HPV Vaccine should i consent for my 12 year old be given this?

[Rewy]

A little concerned regarding the decision on this as there does seem to be some worrying side effects .

Shooting, sorry but I am going to agree with LeftRightCentre here. Your experience does sound very traumatic though and I'm sorry you had such an insensitive doctor.

Mrs Whisker Well maybe guarantee is not the right word but it will almost certainly address the risk that your DD will develop Cervical Cancer if she is exposed to one of the two strains that currently account for 70% of cases.

Of course if everyone decides not to have the vaccine those strains can continue to be widely transmitted and there is an increased chance of them developing into ever more robust and resistant varieties and the rate of Cervical Cancer and the number of women exposed to the strains that cause it will rise. For that reason alone I had no problem with any vaccination for my DDs. I did not want to be responsible for the situation that subsequently developed in the case of the MMR vaccine where Measles once again became a cause of life altering illness for the children in our society.

Well, that's silly me told! I only had a man pin me down so hard he left marks on my wrists, punched me in the face and blackened my eyes and broke my nose, throttle me until I passed out, my last thought was how my poor parents were going to react to my violent rape and murder, and then rape me vaginally and anally. I worried about STI's for months.

I never asserted that doctors are all good, either.

Rewy, I agree that there are worrying side effects, it will also be years (decades probably) until we really know how this vaccine works out. This is particularly worrying for me regarding long term side effects which we just can't know about yet. I'm not going to consent for my dd. however, I have to respect her right to consent herself but then at least it won't be my decision,. Btw, my dd will be just about the youngest in her year when they do the vaccines. I hope that if she consents against my wishes it is because she feels strongly about having it and not because she is bullied into it by a bossy school nurse.

Shooting, sorry but your logic on that is flawed.

Left Many for you, a totally traumatising experience I am sure it will take many years if ever to recover from. The sex forced on me was not nearly as violent and the effect not as traumatic but it was an exercise in power nethertheless that left me feeling much as the medical experience did. I used the word "feel" quite deliberately, to convey the subjectivity. I hope no one ever tries to place objective measures. I do believe rape is rape, the point I was making is that for me it felt like rape.

Mrs Whiskerson OK, according to you the government's logic for investing in a nationwide vaccination programme is flawed, I doubt any logic would convince you otherwise. For me it is offering my DDs a chance to avoid at least one of the Cancers I have had to experience and I strongly recommend to others that they weigh thepossibility of the real trauma of Cervical Cancer against any subjective worries you might have about vaccines (unless your DDs have genuine immune issues).

donkir I will never know if my first late miscarriage was due to an incompetent cervix BUT as a result I had a stitch put into my cervix at around 14 weeks and I did have two vaginal deliveries. The first delivery it stuck at 1 cm off full dilation for hours until they gave me a drip to hurry things up at which point it just sort of gave way and my DD shot across the room, no second stage for me! Second DD appeared complete with caul just 5 mins after I had any real pain at all (luckily we were at the hospital as DH was obsessing over the Braxton Hicks and I needed to shut him up) The midwife said if I had another to walk around with a bucket between my legs for the last three months!! Good luck I hope the same or similar for you.

Nice passive-aggro there, Shooting. It was 25 years ago. I never fully recovered, I don't think anyone goes back to being who they were after something like that.

Thanks shooting. I'm hoping so too.

All sexual assault is terrible and if a victim says they were assaulted they were. Fight the people who abuse women's bodies not each other.

By fight I mean us all politically and socially!

Interesting to read in that link MrsWhiskerson posted that cervical smears are carried out every two years in Australia. I wonder why it's 3 years here?

Smears are offered annually in Germany - I suspect at least some of that frequency is not evidence-based but driven by an 'item of service' system of renumeration for doctors .

The vaccine is about risk reduction - in the same way as when you cross the road you (hopefully) look first to reduce your risk of being hit by a car. Which can still happen.
It is entirely possible to have a high risk for something and it does not happen, or a low risk, and it does.
I still fail to see why one would not wish to reduce the risk of a common and widespread infection with a known link to one of the most common cancers affecting young women?

Wrt to genital warts - I suspect not HPV vaccine dissenters have seen florid cases of them. Google images, if you dare. They are FAR more than an inconvenience and can be difficult to treat.

those on this thread who've suffered in their different ways.

A close relative has high risk HPV. Currently awaiting results of biopsy.

My daughters are having the vaccine.

Shooting, "according to you the government's logic for investing in a nationwide vaccination programme is flawed"

I have not said that. I have said that your logic in the above statement wrt mutations and comparisons with the MMR is flawed.

"offering my DDs a chance to avoid at least one of the Cancers I have had to experience"
Again, the vaccine on its own is not enough to stop your children from getting cervical cancer. Please ensure that they are screened regularly, particularly with your family history.

"unless your DDs have genuine immune issues"

What is 'genuine' and how do you suggest that we test for these issues prior to vaccination?

Absinthe, they also start screening earlier in Australia. Some new urine tests that screen for the high risk strains of HPV are showing promising results so perhaps testing will be done more frequently and the fact that it is less invasive may encourage higher uptake.

When my (nearly due ) dd is offered the vaccine, she will have it.
I wish it's been available when I was a teen.
My cousin dues if cervical cancer at 32. I'm 33 and - long story - it's been found I had the hpv virus that caused me all sorts of cervical issues.
I had one boyfriend before my husband.
Why not protect your child?

I had one boyfriend before my husband.

Even had you been a virgin on your wedding night and your marriage been a model of faithfulness thereafter, as it appears some of the people refusing their daughters the vaccination think is likely and desireable, it would still depend on your husband's sexual history. Like a lot of "STI as punishment for being a slut" stuff (which is the hideous thinking behind a lot of this nonsense), it appears that women should be punished for their husbands' behaviour before they met, no matter how virtuous their own. Even by the slut-shaming standards of the sort of people who think like this, it still doesn't make any sense.

Thanks for accusing me of 'slut shaming' you insufferable berk.
The point I'm making is the comments about the vaccine giving young women the idea that they are safe from stis are bunk and need to be shown as so. It makes no difference, I was just pointing out that it happened to me!
I don't give a shit if I get deleted, you've really upset me with that. How dare you suggest I'm slut shaming! Thanks for that. That's really made me feel great. Feck responding on anything relating to this again.
My cousin left three young children. I'm sure she'd have loved to read you accusing be of 'slut shaming'. I'm not coming back to this. ODFOD.

Thanks for accusing me of 'slut shaming' you insufferable berk.

I honestly didn't.

I was using your point as a springboard for criticism of the same people you're criticising.

If that wasn't clear, I can only apologise.

duh - this is why I'd like the programme to extend to boys as well.

MrsW, I read about the urine test with great interest. At 19 my dd is pretty traumatised by the idea of smears, which concerns me.

this is why I'd like the programme to extend to boys as well.

It's ethically tricky to give vaccinations to people where the beneficiaries are mostly other people, and the conditions that men get which are spread by HPV are rare and/or easier to detect and to treat earlier.

And if we want to see a howl of outrage to make "you're encouraging my daughter to have sex!" look positively relaxed, just try "we're giving your son a vaccine at 12 to reduce his risk of anal cancer" on for size.

Let me just repeat my apology for being unclear in what I wrote in reply to Rosie's excellent posting.

a couple of the 12-year-olds mentioned upthread seem to have more common sense than a lot of posters here.

no, it isn't a guarantee, it is a risk reduction measure.
yes, it is given before the kids are likely to be sexually active.

there are some people for whom the risk of any vaccine is too high - immune system problems can be one reason. Hence the more healthy people that have vaccines, the better for all.

special, how do we find the ones who aren't 'healthy'?

I really hope that my sons and daughters wait until marriage for sex, like we both did, but that may not happen and, even if they do, they might marry someone who didn't. That's why my children (as I hope it will be available to boys by the time DS is old enough) will be getting the HPV vaccine.

duh, I agree. But it seems to me that any STIs, and conditions resulting from them, are a concern for both partners. Am I right in thinking that there's been a rise in oral cancer amongst men due to the prevalence of HPV?

Its a subject that rouses such strong emotions. I don't know if Rosie has gone, but I'm sorry too that she's upset. FWIW, I didn't read your post as a criticism of her at all, but it's a super-sensitive subject and sometimes hard to read others' comments objectively.

I will 100% allow my possible future daughters to have the vaccine. I just don't see why not. I will also insist on them having smears and safe sex too. I think if you can have access to a healthcare provision, for free, why the heck not?

If people are then thinking its ok for them/their daughters to shag around "risk free" and forgo smears then they need some serious education.

And sorry, but imo no "side effect" is as bad as the risk of cancer. I have an immune system disorder which i will likely pass on, but i still wouldn't say no to a vaccine.

The idea that diseases like measles are having a comeback is just outrageous. I read an article somewhere that said that children in top L.A. Private schools are less likely to be vaccinated than those in South Sudan link They think its because the parents have bought in to this anti vaccine movement.

Edward Jenner would be rolling in his grave, I swear.