Do children in the UK have to be vaccinated to attend school?

[AlexiaRivers]

Is there a question on schools application forms that ask wether a child has had their vaccines before they start? If so do the schools prioritise based on this?

For reasons I won't go into on this thread, I have chosen not to vaccinate so am just curious if this will have an impact on the school application process when the time comes.

I have absolutely zero worries of my children catching these diseases. You are being facetious, we are in 2021.

But why would you make that choice?

I really don’t think it should be parental choice, it’s never the well-educated parents doing this.

No actually, I dont use car seats what is the point in that 🙄

You are behind on the year as well as the science. And the fact that there are still TB cases in the UK, and polio has recently resurfaced as well.

My god this is painful.

WHY DO YOU THINK THERE IS NO CHANCE OF YOUR CHILDREN CATCHING THOSE DISEASES IN 2021?

Fuck me....

So in fact you were lying. (Not just about the year.)

You HAVEN'T had anywhere near all of the diseases that we vaccinate against.

You were lying when you said you had had them all.

And you apparently don't grasp the fact that the reason you haven't had them is because everyone with an ounce of intelligence has vaccinated their children against them for decades.

People who choose not to vaccinate don't realise that to the rest of us, they look like reckless, dangerous, speeding drivers, who think they're being clever and gaining an advantage, but are actually just putting themselves (or rather their innocent children) and everyone else at unnecessary risk for an illusory gain, while largely being protected from the consequences of their actions by everyone else's care and attention.

Ok that is great, I choose not to thank you very much. I am not uneducated btw, I have worked in hospitals all of my life and yes TB is around, i would see them walking around masked up and followed by security.. no I am not worried.

So have you had polio, TB, diptheria and smallpox? Yes or no?

I have had the relevant diseases.. this is a bit boring now

You may or may not be uneducated. You are, however, very very hard of thinking if you don't understand that the reason you and your unvaccinated children haven't had these terrible diseases is because of all the people who HAVE been vaccinated.

Here's some helpful info for you:
Polio is an infectious disease caused by a virus. The virus reproduces itself in the gut and can spread easily to the nervous system. It can result in very serious consequences including meningitis, paralysis or death.
Before a vaccine was introduced in the 1950s, epidemics would result in up to 7760 cases of paralytic polio in the UK each year, with up to 750 deaths. Once a vaccine was routinely available, cases of polio rapidly fell to very low levels. The last outbreak of polio in the UK was in the late 1970s, and the last case of naturally-occurring polio in the UK was in 1984.
Vaccination has eliminated polio in almost all countries in the world. Only three countries still officially have polio circulating in the population: Afghanistan, Pakistan and Nigeria. However, Syria, which was polio-free for 14 years, was re-infected with the virus from Pakistan. Polio cases there have increased as a result of the civil war, which has had a major impact on sanitation and on routine vaccination. Other countries have had a few polio cases in recent years, often linked to war or civil unrest.
Europe has been certified as 'polio free' since 2002, and the risk of importing polio into the UK is considered to be low at the moment. However there have been at least two outbreaks of polio in Europe since 2002, both linked to cases imported from other parts of the world. In 2018 the World Health Organization's view is that three European countries (Bosnia and Herzegovina, Romania and Ukraine)
are of special concern because of lower vaccination rates and other issues.

Answer the question then we can all stop being bored by it.

Have you had polio, diptheria, tuberculosis and smallpox? Yes or no? It's literally two or three letters that you need to type. YES or NO.

@Mummyford
Vaccinating against chickenpox is a more complicated choice in the UK at present though, as it isn't part of the routine childhood immunisation schedule.
You can pay for it privately if you want though (I did).

When did I say I didnt understand this.. i understand, I have researched, and I came to an educated decision, thank you for your input

And yet you still refuse to answer the very very simple question I've asked you five times now.

You literally have to type three letters for yes, or two letters for no.

Have you had polio, diptheria, smallpox and tuberculosis?

Yes or no?

Anecdata but regarding the PP linking benefits and anti-vax, while there are a few patients who are the 'anti-state' but claim benefits rather than work, IME the majority of child anti-vaxxers tend to be more affluent stereotypically 'Earth mother' anti-vaxxers who prioritise organic food and similar. IME benefit claimants, many of whom work tend to vaccinate children more than average but anecdata so happy to be corrected with evidence. If someone wanted to correlate anti-vaxxers across classes, it might correlate more with unlawful drug use by the parents which makes for interesting conversations about inconsistencies if they push the 'untested', 'putting things in bodies' ...

What’s most terrifying about antivaxx parents is that the poor children involved don’t have any voice or agency whatsoever.

Our children are not our pets. They are not advertisements or sounding boards for our radical viewpoints or lifestyle choices, they are not extensions of ourselves, we do not own them. They do not exist to prove points or satisfy whims.

As parents we have to make choices every day to protect the health and welfare of our children. It’s an incredible amount of responsibility to have such control over the health outcomes of another human being.

Refusing to vaccinate is complete dereliction of this responsibility and is tantamount to neglect. How anyone can argue otherwise is beyond me.

*LooneyToon
I have absolutely zero worries of my children catching these diseases. You are being facetious, we are in 2021.
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Tbh @LooneyToon I don't believe you've had all those diseases.

Do you live in the UK?

You're on this thread for a wind up aren't you?

I have no patience with people who see vaccination purely in personal terms .It is a public health project and it is a civic duty for all of us to ensure that we follow public health advice for the greater good.Some people are vulnerable due to faulty immune systems and some people just don't respond to vaccination and so it is really important that as many as possible get vaccinated.Relying on others to reduce the volume of virus in the population is selfish and rather stupid. Clearly there isn't an argument in sense or science for not vaccinating one's DC but that is the personal view rather than community view.
I am 60 and so was young in the era of knowing older friends who had had polio, everyone knew people who were disabled by measles and pregnancies that were affected by rubella, likewise scarring from smallpox in older generations was ubiquitous, the tb x ray van was still a regular sight and chest damage from whooping cough was common.I can't imagine thinking that vaccines weren't useful or that my children were so special they didn't have to take part in herd immunity .

I think we need to draw a distinction between active anti-vaxxers and the broader pool of parents who don't vaccinate their children.

According to UKHSA, there is a clear link between being more deprived and being unvaccinated. But what those figures don't tell you is the reason those children weren't vaccinated - was it an active choice or the result of a chaotic home, or a language barrier, or a series of temporary housing resulting in less stable contact with health services.

But employment and parental education levels are both associated with higher vaccination coverage.

Nope. They can attend without any vaccinations. No vaccines here, all fine for school.

I can't imagine ringing up work and saying

'I won't be in today Sophie, I've got polio.'

" She's always off! It was smallpox last time🙄"

Quick question: out of all the diseases in the vaccine schedule, how did some come to be irrelevant?

Also, I don't know why certain PPs don't think diphtheria is 'relevant'. It's certainly rare but it's not eradicated; there have been cases in the UK, Australia and Europe in the last few years as well as larger outbreaks in countries like Indonesia. It's a fucker to treat and the mortality rate is 5-10% (higher in under 5s and over 40s.)

And it can take off quickly. When vaccination rates crashed after the collapse of the USSR, cases went from 1200 cases in 1990 to nearly 40,000 in 1994 in Russia alone.

Do not mess with diphtheria. The complacency about it is a bit worrying.