All of you who CHOOSE not to vaccinate your children

[UniqueAndAmazing]

Do you realise that's the reason why there's now an epidemic of measles in Wales?

You know children with auto-immune problems, children with cancers, children with allergies that mean they can't be medicated, children who react badly to drugs?
You know them? They're suffering because of you not wanting to vaccinate your child.

You have no medical reason for not vaccinating, but plenty of reasons TO vaccinate.

You are causing a whole generation of children to be endangered from a preventable disease.

Measles can be fatal
(that means it can kill )

'Well yes, the government will look at what's best for the population as a whole, of course.'

If you believe that you'll believe anything.

They're talking about should MMR be mandatory.

Oh hell no!

DS had individual measles and mumps vaccines (his GP's recommendation at the time) and was fine. DD reacted badly to the second dose of MMR and ended up in ICU...take a guess what my response was when someone suggested DS ought to have the MMR to cover him against rubella? There's not a chance that I'll consent to either of my DC having an MMR vaccine.

Compulsion is a bad idea wrt anything medical, it damages trust and makes medicine too prescriptive - people are different.

'I can not agree more with UniqueAndAmazing. Thank you for this tread. I personally think immunizations should be compulsory for everyone.'

Therein we have the simplistic, knee-jerk reaction to the current epidemic

YANBU OP.
The totally unscientific, selfish non vaccination sheep cannot admit that they were wrong.

South Wales was always going to happen somewhere

And no I don't think vaccination should be compulsory.

However, shaky the science pushing a parent of an autistic child to vaccinate a sibling at the hight of the controversy would have be wrong. Strongly encouraging them now would not be.

DSIS reacted very strongly to her BCG, had my parents chosen not to vaccinate a younger child I would have understood.

It's not people with a direct family reason not to vaccinate that make me furious. It's the educated MC mums of 100% healthy DCs who have to find threats to their precious little darlings even where there are non. They don't have enough real dangers to worry about so they have to invent them.

I do take issue with your last para there Startail. It doesn't sound like you have thought it through.

Thank goodness you don't run the country, babySophieRose.

Startail, clearly this poster has aroused neither your understanding nor your fury.

Neither? I meant either, of course.

Either/or. Neither/nor. Hell, you know what I meant!

Personally I think you have to understand that some people may be more anxious than others. I agree with Mandragora about Startail's post.
I guess everyone does what they feel is for the best, or what they feel able or most inclined to do, in any given situation. I'm sure most/ all ? will be thinking of their DC's well-being.

I am not saying that vax should be compulsory, but vaxes are different to induction. Your choice has the potential to affect large numbers of people aside from your own child.

We're going round in circles Harriet because there is no information forthcoming on which to base an educated, informed, community centred decision let alone one based on the individual circumstance of ones own child

this is the government's fault - the more they try and direct our decisions by limiting dissemination of info, the less they are trusted and really, they ought to know better.

People often seem ot say that there is not enough information available- and this puzzles me. What do people want to know that's hard to find out?

"Parents like me want hard facts about exactly what disorders predispose to adverse reactions and what the % risk is."

Is that actually possible to provide?

If it's not possible to provide us with the same info the government uses to make its decisions as to the risk vs benefit, then I want to know why that is

I don't agree with mandatory vaccination. I also think people need to be given as much information as possible to make the right decision.

As regards the suggestions of an autism link, my understanding is that there is no medical evidence of it, so the only risk level that can be given is zero/so small that it cannot be quantified. I am not medically qualified so I can't judge the merits of the various studies but that logically has to be the answer given on the basis of current medical opinion.

lottieandmia
"I hate the way certain people seem to assume that people who haven't vaccinated are just selfish people thinking 'I'm alright Jack' with not a care in the world when nothing could actually be further from the truth.

I have a child who is severely disabled - she's 11. I won't be giving her more vaccines because I don't dare mess with her tbh - she has a very complex profile. She's not vaccinated against measles but of course I worry about her catching the disease as I feel she may also react badly to that. So it's not like I can go to bed thinking everything's fine."

are you another one that didn't read the OP properly then?

the fact that your child could be more at risk from being vaccinated than not being, is why it's soooooooooooooooooooo very important that those who can be vaccinated ARE.
So that you don't have to be put in a position where you have to risk your child's health when it's already so fragile just because other people who don't have such concerns are too fucking selfish to do so.

FFS

I definitely do not think that vaccinations should be compulsory.

Because then you will end up with cases where children that really, really should not be vaccinated being villified for it.

It really, really should be down to the personal health of that child.
(not the personal whims of a parent deciding that the herd will protect them or that leaves will help their child if they get it. Ir that they'll stay at om if someone they know has it )

you have a point but many parents find themselves in the not knowing what to do group, and they shouldn't be vilified for being unsure.

your gun is pointing the wrong way iyswim