a high profile prosecution and prison sentence is needed.

The main problem is that ever since Covid there is a mistrust of anything the authorities say, whether it’s health information or about a crime. Or anything. It’s why populist politics has exploded.

Nobody denies that vaccine damage can happen. But I feel evidence suggests the MMR is one of the safest.

if your child ends up in hospital, like mine did last December, you have to trust the medics then.

Child neglect is a crime in itself.

This has happened before - whenever measles vaccination figures drop, ultimately there is an outbreak and sadly some children are left disabled or, worse, dead.

What I was taught is:
Measles is v highly infectious. If you have no immunity and spend as little as half an hour in the same room as someone harbouring measles (no body contact necessary), there's a 98% chance of you catching measles.

To prevent outbreaks 90% of the population needs to be vaccinated. The figure is a lot lower than this in some parts of the country, so outbreaks will occur.

It seems to be a sad truth that sometimes the only way to persuade some people to vaccinate is for their to be widely reported deaths.

We don't know the story behind this family. Whatever it is, the parents will now be suffering more than most of us would ever want to imagine, and I don't think anyone should be throwing stones.

There is a hard hitting fictional novel about exactly that and the child started the process of reintegration and got measles and died (then there was murder etc)

people don’t see measles/german measles (plot of a miss marple) as being dangerous because for the most part there were eradicated now they aren’t

The worse thing is when these kids get admitted to hospital. Especially in a hospital like Alder Hey. You will will have sick babies with other health conditions that put them at greater risks of complications. These babies are too young to be vaccinated against MMR.

And more kids that have contraindications to the vaccine so again at higher risks.

They are putting so many at risk and really don't care.

And apparently there are a few kids with measles in Alder Hey at present and all the other kids are being put at risk.

My son had so many infections and was on antibiotics almost constantly when he had no immune system but thankfully, nothing ended up getting too serious.

He didn't go back to school until he was already vaccinated again though that was largely because the cancer had caused some complications so he had a lengthy hospital stay.