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40 and sad.

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Prettylittlethings4 · 09/01/2025 19:02

Hi all,

We don’t have kids. Not because we’re actively childfree or anything, or because we’ve tried and can’t. It’s just because it’s never been a priority or even a thought for many years

At 35 ish I did start thinking about it, then we had Covid, and now I’m feeling a bit old and torn.

So here are my thoughts on having kids;

  • I feel like a failure at life for not ‘ticking the box’.
  • I worry about ‘not having a family’
  • i worry I’m missing out on a huge part of life
  • I feel like I’m not ‘growing up’ or moving forward in life.
  • but then, what’s a family… I mean so many have kids and it doesn’t go well!
  • So many people in care homes are alone, no matter what
  • young people can be really selfish and people are people, kids are just more people!
  • its really hard work!
  • Id want to have kids for the right reasons.. to nurture and develop a little life, im not sure if id have that drive in the clear light of day!
  • The grunt work of parenting does not appeal!
  • im 40! Even if I want kids, is it even a good idea. I mean, I’m not as energetic as I’d need to be! (I am healthy)
  • sometimes things don’t happen for a reason..
  • my dog irritates me when she’s nagging to play… how would I be with a small human!
  • id need to be Mum, I’d prefer the role of Dad! Not due to my partner, just society.

I’m not sure what I want from this post. I know I don’t want questions and scrutiny on my life…. Maybe I’m looking for validation and others experiences… or to know I’m not alone in this feeling. And any tips on just living in the moment! I’m a planner.. I have a career, house, healthy finances etc.. I’m irritatingly planned and structured! (I annoy myself… sometimes wish I’d been a reckless younger person and ‘ended up’ with a family! But I’m ‘sensible’ and all that… it’s irritating! I’m irritated by me because I’m too controlling!!

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username299 · 09/01/2025 19:20

If you really wanted children wouldn't you have had them by now? You say you're a planner. Surely they would have been planned.

It comes across to me as you're panicking because there's a box you haven't ticked off that grown ups apparently do.

Not having children flies in the face of convention and how many people are brought up. It's as though you're feeling societal pressure and you're putting that pressure on yourself.

KnickerlessParsons · 09/01/2025 19:27

It's not too late to have children. There's a thread on MN about women having children in their 40s. My friend had her daughter at 45.
Or there's adoption. Have you thought about that?

Saschka · 09/01/2025 19:28

It’s just because it’s never been a priority or even a thought for many years

That doesn’t sound like somebody who actively wants children.

You say you’d rather be dad than mum, and I suspect many men feel similarly to you but have kids because their wife is nagging them. But that only works if one parent is prepared to pick up the slack and do all the day to day parenting - you can’t have two disengaged Disney dads.

thejadefish · 09/01/2025 19:33

You're not a failure and family is what you make it, in many ways. Being a parent is hard work and relentless so you need to want it - absolutely use your head but your heart has to be all in too. If its not you're probably best staying as you are. You're missing out on one aspect of life by being child free sure but then again I'm also missing out on an aspect of life due to being a parent. If you do have a child you'll want to nurture and develop them so don't worry about that, and yes your child would irritate you some days too but that's not limited to children everyone is annoying at some point lol and that you've given it a lot of thought is very much a positive. Really though it boils down to what is it that you (& your partner) want and do you feel like someone is missing? Personally I wasn't sure whether I wanted children but the desire gradually crept up on me after 30 and I think I could easily have been in the same situation, wondering if I should have gone down that path. It's a big decision, I'm sure you're not the only one to feel this way.

2025GB · 09/01/2025 19:38

I think age 40 is the time you start thinking you could regret not having had kids.

You could still have them if you get going but you will be an older parent or you just accept you are not a parent and you get on with life maybe always wondering at the back of your mind or actually feeling quite lonely especially as you age. If you look ahead to 50 or 60 what do you want your life to look like?

2025GB · 09/01/2025 19:39

How does your partner feel? You don’t mention that.

LostittoBostik · 09/01/2025 19:51

It's not too late if you really want to... but reading your post, I think you already know it's not for you and that's why you haven't done it.

You can't imagine how much worse the grunt work is than expected and how much more exhausting and irritating children are than you imagine in the abstract. They push you to your limit.

Of course the joy and the love is absolutely off the scale and more than makes up for it - but as someone who really wanted to be a mother and is glad that I did it, I'm not 100 per cent sure I'd make the same choice again if I knew what I knew now beforehand. Of course I say that while also knowing that I couldn't bear to be without my DC now.

What I'm trying to say is that it isn't an easy or uncomplicated thing, and I think it sounds like you avoided it because it never felt right.

The issues around how society treats you and/or makes you feel (eg not "grown up") are very valid and real problems - but they are a problem with society, not you. Being child free is a perfectly equally valid life choice and you are worth every bit as much as those of us who are parenting.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 09/01/2025 19:56

I think people should only have children if they really, really eant them. Your post strongly suggests you are - at most - not fussed.

Who cares whether convention lists it as part of being grown up? There are all sorts of social conventions that are daft and unreasonable, and it's logically impossible to tick every single box in all the myriad options of how to live a life.

StormingNorman · 09/01/2025 19:59

You don’t want children. You’re just having wobble about whether you’ve made the right decision because your window is closing.

Blossom001 · 09/01/2025 20:43

Hi, I’m in a very similar place to you, though I’m in my early 30s. Like you, I’m facing a lot of questions about motherhood and my own feelings around it. I’ve noticed that people are often quick to judge—if you didn’t try for kids earlier, they assume it wasn’t a priority for you. But I think this is more complex. I think that people who always wanted and dreamed about children could never understand that feeling of being unsure....

For most of my life, I didn’t want children—or at least, I told myself I didn’t. I didn’t feel maternal, and I couldn’t picture myself as a mother. People would say, “You’ll change your mind someday,” but I always said “NEVER!”

Looking back, though, I wonder if my circumstances shaped that mindset. I wasn’t in the right place to even consider having kids. I didn’t own my home, I wasn’t in a stable, long-term relationship, and I was focused on building my career. I wanted to create a foundation before I even thought about starting a family and this sometimes take time. People will argue that you don’t need all these things to have a child, but personally, I disagree. I don’t think there’s anything selfish about wanting a stable, secure life for your family. I’ve always felt that too many women rush into motherhood without a solid foundation, and later struggle to juggle everything. That’s not to judge anyone’s choices—it’s just how I’ve always seen it for myself. I didn’t want to put myself, or my future child, in a position where life would be unnecessarily hard. Growing up, I watched my mum work herself to the bone as a single mother. She left our home country to support me because there were no opportunities for her there. It was incredibly hard, and I think a part of me always knew I didn’t want my child to grow up facing those kinds of challenges.

Now, life is different. My mum has passed away, which has forced me to reevaluate so many things. I have an amazing husband, a stable life, and the means to provide for a child. And yet, I’m scared. My husband, who’s older than me, is open to the idea of having a child, but I find myself caught in this strange in-between place.

On some days, it feels like not having a child is wrong—like I’m rejecting something fundamental. But then, I feel this pull, almost like a whisper inside me saying, “Have a child.” It consumes my thoughts on those days, and I start imagining what life would be like as a mother. But then, the next day, the feelings vanish, and I’m left confused.

I don’t know if this back-and-forth is hormonal or just fear. Maybe it’s both. I’m trying to make sense of it all, but it’s hard. I have everything I thought I needed to feel ready, but somehow, I’m still unsure.

So whilst this doesn’t answer any of your questions or provide and sensible advice, all I want to say is that you’re not alone in feeling the way you feel.

Avatartar · 09/01/2025 20:47

Should and want are very different and you come over as feeling like you should have DCs rather than you really want to.
You’d know if you wanted kids

Strawberriesandpears · 10/01/2025 11:44

I relate to so much of what you say @Prettylittlethings4

I worry terribly about not having a family - especially when I am older. To the point to which I have started to hope I die relatively young.

I would love to have a child, but like you, I am heading towards 40. I am an only child (as is my partner) and I just don't feel it would be right to bring a new person into such a lonely set up.

Even if I did have a child, my anxieties and worries would just shift. I'd be constantly worrying about dying and leaving the child alone in the world.

Happiness seems impossible for me to achieve now and I feel I will live with regret and anxiety for the rest of my days. I feel sad that my life circumstances have led to lacking something so fundamental in life i.e a family.

When I was younger I had very low self esteem. I never even considered that anyone would want to be my boyfriend. I was just 'me' - a bit of a joke of a person, the girl who others could have a bit of a laugh at at the expense of. Now those people all have happy families, and I face the future without the love and connection of blood relatives. I just wish it was all over if I am being perfectly honest.

Castiza · 10/01/2025 21:15

I was completely fine being child free until 35 and then started to panic about whether I should have them or not/whether I’d regret it or not. I categorically did not feel an urge to have children and my husband wasn’t fussed, so we kept delaying. Then he died suddenly at 39. I met my now husband at 41 and he was resolved to be child free so that was the end of thinking ‘maybe’, and I found that I wasn’t cut up about it TBH. My reservations were always more to do with the cliches of being old/lonely/fearing old age without a support network. I didn’t feel like those were good enough reasons to have kids and I still don’t, but I think swimming against the tide can be challenging. Now I have the odd wobble but it’s about aging alone not being without my own children, and there are clearly steps I can take to manage my end of life needs, which ironically may be better catered for if I proactively plan what that will look like (I don’t think parents have to face this quite so bluntly). Even if I’d had kids I would have wanted them to do their own thing and be their own people, not my caregivers, so I’m 85% happy with my decision. Maybe it helps that I came from a big family on my mum’s side so I have cousins I’m close to and a brother. If I do regret things later in life I plan to foster which I’d always talked about with my first husband anyway. Life has many roads you can take and having children or not having children is the biggest fork you’ll navigate, but I don’t think it carries the same stigma it used to, nor should it. I should also add I didn’t think it fair to bring kids into the current bin fire that the word seems to be and have to struggle to make ends meet in a time of catastrophic environmental challenge.

Castiza · 10/01/2025 21:18

Hey @Strawberriesandpears - if I might kindly say - it sounds like you might need some help re: your anxiety in general. I can relate! I’m about to get some CBT and have spoken to my GP about it. Just a thought x

SexAndCakes · 10/01/2025 21:26

Castiza · 10/01/2025 21:15

I was completely fine being child free until 35 and then started to panic about whether I should have them or not/whether I’d regret it or not. I categorically did not feel an urge to have children and my husband wasn’t fussed, so we kept delaying. Then he died suddenly at 39. I met my now husband at 41 and he was resolved to be child free so that was the end of thinking ‘maybe’, and I found that I wasn’t cut up about it TBH. My reservations were always more to do with the cliches of being old/lonely/fearing old age without a support network. I didn’t feel like those were good enough reasons to have kids and I still don’t, but I think swimming against the tide can be challenging. Now I have the odd wobble but it’s about aging alone not being without my own children, and there are clearly steps I can take to manage my end of life needs, which ironically may be better catered for if I proactively plan what that will look like (I don’t think parents have to face this quite so bluntly). Even if I’d had kids I would have wanted them to do their own thing and be their own people, not my caregivers, so I’m 85% happy with my decision. Maybe it helps that I came from a big family on my mum’s side so I have cousins I’m close to and a brother. If I do regret things later in life I plan to foster which I’d always talked about with my first husband anyway. Life has many roads you can take and having children or not having children is the biggest fork you’ll navigate, but I don’t think it carries the same stigma it used to, nor should it. I should also add I didn’t think it fair to bring kids into the current bin fire that the word seems to be and have to struggle to make ends meet in a time of catastrophic environmental challenge.

I am also childless / childfree in different circumstances and find your post really helpful, thank you @Castiza.

caterpillarteacup · 10/01/2025 21:36

You just basically listed a long list of reasons why you don't want children. You describe yourself as irritatingly planned and structured. If this is true, if you wanted kids you would have had them or tried for them. You just don't want kids and that is fine!

Strawberriesandpears · 10/01/2025 22:24

Castiza · 10/01/2025 21:15

I was completely fine being child free until 35 and then started to panic about whether I should have them or not/whether I’d regret it or not. I categorically did not feel an urge to have children and my husband wasn’t fussed, so we kept delaying. Then he died suddenly at 39. I met my now husband at 41 and he was resolved to be child free so that was the end of thinking ‘maybe’, and I found that I wasn’t cut up about it TBH. My reservations were always more to do with the cliches of being old/lonely/fearing old age without a support network. I didn’t feel like those were good enough reasons to have kids and I still don’t, but I think swimming against the tide can be challenging. Now I have the odd wobble but it’s about aging alone not being without my own children, and there are clearly steps I can take to manage my end of life needs, which ironically may be better catered for if I proactively plan what that will look like (I don’t think parents have to face this quite so bluntly). Even if I’d had kids I would have wanted them to do their own thing and be their own people, not my caregivers, so I’m 85% happy with my decision. Maybe it helps that I came from a big family on my mum’s side so I have cousins I’m close to and a brother. If I do regret things later in life I plan to foster which I’d always talked about with my first husband anyway. Life has many roads you can take and having children or not having children is the biggest fork you’ll navigate, but I don’t think it carries the same stigma it used to, nor should it. I should also add I didn’t think it fair to bring kids into the current bin fire that the word seems to be and have to struggle to make ends meet in a time of catastrophic environmental challenge.

Thank you for sharing this, Castiza. The fear of old age alone is absolutely what my worry about not having children is tied to. In addition, I am an only child so I truly may end up entirely alone in the world, and I find the prospect terrifying.

I know I am going to have a ring side seat to my parents old age and eventual death too. I fear that so much. The responsibility of handling it alone, whilst knowing that I will have nobody to support me when my time comes.

I feel it really brings your own mortality into sharp focus. I won't lie, I am really jealous of my peers who have children and siblings. For them, their families go on. For me, mine dies out. It's overwhelmingly sad, and I often sit and ponder what I did to deserve this fate.

I am trying to do a bit of old age and death planning. I have looked at things like sorting out a direct cremation for myself, and I have looked into retirement villages and care homes. It's a bit too early for that though really - things may have completely changed by the time I need care.

Strawberriesandpears · 10/01/2025 22:33

@Castiza I also agree with you on not wanting to bring children into the world. At age 38, I can honestly say I am tired of life. I am tired of work, tired of the daily grind, tired of cuts in services, tired of the rising cost of living etc. I honestly think life is pretty depressing and more hassle than it is worth. Would I really wish to subject some other poor soul to it? I really don't think so. Would they ever afford a house or a family of their own? Would they struggle for work once AI has progressed and taken away a load of jobs. Would they end up pretty lonely and isolated in life like I am? It just doesn't feel fair to bring someone into all that just to fulfill my own selfish desires.

AverageIsGreat · 10/01/2025 22:37

I think just ride the wave of sadness, feelings are changeable. If you really wanted children you would have had them already and prioritized them earlier. This is probably just your big birthday stirring up feelings.

AverageIsGreat · 10/01/2025 22:38

The only thing that is guaranteed to help you in old age is your own money.

Strawberriesandpears · 10/01/2025 22:40

AverageIsGreat · 10/01/2025 22:38

The only thing that is guaranteed to help you in old age is your own money.

That is very true, but money can't buy you family connections and loving advocates.

By not having children I have guaranteed myself to not have those.

Facecream24 · 10/01/2025 22:44

I kind of get it. I wasn’t sure I wanted kids but took the plunge. No there’s no guarantees later in life, they’re not born to keep you company or be your carer (I’m actively avoiding this with mine at the moment) but I enjoy my children. They’ve changed me as a person for the better. Made me grow up, change, lose my anxiety to a degree because nothings as important as them. But they will grow up, have their own lives and then we’ll be alone again. But I think having children and everything you can do with them is fun for the time they’re around.

CheeseyOnionPie · 10/01/2025 22:56

You sound like you don’t actually want to have kids (which is completely fine!) but the societal pressure to do the “normal” thing of having kids is getting you.

Ask yourself, if we lived in a world where lots of people don’t have kids and having them isn’t the “done thing” would you want one then?

CheeseyOnionPie · 10/01/2025 22:58

Strawberriesandpears · 10/01/2025 22:40

That is very true, but money can't buy you family connections and loving advocates.

By not having children I have guaranteed myself to not have those.

Why can friends and other family members not be loving advocates? No guarantee your kids would be loving towards you as adults…

TheaBrandt · 10/01/2025 22:59

I see lots of older people through my work and many of the childfree do have strong relationships with the generation below who look out for them as they get more vulnerable and are "loving advocates".

DH and I look out for my bachelor uncle we visit regularly and are his attorneys. One childfree client had her late DH's niece who she got on with very well with and helped her out weekly. One man had a late work colleague's dd who was like his own daughter, she dropped in regularly and helped out. A glamorous older childfree couple had 3 nieces and nephews each so 6 in total who they were close to and struggled to pick which ones would be their attorneys.

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