GP not being very helpful regarding Circumcision

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I went to see the GP recently at the first check-up after DS2 was born, and I said that because DS1 was circumcised (-he was born in US, where it kind of gets done as a routine just after boys are born-), we wanted to get DS2 done as well, while he's still a newborn. I was really surprised when the GP tried to talk me out of getting it done, which means that I'm a bit lost as to where next to turn to get this done. I can understand that circumcision isn't available on the NHS, which is fine, but if I want to go private, don't I need a GP referral? Should I just seek a second GP's opinion?
Anyone have any experience of getting their boys circumcised in a culture that generally doesn't do it?

MrsMicawber - I also don't agree with circumcision for anything other than medical reasons.

Ohm and you mention it being no worse than ear piercing. Well, I wouldn't have a baby or young child's ears pierced either. I think it is unnecessary and not a pleasant thing to do. I will wait until my DD is old and mature enough to decide for herself which, for ear piercing, I think 10/11 years at least.

Why would a father need his son's penis to look like his own?

My DD looks like me in her facial appearance. I can honestly say I have never wondered if she looks like me in other areas of her body tbh!

Do people really think that their son's penis should look like their father's?

And the whole cleaner/more hygenic thing? If that was truely the case, wouldn't evolution have dealt with the foreskin by now itself?

Some people just want to make you vomit.

Nothing else to add, as abusers often don't care or see what they are doing or have done is wrong.
I don't have respect for religion anyway, i consider most people who blindly follow rules like cutting off babies body parts so they will be accepted, down right stupid and depressing.

TBH i find it strange that religious people don't consider their 'gods' work good enough and feel like they have to make a correction?!

End of the day OP, he is your baby, but its not your body you are choosing to chop up is it?
I wonder how you would of felt if your mum chose to cut a part of you to make you look prettier in her eyes?
He is perfect the way he is, why do you think otherwise?

That "plastibell" thing seriously looks like an instrument of torture.

You have got to be so sick to want to do this to a baby.

The babies that don't cry are going into shock, it's so horrific

I wonder how many people on here have pierced a child's ears...? I do not think the two are equivalent, no, but the argument that any procedure or 'mutilation' of a cild's body is automatically wrong regardless of cultural beliefs, does seem to cover that occasion as well.

I would choose not to do it. There are actually a few recent studies suggesting a possible medical benefit, albeit indirectly, with relationship to the spread of cervical cancer and STDs, but these are not far enough along to be conclusive and were not ultimately persuasive to me.

Having said that, the judgement on this thread is really appalling. If the OP had asked our opinions, that would be one thing, but she didn't. She asked for advice in obtaining a perfectly legal medical procedure that she and her spouse decided upon. If she were jewish, i wonder if the replies would be different.

Oh, and ALL surgery has risks attached to it. EVERY single surgery, regardless of how small or large, or how long it takes, etc. Yes, the risk may be small. But it is still there. There is still some risk.

So, unnecessary surgery, such as a circumcision, puts a child at risk.

That is a fact. Not opinion.

Not strictly true cockneydad if there is a genuine medical reason, not retractable foreskin not even a little bit and causing other health issues and general malaise from reoccurring bacterial infection, good surgeon will advice circumcision sooner rather then later not waiting for the puberty, in some cases is very clear, circumcision is the only way, sadly for my boy and others like him.
If we waited for DS to reach his puberty and still had to do it, he would have been mortified, this way DS is 17 we don't talk about it, he knows he is different, I presume everything is fine, put it this way I haven't seen the object in question for a while

Piercing a non-consenting baby/child's ears is pretty wrong too, though not as bad as circumcision as it does less damage and carries less risk. But really, bodily integrity should be a fundamental right.

What flavour religion you subscribe to is irrelevant. Plenty of disgusting, morally wrong things are done in the name of religions.

brdgirl, previous threads about circumcision would suggest not, the attitude is pretty consistent regardless of the religious/cultural reason/excuse.

Actually my 11yo dd's earlobes aren't pierced and I would say that piercing, whatever one's view is not on the same scale, your earlobes can close back over for instance.

all our 3 dcds pierced their ears when there were old enough to make an informed decision (around 14 yo)
i am dead against piercing baby's or a small child's ears

Sorry strictloving - I was thinking of someone I knew that has a problem in that area that occurred later on, I should have thought more before putting fingers to keyboard. My main point is that it should only be done if necessary from a medical point of view, glad that your lad is (as far as you can tell!) OK :)

As far as I can tell he is fine cockneydad, not lacking female attention and all that, everything must be working in order,

brdgrl - I would absolutely give the same reply to a Jewish or Muslim parent. And the OP is asking for advice on how to do something that many of us find abhorrent, and is therefore going to be judged.

What is alarming to me is your assertion that "everybody" does it in Canada and it's not a problem. My issue would be, why is a whole nation perpetuating a cultural practice without questioning it? (In fact I'm sure there are many Canadians who don't accept the status quo and are not afraid to challenge this sheep-like behaviour of "I did it because everybody else does it").

So if the op was asking advice on how to get an abortion which some people find abhorrent, would it make it ok to judge? And would it be ok to post videos of complications, horror story Links, silent scream etc etc?

I am still failing to see why it is ok to do this but not that?

Me too leonie. No double standards here!

Popbiscuit, I refer you to my previous post, it may be normal in your country, it isn't here.

I fail to see what abortion had got to do with circumcision

How is male circumcision for non medical reasons any different than female circumcision. However some cultures advocate it, does that make it right???
You can bet anyone looking to get a circumcision for their daughter cause it 'looks better' would be shown the door and reported to social services. Disgusting

nailak - I think abortion is slightly different insofar as the wellbeing of two people are involved - the baby and the mother - and pregnancy may have an adverse physical or mental effect on the mother. As far as I am aware, abortions are not carried out for reasons of aesthetics or "cleanliness".

Oh look, look where expressing my opinion gets me 'Message deleted by Mumsnet' cheers MNHQ!

OTT the point is recently there was a thread about a woman who wanted an abortion and a poster posted pro life stuff, one poster, and there was an uproar about it,

leonie and bumbley, i must have missed you on that thread,

so i was just trying to figure out why the mumsnet jury allows people to voice their moral objections and try and change the minds of people on one subject, but another subject they are not.