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A fête worse than the Chalet School

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EmilyAlice · 29/06/2015 13:30

Roll up, roll up!
Bid for a mortgage on the doll's house! Pin the tail on the St Bernard! Guess the weight of the handsome doctor! (Or pin the tail on the doctor and guess the weight of the St Bernard). Knit a lime green liberty bodice against the clock!
The Chalet School fête is open.....

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EatingMyWords · 10/04/2016 18:41

Miss Annersley mentions the 'awful student riots' when there's some noise in the valley in one of the last books when Mary-Lou turns up once, I think. Is it Redheads? It turns out to be bank robbers IIRC- or kidnappers!

MyVisionsComeFromSoup · 10/04/2016 18:50

It's Jo who's sniffy about the grubby students, I think, but I can't remember offhand who it is she's escorting.
Is Jo to the Rescue not on the Onedrive? I'm sure I got it from there originally?

hels71 · 10/04/2016 18:52

Isn't it Jo when she is bringing Erica back after handily bumping into her in London?

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 10/04/2016 22:53

Came home from a few nights away to a package from Cheddar - yay! Thank you - currently containing much LR excitement. (I have been taking the 'too restful' air of the New Forest. I disagree with EBD - it has suited me just fine!)

On dating the series - for almost all matters I prefer to assume that each book is set in the year it was published (or at least, written - so maybe a year prior to publication). With added provisos about EBD growing increasingly disconnected from/disapproving of Modern Life in the later books. I'm mostly comfortable with this approach, which is basically accepting that the internal timescale of the series is funny (it is true that ML is 11ish in 1948ish in Three Go; it is simultaneously true that ML is 18ish and off to college in the late 1960s in godI'veforgottenwhichtitle). However, it does make broader questions like "what generation is ML a part of?" impossible to sensibly answer, though. It creates similar problems at the other end of the series too (eg trying to guess the pre-CS experiences of those characters who are old enough not that I spend too much time wondering about such things). Mostly for these matters I just pick the viable option that best suits my own whims, and try to remind myself that They Are Not Real People so making the impossible accurate isn't actually essential...

morningtoncrescent62 · 11/04/2016 13:28

Isn't it Jo when she is bringing Erica back after handily bumping into her in London?

I thought Erica was in some way implicated in the stealing adoption of Marie-Claire. Strangely, all I can remember is the phrase 'the child behaved well' when she had to be lifted out of the carriage window after the train crash. I can't remember how the attachment between her and MC happened. Or what led up to Erica being on the train with Jo in the first place. Isn't it funny what sticks in the memory?

On dating the series - for almost all matters I prefer to assume that each book is set in the year it was published (or at least, written - so maybe a year prior to publication)...Mostly for these matters I just pick the viable option that best suits my own whims, and try to remind myself that They Are Not Real People so making the impossible accurate isn't actually essential...

I think what I tend to do with the later books is persuade myself that in the 1960s there were schools that still inhabited a 1930s school story universe. I went to a Direct Grant girls' school in the 1970s (which at the time meant it was kind of halfway between a fee-paying independent school and a council school) and there were certainly a few girls there who wouldn't have been out of place in the Swiss books - and I went to a fair few birthday parties of the 'topping tea and party games' variety well into their hostess's teenage years. So although I'm sometimes tempted to date everything from the triplets' ages in Three Go in an attempt to 'keep it real', I mostly prefer to think that the CS world was still viable when EBD was penning the end of the series.

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 11/04/2016 20:53

mornington did you ever play slidey mats at these parties? You win at life if the answer is yes and I shall be forever envious

EElisavetaOfBelsornia · 11/04/2016 21:09

I bet there were progressive games Envy

MargotsDevil · 12/04/2016 12:24

I need to thank Mornington for the extreme lack of productivity in my house yesterday whilst I devoured the Margaret Bettany Headmistress saga. I only wish someone had warned me it's a work in progress! Would someone mind explaining the one drive to me? And possibly PM me the login?

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 12/04/2016 14:39

Have PMed you Margot!

morningtoncrescent62 · 12/04/2016 15:49

Hehehehe, sorry Margot. But it's not really my fault - if only you'd got into the right habits of steady work at an early age this wouldn't have happened.

I don't remember playing slidey mats or progressive games Sad. We played that one where you have to put on several layers of clothing and eat chocolate with a knife and fork quite a lot.

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 13/04/2016 09:51

My lambs, I have now read Stepsisters For Lorna! It was such a solid lump of comfort, if I may apply that phrase to a non-doctor. All the old staples of an EBD book - some really dodgy parenting decisions, an aunt who steps in heroically, a feud, a seemingly mild injury that turned into a major drama requiring months of nursing and lying flat, followed by a somewhat hasty reconciliation scene out of the blue. I don't know if any of you have read Lorna at Wynyards, but if you haven't, Lorna's mum sends her off to stay with her aunt because Lorna's report says she is bumptious. Lorna is heartbroken because her mother is a total cow and farms her out rather than actually parent her herself, and refuses to let her go home for holidays. The aunt is nice and Lorna Makes Good. Her dad dies and her mother decides to go on a trip to Madeira with her daughter-in-law who is delicate. Lorna will stay with her aunt for the rest of her schooldays.

Stepsisters For Lorna opens about 6-9 months later, when Lorna's mother sends the most ridiculous letter you've ever heard to her sister (the nice aunt). She coolly informs her that she's getting married again, less than a year since her previous husband died, because she has met a delicate man who needs her to look after him. Romantic. Said man is a widower with two daughters of his own. One of them is very spoilt and tantrums like a three-year-old, despite being 13. Lorna's mother wants her sister to board them and send them to school with Lorna. Now, at this point I would be going "fuck off, Bess, deal with your own stepchildren. I am not nannying a spoilt 13 year-old who is fuck all to do with me. While you're at it, perhaps you could actually come back from Madeira for long enough to explain to your daughter why you're getting married again so quickly and deal with the fall-out re her feelings of betrayal of her dead dad." None of the children are invited to the wedding - the stepsisters have already been farmed out to the aunt, and neither Lorna nor her numerous adult siblings are invited either. The weird thing is that both girls (Rosemary and Marigold, who are pretty much dead ringers for Gillian and Joyce Linton in terms of looks and character) seem to like the mother. It's weird - her behaviour is pretty similar to, say, the Carricks, or Theodora Grantley's mother, but EBD presents it totally differently - Aunt Katt is not especially pleased to be asked to do all this, but at no point does she actually criticise her sister.

Anyway, naturally Marigold causes ructions. She is pretty irredeemedly BAD for most of the book, only to very suddenly repent at the end. I thought she was an interesting departure for EBD, because she is actually pretty nasty and spiteful for a main character.

My one quibble with Stepsisters is that EBD had clearly been reading What Katy Did just before she wrote it - she does reference Katy directly quite a lot and there is much discussion about a similar spinal injury. We have that old favourite of sprained back muscles, and the treatment is similar to that of Eustacia - basically, forget about physio, let's lie very still and flat.

But all in all, it was a lovely comforting delight to read! It was published in 1947 - there's a hospital admission where the doctor (another Dr Russell!) wants to keep Marigold for an extra month or two so Sister can squash her thoroughly and return her a much nicer girl - imagine that in the NHS! Oh, and at Christmas someone gets a new Josephine Bettany Grin and a Phyllis Matthewman - wasn't she EBD's 'adopted sister'?

hels71 · 13/04/2016 18:39

I love the Lorna books! Now i have finished the La Rochelles I may have to re-read them! I always feel so sorry for Lorna!

MargotsDevil · 13/04/2016 19:40

This is true Mornington and sadly could be applied to various areas of my life currently giving the ironing an evil look but nevertheless I've spent the last couple of days (assigned for chilling during school holidays to be fair) fully investigating the library!

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 13/04/2016 21:21

Ooh, me too on the happily emerging from happy EBD mists! I've just finished Gerry... It's been such a long time, I think, since I read good EBD for the first time. I think I managed to read all of the Tyrol and wartime CS books when I was young, so while it's been lovely to revisit them as an adult, there was something really enjoyable about reading EBD-at-her-best with fresh eyes.
And it's all so comfortably familiar too - as soon as there was a mention of ice skating of course I knew exactly what would happen, and how it would pan out.

I was interested in how she uses the 'maternal eldest daughter' idea here. There are obvious similarities with Len, especially at a couple of moments where the daughter avoids upsetting her worried mother or sends her mother off to bed, but it completely worked for me here in a way that poor Len never does. I think mostly because the eldest daughter in Gerry is clearly an actual adult, who is neither working nor studying, although perhaps also because the character seems better suited to it (more driven by love than duty?) and because the mother is a far more appealing character than adult Joey.

I now v much want to read the Lorna books! But for now I am v much looking forward to starting A Head Girl's Difficulties.

EElisavetaOfBelsornia · 14/04/2016 22:52

I'm having a fantastic Abbey fest thanks to Cheddar. No Alps so far, but Travellers Joy does exclaim "My hat!" quite a lot. (Did I win?)

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 17/04/2016 18:29

Have finished CS World now, courtesy of Nell! I liked it a lot, but her Middles' japes don't really come off, IMO. But I loved all the Grizel bits. One regret was that there wasn't more of the Staff or Bill/the Abbess slash

morningtoncrescent62 · 17/04/2016 18:48

Oh, my hat! I forgot to tell you who it was. Are you reading the incomparable Abbey Girls Go Back to School as part of your Abbeyfest, EElisaveta? If so, you'll meet the character who says it, but I don't actually think she does so in that book. She has a bit part - sharing lodgings with Our Heroines.

What's CS World?

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 17/04/2016 20:56

Chalet School World - Helen Barber, 12 short stories dotted throughout the series. Pretty good!

I'm now on The Bettanys of Taverton High, and am wondering why Jo doesn't seem to be fluent in French yet. They must have gone to see Les Invalides or wherever it was that Jo threw flowers through the railing by now, surely, if Madge is already 24? And when did they go to Spartz and the Tiernsee and make the acquaintance of good Frau Pfeiffen, who wept with joy on beholding her beloved Fraulein Jo again? Maybe that comes later in this book. I haven't read much of it yet.

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 17/04/2016 20:57

But I am glad to note a passing reference to Clara the spiteful cat of a maid. Jolly good!

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 17/04/2016 21:08

Oh! Innsbruck and Paris have already happened. I do wonder if there will be a third prequel to fill in that bit, as some of you were speculating a while back. It seems odd to miss it out.

TrainBridge · 17/04/2016 21:23

I was inspired by this thread to look up the Marie-Claire book (Summer Term?) on the One Drive, but it's not there. I think that and the one when they first meet Phoebe are the only ones I haven't read. If anyone had copies they were happy to lend I would look after them very carefully indeed..

morningtoncrescent62 · 18/04/2016 21:12

TrainBridge, I have Summer Term. If you PM me your address I can send it.

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 21/04/2016 21:27

I am loving the La Rochelles. Happy happy. Have finished the first two so far and going to start Maids as soon as I've quickly rambled about A Head Girl's Difficulties...

It's interesting to spot all the essential EBD ingredients in (one of) their first incarnation(s). The reluctant head girl angst is much easier to buy here than Mary Lou generations later. Grin Mrs Atherton also seems very very much like the same mother Jo is later supposed to be - young literally (36 in this book, with the same sort of incredulous/admiring comments about her being married at 18 that Peggy Bettany, Josette Russell etc make) very actively interested in her daughters' school adventures and with great insight about schoolgirls, sometimes can act just like a friend rather than a parent. They're a nice family. I can see a bit why EBD would have wanted that for Joey.

It is interesting to read the anti-sentimental campaign stuff. I understand that it's completely of its time (v big theme in Dimsie etc) but it's curious against the backdrop of EBD apparently being herself very given to gushing and passionate attachments and stuff, according to her biography and other accounts. I can't help wondering whether she had any awareness of this juxtaposition, and I somehow suspect not.
There's also something interesting from a modern perspective about how the prefects address the sentimental girl in the sixth form - they basically bully her out of it, and while the reasoning for why this is the only feasible plan is solid, you just wouldn't see that sanctioned today, would you? Likewise the bit where the wise but curt doctor snaps at Rosamund for becoming 'sentimental' about dying children!

Also - someone says "I - I didn't think!", Carola style. Grin

hels71 · 22/04/2016 07:45

I am always slightly bemused by Rosamund's criticism of Adelicia being known as Blossom...which is the very name she chooses for her own daughter later on!

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 25/04/2016 10:52

I've never noticed that, Hels - Blossom is a particularly weird name, isn't it? I don't think it's even a nickname - does it say at the beginning of Janie Steps In?

Nell, the bit about being sentimental about dying children - it is so weird! Did you read the article that's included about that? It just strikes me as so harsh and cold and really quite jarring, given the pathos about Joey nearly dying in Rivals or Miss Annersley in Gay From China.

TrainDrive, I can send you Jo To The Rescue if you PM me your address. And then I will circulate it to anyone else - I am never going to finish transcribing it! If anyone is more focused than I am, I can email them the first 4 chapters once they have been sent the book, and you can carry on where I left off! (She says, mixing pronouns liberally.)

Please may I borrow Summer Term, Mornington, once Train is done with it? It's possibly the only one I haven't got now (although I have read it in the past).

Nell, I will post Seven Scamps to you!

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