39° and vomiting

[KingOfWishfulThinkin]

My DD is almost 3, stayed with her Nanna Friday night as I was away with DP. She was fine when I left her but vomited twice around midnight and didn't sleep after that, didn't eat a thing and barely drank. I collected her as soon as I could (3 hour drive away) and bought her home. She did a huge nap, woke up feeling a little better and calpol bought temp down. She grazed on some fruit and toast and drank a small bottle of juice, temp down to 36.6° so assumed on the mend.

I stayed in bed with her and at 2:30 this morning she vomited again and her temp is now 39° and not coming down with calpol. No diarrhoea, hasn't done a poo since Thursday now (not abnormal, she has chronic constipation and takes cosmocol paediatric daily). What do we think this is and how do I handle it? First and only child, single parent with no voice of reason to assure me this is just one of those things that children get and she will be fine

Nurofen is better for reducing fever. Offer sips of water and strip off pj’s to cool her down. I hope your little one feels better soon. X

@Claireshh thank you, will see if DP can pop out and grab some for me in the morning (we don't live together, not DD's dad). We're downstairs where it's cooler and she's just in her pants, I'm bloody freezing! She's fallen back to sleep which I guess is a good sign.

i'd ring 111, just because her temperature didn't come down with the Calpol.

I have an almost 3 year old like this at the moment. Try get the nurofen ASAP and if she won't take it orally get the nurofen suppositories and up the bum. You need to get a 39 degree temp down.

My experience with temps and DD is on the more serious end of the scale as she often ends up with febrile convulsion when she gets them and we can't get them down. So calpol every 6 hours nurofen every 8. Keep her cool, put a cool face cloth on her forehead/core, use a fan, give her cool drinks. If temps persist I would bring her to the doc. Temps are generally a sign of infection, the sooner you identify the infection and treat it the better. It doesn't sound like a vomiting bug as she has only been sick twice in 24 hours.

How is she now @KingOfWishfulThinkin?

Thanks for your advice everyone.

She's asleep at the minute, temp sticking around 37.5° currently with calpol, due another dose in an hour. She's just not herself, very clingy, just wants cuddles. Not eaten anything, sipping water/squash but that's it. She's just in her pants, hot to touch but has goosebumps all over her

I'd still call 111 OP, especially as she's so young

She's just woken up shaking and crying, temp 39° 😣 gagged on calpol and chucked it back up. I just fear ending up in a&e for hours if it's just something she'll shake off in a few days, taking up resources and putting her in a foreign situation when she could be at home resting. I'm so torn.

You need to cool her down and a damp flannel isn't enough. Put her in a tepid bath (cool, not cold) as this will work more efficiently. If she is lethargic or non responsive you call for medical assistance.

My youngest always vomited when she had a fever as it was her way of assisting with the cooling process!

I think at this point I would go in - often worse by night and shaking can be sign of UTI etc - 111 or walk in near by -

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Reported your post for you op. I'd take her to a&e tbh. We had to take DD 9 months yesterday as she had a temp we couldn't keep controlled, but different obviously as my DD was younger but we were In and out within 6ish hours and she's being treated for both a water infection and bronchiolitis (poor love) it's always worth getting a young child checked out especially if her temp isn't being controlled well, she's obviously poorly! You could try the walk in centre first? (We did this but just got sent to A&E as heart rate was very high too and she was working hard to breathe)

If you acknowledge you're freezing, she's completely stripped off and she's covered in goosebumps, then her body likely is trying to warm her up which will be causing the temperature spikes.

Keeping a child cool is important but you're aiming to gently lower temperature, not shock them into being cold as what you ironically end up doing is causing them to shiver and raise their temperature very quickly which makes them worse, heightens the fever and you end up in a vicious cycle. Under dressed, tepid baths, cold rooms, fans directed on them etc can make the whole thing worse. Loose, light clothing and a ventilated room is better than the shock measures described here.

I'd get some medical advice for your peace of mind and to help you manage a fever. The NHS website is very good for general information in future. I really hope she's better soon.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/fever-in-children/

Exactly what showofhands just said. Some of the advice on here is terrible, don't ask the Internet for medical advice. Look on the NHS website or call 111 if concerned.

This is such bad advice.

You should only try and reduce their temperature with medication and try and encourage sipping water or weak squash to stay rehydrated.

My DDs usually had a very high temperature and vomiting if they had tonsillitis.

I'd seek medical care now if I were you as you are worried and your DD is not herself.

I've spoken to 111. An out of hours GP is going to call within an hour. She's so hot but her hands and feet are cold and she's almost uncontrollably shaking. She's never been like this before 😣

I don't want to frighten you, but you need to call 999 now, as these are extremely worrying symptoms that could indicate sepsis. Mention the fever, shaking and cold hands and feet. Ask them Could it be sepsis?

This is a screenshot from the NHS page about fevers. I don't think 111 tend to ask about the temperature of hands and feet, so they might have misclassified it.

Try to stay calm. Whilst you're waiting, pack an overnight bag for both of you, any medications and her red book. The ambulance should be there very quickly.

@Cantseethewindows they asked about her hands and feet, which are slightly colder than her red hot upper body. I'm just doing a covid test on her as she's coughing a lot. It's the change in cry and shaking that's concerning me, along with the temp

@KingOfWishfulThinkin just tagging you to increase the chances of you seeing this asap

Cross post. Please call 999 now, they'll do a COVID test in hospital if necessary. A strange cry is another symptom on the list I posted. Please don't delay, get that ambulance for her now.

The ambulance could take a while, if your worried pop to A&E or wait for the OOHGP to ring you back to get you an appointment. The way the ambulance service is if you can take her up there yourself.
My little girl was exactly the same and she had an ear infection. I always go with treat the child not the fever.
The shivering etc is a Normal response to a fever. Her body is trying to cool down.
My little one never spikes temperatures so it was a shock the other week.
Don't sponge her down, horrendous advice! It makes the fever higher, also don't strip her off. That also makes fever higher. Just appropriate clothes.

Sounds like an A&E job, are you close to one? I would take her asap.