I think I need to take a break from Mumsnet.

[Squiffy]

here.

Maybe I'm just getting too opinionated these days? Or maybe it's PMT on my part, but I am outta here for a bit.

hmm...that's the problem with the written word as tone of voice doesn't come across

hope you feel better soon, I too have pmt

pmt - me too
i could SCREAM!!!!!!!!!!!

Fed up generally or just with MN? It's fine to be opinionated, I wish I was braver in voicing my opinions here. But you have to dole it out and take it back as you know!

Also hope you feel better soon and that you come back

I've just had a mini vent of spleen, I know I have PMT!

Squiff, fwiw I presumed from the job title she had afforded herself she was qualified - it became a very bizarre thread!

You did come down a bit harsh on her..Could have been said in a nicer way! - But were all welcome to our own opinon.

The joys of chatting online - posts are misinterpreted so often

Hope you feel better soon!

squiffy your mean! lol. No really. haha

But I dont class 6 months - relative experience. You have to - like myself - do 2 years of relative experience to become a nanny/nursery nurse. I know ppl that would employ her - rich people who dnt care for thier kids, who want to get away with paying cash in hand and little money. I have and indeed ashamed of - doing this. I mean being the nanny for a family like this. 12 hrs a day, 5 days a week, driver, and £200 !!!!!!!! Yeh right. I did say No!

Though not the first time as I was DESPERATE

gosh chelles girl thats a bit of an assumption that rich people dont care for their kids

squiffy - i replied to that thread and did think you were a bit sniffy in your reply. I do see your point but to me it read as patronising rather than helpful. Not saying that was your intention though!

I'm rather opinionated too so do understand how annoying and hurtful it is when people misunderstand what you were saying.

Ok Conniedescending - I mean rich as in millionaires that cant be arsed to care for thier kids as they are 'too busy' at work/gym/eating out. Its only my opinion as I have worked for many when I was younger. If I start back up as a nanny, my pay rates going up. I think 7 yrs ex, caring for over 300 kids, nannying, nursery nursing, teaching assistant, dance teacher qualifies for more than £5.00hr.

Funnily enough Chellesgirl, becoming a millionaire does not automatically stop you being a good parent A bit of inverse snobbery here I think.

Come back soon Squiffy.

No im not saying it does. The ppl I have worked for are like that.

There are plenty of wealthy people who don't care for their kids... as there are plenty of people with little money who don't care for their kids. Money doesn't make any difference imo and experience as to the care of children - if there's love in the home the kids are happy. A shame it has in yours Chellesgirl!

Yes it is a shame for the children. Not me. I know my aunty is 'poor' and cant be arsed to look after her kids either. Sorry for any offence caused of course there are rich ppl who care for their kids vice versa. Just my experience.

Squiffy

I was one of those you replied on the other thread and i really think you should write whatever you feel there and not starting another thread here looking for sympathy

MN ia all about opinions though isnt it, and a little advice, support and fun... Lets not take it too seriously, each to their own..

This is why the internet is annoying

& Chelles, I knew exactly what you meant, the rich sods who don't give a damn about their children and can afford a nanny, these children are luckier in that respect that they have somebody (the nanny) who is willing to at least try and care for them.

And though I can see both sides of the argument Squiffy, must admit that I call myself a nanny and I'm not qualified. Too many people are trying to define it by too many standards. I'm not an au pair as I'm not foreign, I'm British, but I'm not a nanny because I'm not qualified (yet), I'd call myself a Nanny too.

On one hand, the girl did answer maturely, on the other, she went straight into the defensive and didn't even stop to think about what way it should have been coming across.

This is why I tend to stay neutral on forums, fed up of argument starters trying to start something

so, it is neutral to state "rich sods who don't give a damn about their children". might just be me, but I would suggest that's about as far removed from a neutral comment as you can get.

opinions are like arseholes

we all have one

come back squiffy

"There are plenty of wealthy people who don't care for their kids... as there are plenty of people with little money who don't care for their kids. Money doesn't make any difference imo and experience as to the care of children - if there's love in the home the kids are happy."

so very true!!!

I think that what you were saying ( which i agree with BTW) could have come accross "better" / nicer than it did

but hard to gauge on t'internet

Just like there are "poor" sods who don't give a damn about their children Rindercella, I just said that the rich sods have luckier children, as they can afford nannies to care for their children.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

I forbid you from leaving. I will cry if you go. (Athene holds back tears)

Squiffy,

When reading what you had said in your first message on the other thread, i felt that the first paragraph was patronising and came across in a bad way but i did agree with most of what you said.
However the end of your post was IMO very contructive and helpful.

The girl on the other thread is advertising for £7.50 - £9 per hour (for her 6months experience) on other websites though so good luck to her.

Please don't feel upset in anyway good for you for speaking up.

Do people who are advertising their services in childcare not have to pay for their advert on mn like other service providers? (genuine question) Can they just post a thread on the cm/nannies/ap board???

Ee, I have 6 months voluntary part time in a nursery, 3 months part time in a early years class in a school, over 1000 hours with 7-18yo's plus 5 months nannying and I wouldn't be asking for that much just yet even when I do get qualified O_o Unless I was only part-timing (evening/after school work specifically), which I suppose she is if just for easter...

That's £15,600 if doing 40hrs a week at £7.50 an hour...

At 18... she's being a bit pretentious really... I'm only 19 here and have 4 months experience nannying.

I am curious though: When I finally apply for a 'proper' live-out nannying job, say this time next year (I actually won't be this time next year, I'll be traveling for a few years and volunteering/working with kids abroad, but this is for estimation purposes). How much would you offer in terms of pay as a live-out for this experience for a 20 year old:
CCLD NVQ level 3 & possibly Teachers Assistant NVQ level 2 (purely for better understanding of the curriculum) undecided as of yet whether I'll go for it.
144hrs in a nursery over 6 month period (possibly more for this course), 336hrs in a school over 3 and 12 month periods (early years/reception class), over 1000 hours with 7-18yo's at PGL & 16 months nannying 8&11yo.