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Children aged 1-9 in LONDON to be offered polio vaccine

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Dalint · 10/08/2022 12:33

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/polio-vaccine-children-london-outbreak-b2142219.html?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=IND_Breaking_News%20polio&utm_term=IND_Breaking_Newsletter

Why only London?

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BobMortimersPocketMeat · 10/08/2022 13:23

Dalint · 10/08/2022 13:19

Why are people allowed to travel here who haven't been vaccinated against everything we are vaccinated against? For e.g. if I want to travel to Africa, there is a list of vaccines that I need to get before going there. Why not the same for coming here?

People in ‘Africa’ (big contingent, lots of different countries with different endemic diseases, by the way) in large part are unlikely to have access to the vaccines you receive before travelling there. They are to protect you from diseases which aren’t endemic here, but you are likely to encounter there, and to protect the public health of the population at home when you come back, so you don’t create an outbreak of dengue fever in Surbiton, for instance. Vaccination is about much more than the individual.

So we don’t stop people coming here who haven’t had our suite of vaccines, because it’s not about stopping illnesses at the border - we have the protection we need from them due to our vaccine schedule.

gogohmm · 10/08/2022 13:24

@Dalint it's being offered to all children because it's not always obvious who has missed the vaccinations. We lived overseas so my childrens uk records are not complete for instance (they were fully vaccinated there). A few extra doses is better than children being missed, parents as always are free to refuse

Dalint · 10/08/2022 13:24

It's the equivalent of punishing an entire classroom of children because one little girl wrote 'teacher is mean' on the blackboard!

If it's an appeal to people to unvaccinated children, then appeal to them! If it's not required and you have your red book as proof that your child has been vaccinated, then your child should be excused.

OR, the fucking vaccine isn't effective.

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BobMortimersPocketMeat · 10/08/2022 13:26

Dalint · 10/08/2022 13:20

Why then, dear know-it-all, are children, who are already vaccinated, being given another vaccine for something they're already vaccinated against?

Know it all? I am trying to answer your questions!

Children between one and nine would be due a booster at 14, so this is bringing it forward as a belt and braces preventative measure. I just heard it on the news.

Have fun with the rest of this. You’re clearly not in a receptive mood and just want to be up in arms about something.

3amAndImStillAwake · 10/08/2022 13:27

I don't want children receiving a vaccine they don't need so as to not offend those not vaccinated?

Your children? Or any children? Just don't get yours the booster if it bothers you.

if I want to travel to Africa, there is a list of vaccines that I need to get before going there.

There is not a list of vaccines you are required to have in order to enter Africa.

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 10/08/2022 13:27

What does it matter than they're offering all a booster? A booster isn't going to harm a child. They're giving it to children 1-9, boosters are given usually at 10.

Dalint · 10/08/2022 13:28

I'm sorry but if I had a child aged 4, fully vaccinated against polio, there is no fucking way in hell that I would sign up to a further vaccine for him unless I'm told why!!!!!!!!!!
Why does he need a booster ahead of schedule?

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Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 10/08/2022 13:28

Sorry at 14, but recommended people in risk areas get a booster every 10 years.

3amAndImStillAwake · 10/08/2022 13:28

If it's not required and you have your red book as proof that your child has been vaccinated, then your child should be excused.

The child wouldn't need to be excused, as it's not even close to being mandatory.

MintJulia · 10/08/2022 13:29

The polio in sewage is an issue because it is of the type that comes from live vaccine used in other countries. That means that people in London but vaccinated elsewhere. are carrying the live virus (but have antibodies)

However, because there is an increasing number of people with live virus, that increases the chance of it spreading and mutating. If it mutates, the dead virus vaccine we give children in the UK may not be as effective.

They have the same issue in New York and there has been one case of a person being affected.

So the authorities are playing it safe and boosting immunity.

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 10/08/2022 13:30

Dalint · 10/08/2022 13:28

I'm sorry but if I had a child aged 4, fully vaccinated against polio, there is no fucking way in hell that I would sign up to a further vaccine for him unless I'm told why!!!!!!!!!!
Why does he need a booster ahead of schedule?

Because the virus was detected in sewage. It's your choice, do what you want for your child.

Dalint · 10/08/2022 13:30

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 10/08/2022 13:27

What does it matter than they're offering all a booster? A booster isn't going to harm a child. They're giving it to children 1-9, boosters are given usually at 10.

Boosters are at 14, not ten. Not at 1, 2, 3, or four. Not at 10. Not at 13. At 14.

But now? It's being offered from 1-9.

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Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 10/08/2022 13:31

I corrected after

Dalint · 10/08/2022 13:31

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 10/08/2022 13:30

Because the virus was detected in sewage. It's your choice, do what you want for your child.

I don't care if it was detected in my own shit! My children are vaccinated so it's not a concern.

Or is it?

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mynameiscalypso · 10/08/2022 13:31

Dalint · 10/08/2022 13:28

I'm sorry but if I had a child aged 4, fully vaccinated against polio, there is no fucking way in hell that I would sign up to a further vaccine for him unless I'm told why!!!!!!!!!!
Why does he need a booster ahead of schedule?

But people have explained why. They're accelerating the booster for children higher risk areas because there is evidence of there being cases in the general public. I live in London and they offer the TB vaccine to newborns because it's a higher risk area.

For what it worth, my DS (age 3) will definitely be having it. It seems eminently sensible.

PeekAtYou · 10/08/2022 13:31

I'm assuming that many kids have vaccination gaps because of the pandemic.

My child is a teen so vaccinations are at school and he didn't get offered jabs at the normal time. When the NHS came to school, they had to vaccinate more than one year group and run out of vaccine more than once. They came to do flu, Covid and teen boosters and I'm not sure which ones he ended up getting (or not)

London has a more transient population and different countries have different vaccination schedules so it's possible that some are missing out due to this.

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 10/08/2022 13:32

My children are vaccinated so it's not a concern

Not fully vaccinated unless they've reached 14 and had the booster

Sirzy · 10/08/2022 13:32

Dalint · 10/08/2022 13:28

I'm sorry but if I had a child aged 4, fully vaccinated against polio, there is no fucking way in hell that I would sign up to a further vaccine for him unless I'm told why!!!!!!!!!!
Why does he need a booster ahead of schedule?

They have said why, but if you decide not
to give a vaccine which has been proven safe and effective that’s your decision to make. Many other people will be more than happy to have the extra level of security given the fact no vaccine offers 100% protection and the risk from polio infection has now increased from where it has been for many years.

SoupDragon · 10/08/2022 13:32

Dalint · 10/08/2022 13:28

I'm sorry but if I had a child aged 4, fully vaccinated against polio, there is no fucking way in hell that I would sign up to a further vaccine for him unless I'm told why!!!!!!!!!!
Why does he need a booster ahead of schedule?

So don't. It's quite simple.

lawandgin · 10/08/2022 13:32

@Dalint "if I had" suggests you don't, so what are you worried about? And even if you do and you don't want your child to have it, just refuse. If you want to contribute to possible future mutations and possible disability for your child, that's on you.

Dalint · 10/08/2022 13:32

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 10/08/2022 13:28

Sorry at 14, but recommended people in risk areas get a booster every 10 years.

Recommended every ten years? So, my toddler who received the vaccine at 6 months, needs it again today, now that she's two?

Stop talking nonsense.

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dehloh · 10/08/2022 13:33

lawandgin · 10/08/2022 13:15

@picklemewalnuts just what I was about to say. Check your facts before you misinform @dehloh. Do you think they're adding to the NHS workload for the fun of it? Kids are vaccinated at 8, 12 and 16 weeks and then not again until 3 years 4 months and then about 14/15. I remember not being able to have mine because my grandparent was having chemo at the time, but i went back for it later. The polio strains found have mutated so not just from people who have been vaccinated.

Sorry, that's what I had read about it. I just came back to apologise and saw this. One person telling me it's wrong is we mouth to make me look further.

dehloh · 10/08/2022 13:34

picklemewalnuts · 10/08/2022 13:10

Misinformation, @dehloh .

It is circulating in the population. The traces found in sewage ARE NOT from vaccination, they've mutated a bit so must have been in people as well.

The vast majority of the time, Polio is a mild illness that causes no problems. You wouldn't go to the doctor if you were ill with Polio. It occasionally results in the severe cases and symptoms.

The vaccination will make sure it never circulates widely enough for there to be severe cases.

Sorry I did initially read that it was from people who had the live vaccine. I realise this is not the case.

Dalint · 10/08/2022 13:34

MintJulia · 10/08/2022 13:29

The polio in sewage is an issue because it is of the type that comes from live vaccine used in other countries. That means that people in London but vaccinated elsewhere. are carrying the live virus (but have antibodies)

However, because there is an increasing number of people with live virus, that increases the chance of it spreading and mutating. If it mutates, the dead virus vaccine we give children in the UK may not be as effective.

They have the same issue in New York and there has been one case of a person being affected.

So the authorities are playing it safe and boosting immunity.

I suspected as much.

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daisyjgrey · 10/08/2022 13:34

Dalint · 10/08/2022 13:28

I'm sorry but if I had a child aged 4, fully vaccinated against polio, there is no fucking way in hell that I would sign up to a further vaccine for him unless I'm told why!!!!!!!!!!
Why does he need a booster ahead of schedule?

Then don't. Christ.

What even is your point? You claim to not be "a lay person" but then ask questions that if you weren't, you'd know the answer to? You're also being quite rude and inflammatory.

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