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New Home for the Chalet School

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Vintagejazz · 15/08/2014 20:15

Welome everyone. Dormy lists on the board as usual and I know you are all hoping like mad that you are all not in the same dormitory as Mary Lou. But only some of you can be the un lucky ones and the rest of us will have to make do with each other.

Oh, and the good news is that Joey has sabotaged discovered something wrong with the roof on her house and believe it or not, the only property available to rent is right next door to the school.

Shit Hurrah, lucky us.

Got to go. Matey wants me for unpacking.

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Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 12/09/2014 17:00

On a roll.

And wouldn't Jack get pissed off that every crisis at the school they need him? He's supposed to be so busy but any call from Hilda about a missing pupil or a flood he's off.

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 12/09/2014 17:26

But he is the solid lump of comfort thebody! Nobody can cope without him!

Though Michael Christy seemed to be fairly useful too...

Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 12/09/2014 17:49

Funny that my dh is a solid lump too. Grin

Yes Michael Christie took to the role in the Canada days didn't he.

Thank God for that. How would those women have coped with their weak wrists for all of Rosalie's fine driving.

Love it really, Smile

Vintagejazz · 12/09/2014 21:34

Yes I love it all really. There was an essential decency, respect and consideration at the heart of everything that makes me wish sometimes that I live in a chalet school type community where certain values are assumed.

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NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 12/09/2014 21:50

And me. Even when I'm grumbling at the bits that jump out as being most at odds with that stuff (like EBD's treatment of Sybil or Eustacia) - that's why - because for the most part it's just really, really nice. Is why it makes perfect undemanding escapism IMO.

Also all the familiar lines which make me smile: Matey's heart's darling, eyes that never yet needed glasses, that's where your toes turn in, an excellent thing in a woman...

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 12/09/2014 21:50

Yes - I think it's partly the piety and sanctity of the early books (thinking particularly about the 'falling asleep to wake with God' bit in Head Girl) - everyone is so sure that God is looking after them. Prayer always achieves exactly what the heroine of the moment wants it to, whether it's Eustacia in her tiny cleft in the rock watching the flood waters rising and praying for salvation, or Grizel praying on the Tiernjoch. Add to that the pampering and the comfort - have a sniffle? Week in the San with all meals brought to you! Stand at the door for 5 minutes? Orange juice in water and the Thermogene (which I had to Google). It is so comforting. No one ever really faces terrible moments, they all just faint away. Even Mademoiselle Lepattre sways on her feet when they realise Eustacia is missing, and then Matey pops up and drugs her and she has to be carried to bed by Herr Anserl. EBD definitely had a thing about unconscious women being carried around by big brawny men, didn't she? It's a combination of comfort reading and mad melodrama. I lurves it.

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 12/09/2014 22:09

I think my absolute favourite "here, have a tranquilliser" moment is the one in Reunion where some random German teenage girl gets (quite reasonably, IMO) hysterical in the mountain cable car thingy - Margot slaps her and then Hilary Graves gives her a couple of pills to calm her nerves! Did people really carry around tranquillisers just in case they came across a hysterical stranger??

I love that 'falling asleep to wake up with god' passage. I don't even know why. I am not at all religious. Thinking sensibly, I know it's sentimentalist nonsense, even aside from it being something I don't believe in. And yet I read it and go awwww...

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 12/09/2014 22:10

Chalet Girls Grow Up

WARNING: contains spoilers

I know CGGU is seen by some to be written as though the author hates the CS. I don't think that at all. I think it's actually very well-thought out, if a bit overdramatic in places in best EBD tradition. It's just very bleak - it's been grounded a bit too well in reality, if you ask me.

Take Len and Reg, for instance. What would you expect to happen when a sheltered Catholic schoolgirl marries a much older man who is repeatedly described in Jo Returns as having a chip on his shoulder? Especially when Reg's boss is Len's father. So when the story opens, the San has started to fail as TB is virtually eradicated in Europe, Reg wants to move to America, and he and Len have 4 kids (2 boys and twin girls). Reg feels stifled by the kids but Len as a good Catholic doesn't believe in birth control. We have some episodes of domestic violence (including marital rape) with heartbreaking scenes where the eldest son tries to protect Len. Then Mary-Lou appears back on the Platz and she and Reg fall in love. It's not written as 'Mary-Lou the manstealer', but rather that Reg admires her for what she's achieved (with incredible double standards because he never gave Len the chance to achieve anything or to really grow up and establish herself as an adult). That all rings pretty true to me. What Merryn Williams seems to be missing there is that Mary-Lou is unfailingly described as kind. She would never have done that to Len, IMO.

The other main thing is that as soon as the action moves away from the Platz, it seems to lose the Chalet School flavour. The character Con becomes doesn't seem at all like her, and I really don't like the portrayal of Margot, although I think her storyline is quite clever. It's more that Margot becomes really grim and humourless, which I don't think is right. In the real thing, she's always portrayed as quite light-hearted when she's not being jealous and/or raging.

After Jack kills himself, Len and Joey move to England and live in Plas Gwyn with Len's children. The most unrealistic part of the whole book is that Joey is totally sidelined - she goes slightly dotty, is dropped by her publisher but carries on writing books anyway, which pile up in her study. But she turns into a peripheral character who hardly ever makes an appearance. That just doesn't have the true ring to me - Jo the Ever-Ready, not centre of attention wherever she went? Especially when she could be busily being the most annoying granny that ever lived, telling Len what to do and how to cope?

Oh, and the School itself has to shut down - Sybil and Josette turn up to represent Madge's shares in the business, and refuse to vote to save it. Sybil because she's mercenary and wants the cash released, and Josette because she's decided single-sex boarding schools are anathema.

All in all, it was interesting but after a while you almost forget who the characters are supposed to be - they grow into quite boring middle-aged women who don't really achieve anything. It's quite realistic in that probably most people do just that, but it's nothing like reading EBD.

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 12/09/2014 22:24

You're forgetting the Joey-falls-in-the-box incident, Nell! She wasn't even "busy" at that point.

Jack: OMG! You fell in a box! Quick, here comes the special milk!

It even beats the Jo-stands-at-the-door-for-5-minutes bit. "Jo! How could you? Come with me at once!"

DeWee · 12/09/2014 22:42

I would like to live in a Chalet School community with someone else to do all the cooking and any other housework and pack me off to bed at the hint I might be stressed/tired/ill.

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 13/09/2014 08:34

God me too DeWee.

Cheddar hahaha, yes, I had forgotten about when Joey falls into a box and requires immediate sedation. That's also a particularly brilliant example of mad CS dosing.

Thanks for the CGGU spoilers/criticism. I really really don't think I want to introduce that kind of depressing reality into the soothing self-contained CS world. I actually don't mind discussing any of that stuff, I don't think - what if blah blah awful realistic thing happened? - but I don't want it written into a proper plausible story...

EatingMyWords · 13/09/2014 09:32

I see the Chalet school as fantasy land rather than remotely realistic so just treat it like any fantasy fiction and buy into the world view presented when I read it. So I totally see Jo as a fun-loving adult who's caring and stuff Grin

GoogleyEyes · 13/09/2014 13:01

The "falling asleep to awake with God" bit gets me every time, too. Despite not believing a word of it. I'm not sure if it's a sign that EBD really could write, or just that a sign that I love sentimental melodrama... That bit where Jacynth receives the posthumous letter from her aunt also gets me.

RobinHumphries · 13/09/2014 18:58

For those that are interested this gives a fairly detailed synopsis of CGGU.

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 13/09/2014 20:05

Thanks Robin - I've just read it. I have a question to those who've read CGGU - that sounds like an awful lot of 'bad stuff', with hardly any good stuff at all balancing it. Is that a fair assessment? Is it actually believable in this unrelenting 'bad stuff happens' way (do I only think it's so depressing because I can't help comparing it with the CS which is mostly the opposite?) or is it almost as implausible for this lack of balance? (Is/was real life really this miserable?)

DeWee · 13/09/2014 20:18

The letter from Jacynth's aunt is really Sad; one of the most emotional stuff EBD wrote really. Funny because we don't even meet her, but it's much more emotional than Mademoiselle or Jack or any of the others deaths (or apparent death in Jack's case).

I wish though that Gay's sister (or mum, whoever was visiting the aunt in hospital) had come to see Jacynth and brought the letter rather than inevitable Joey. It would have given them a lovely bond.
I also felt that it was mean to have had the funeral etc. and not told Jacynth until 3/4 days later. Seemed rather unfeeling to me, she should have been the first to know.

hels71 · 13/09/2014 20:37

But wasn't Jacynth seriously ill herself at the time?? I'm feeling all teary just thinking about that bit...

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 13/09/2014 20:43

Well, in theory CGGU has a happy ending in that Len and Tony Barrass hook up. In practice it is a bit unrelenting doom and gloom. And even the Len/Tony bit is marred by the fact that Con has been hankering after Tony for years, never says anything, and then realises he fancies Len and nobly subliminates her love for Tony in her greater love for Len. Or something. It all just rings a bit weirdly - you get the impression that Tony really isn't all that, it's just that he's the only other male character of roughly the right age that exists in canon, so he has to be the hero, but Merryn Williams fails to work him up into a decent male lead. I think it's worked out quite well, but Len and Con both lead pedestrian boring lives for most of it, and you hardly get into Margot's head at all. And none of the other siblings seem particularly fulfilled or happy, especially Felicity.

Have just picked up Mystery - Mary Burnett takes Dorcas to the hospital and is driven home by a doctor. Is this the "nice doctor man" she later becomes engaged to and goes off to live with in Aberdeen? I never noticed that before, but it must be, mustn't it? I can't remember another incident where Mary Burnett meets a doctor while presiding over an accident.

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 13/09/2014 21:07

Yes Cheddar I assumed it was that doctorhusband, though I believe it's never properly confirmed. Tbf, and I know five is already quite a lot, but there are only five such marriages, aren't there? Madge, Jo, Mary Burnett, Biddy and Hilary. Have I missed anyone?

CGGU sounds a lot like Eastenders - he dies, she dies, that one got divorced, that other one had a child die, on and on and on. And nobody's happy, because your best shot at happiness is marrying some unremarkable middle-aged man your sister fancies. Grin I know some people do think of this as v realistic, but I was always much more about Corrie, where there's plenty of cheerful comic relief to counter-balance the misery. (Then CS is altogether more Dallas...)

I always get a lump in my throat when I read Jacynth's letter from her aunt. Too sad. And yes, Gay's sister/mother, or alternatively Bill, would have made a much better person than bloody Joey, resident bereavement expert.

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 13/09/2014 21:34

And Grizel! Do Daisy, Bette Rincini and Gisela count? They don't meet on-screen, but they do marry doctors. Then we have Bruno von Ahlen, who starts off as a doctor but then changes to be summat else. Oh, and Phoebe Wychcote/Peters.

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 13/09/2014 21:47

Ah, if you relax the mistress requirement there're a lot more, aren't there! Hundreds. Grin But yes, Grizel makes six. I think only Mary, Biddy and Hilary get their doctor by throwing the nearest Middle into a pond/down the stairs, though. (Why am I saying 'only three' as if that makes it in any way less remarkable?)

In the earlier books, there's a definite theme of 'marry a vague non-doctor and disappear to the outer reaches of the empire', too.

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 13/09/2014 21:48

Indeed, in the case of Mollie Maynard I think her vague non-doctor goes through three or four different names...

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 13/09/2014 22:13

Sorry, I forgot about my Mistresses criteria. Blush

Grin at throwing the nearest Middle into a pond/downstairs!

DeWee · 13/09/2014 23:38

only three Shock I thought it was about half the married females!

Does Madge count, Jem met her when he saved her from the burning train?

Flappingandflying · 14/09/2014 17:24

Has anyone got a transcript of Peggy they could send me?