HPV Vaccine should i consent for my 12 year old be given this?

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A little concerned regarding the decision on this as there does seem to be some worrying side effects .

"No, but it's that decision to actually do something that makes it harder. You may or may not ever be exposed to/contract HPV/measles/polio etc but you have to actually decide to have the vaccine."

Yeah, well. That's what grown ups do.

I actually found it very interesting that such a small percentage of polio cases actually cause paralysis. We are led to believe that contracting polio nearly always resulted in time in an iron lung or a severe disability but actually, in the vast majority of cases people had no more than mild-flu like symptoms and weren't even aware that they had been infected with polio.

Yep, it's just shit when your child ends up in an iron lung.

Just like it's shit if your child ends up with a significant vaccine injury.

However, which is more common?
I've made my decisions for me DCs and me on that count.

Hakluyt - you're coming across as quite rude.

"However, which is more common?"

Now, I would say vaccine injury tbh.

Well, that's where we'll have to differ.

Would you say there are now more cases of polio in the UK than there are vaccine injuries?

I expect not (although I don't know), but it's nice to keep it like that.

"Hakluyt - you're coming across as quite rude."

Am I? Sorry. That sometimes happens when I get angry. And people peddling misinformation about vaccination makes me angry. Because people die because of that misinformation.

Just went and checked: Uk is polio free.
As are vast part of Africa now - likely NOT due to improved sanitation IMO and IME.
Like I said, I think it's worth keeping it like that.

"I expect not.."

Well then we agree. Now, vaccine injury is more common which is probably part of the reason that people struggle to make the decision.

What misinformation has been peddled here?

Yes, Pacific, I was aware that the UK was polio free. It is not vaccine-injury free.

Nope. How many polio vaccine injuries have there been?
Genuine question.

Try mhra pacific.

Now, I would say vaccine injury tbh.

you still peddling that old nonsense

"The breach is of guidance which has been formulated on a precautionary
basis
ÿ Under the European guidance foetal calf serum is in category IV (no
detectable infectivity)
ÿ Processes used in manufacturing are designed to remove unwanted protein
such as foetal calf serum
ÿ Taking all these points together, the risk associated with Medeva oral polio vaccine is incalculably small.

is that supposed to be your evidence for vaccine injury

Bruffin - why are you posting quotes about risks of vCJD( I assume from the reference to calf serum) in the live oral polio vaccine (no longer used in the UK)? Also, source?

Where are your sources for vaccine injuries! You have been asked many times over the years and never been able to actually come up with anything verifiable other than the odd anecdote on the interenet.

You were asked
How many polio vaccine injuries have there been?
your reply was
Try mhra pacific
so i googled mhra pacific polio and this was the only reliable information on supposed vaccine problems.

Please cite your sources. You can't just say 'try X body'. You should be able to produce the evidence yourself.

If I write a feature on vaccine injuries, I can't just say to the commissioning editor "oh, I think the MHRA has source material". I actually have to go and find it, and analyse it, and come to some conclusion about it.

I think "pacific" was aimed at me

Yes your right
I think i actually googled mhra vaccine injury polio
The first thing you get is the dodgy website vactruth then you get the mhra recall of the polio vaccine.

Just to say that those asking for accurate and reliable figures on vaccine injuries, are wasting their and other poster's time.

There are no accurate figures.

The government estimates that only about 1 in 10 reactions are reported. Plus there is very little done to establish what is an actual injury.

My DD reacted badly to her baby jabs and has health problems as a result. There are more of us around than you think.

I'm not saying don't vaccinate. I just get tired of hearing people spout off about reactions being "vanishingly rare" when the fact is that no one actually knows a) what the numbers are, and, b) has anything like complete information on all the potential ways an individual can react to a drug like a vaccine.

What I can tell you is that you have no way of knowing if you will be one of the unlucky ones, and if you are, you will be on your own.

From my reading, the benefits of HPV vaccines are actually not known as the vaccine hasn't been around for long enough. Any talk of it reducing cervical cancer by 70% is purely speculative and most likely vastly overstated. Conversely, reactions to the vaccine seem to be understated. There are various support groups for girls and women who have been injured by these vaccines. They make for sobering reading.

HPV vaccination is currently in an experimental phase - we don't know about long term effects, population wide effects, affect on the virus strains themselves, etc. It may turn out to be the best thing since sliced bread. But it may not. Time will tell.

"My DD reacted badly to her baby jabs and has health problems as a result. There are more of us around than you think."

I wouldn't usually do this- but you did put your personal circumstances into the mix- would you be prepared to say how you know that your child's health problems were caused by vaccination?

Excellent post Beachcomber, sorry about your dd, that is terrible.

The points that you raise are the very reasons that I will be saying "no" to the vaccine.

Interesting to hear you say "you will be on your own".

Hakluyt, I asked you earlier if you would be along to help me when my child needs 24 hour care caused by a vaccine, given to stop them passing a. disease onto someone else. You declined to answer. Shall I take that as a "no" then?