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Paid childcare

Discuss everything related to paid childcare here, including childminders, nannies, nurseries and au pairs.

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I think I need to take a break from Mumsnet.

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Squiffy · 17/03/2009 10:37

here.

Maybe I'm just getting too opinionated these days? Or maybe it's PMT on my part, but I am outta here for a bit.

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Chellesgirl · 18/03/2009 00:03

£13,000 ish.

PixiNanny · 18/03/2009 10:22

How did I go 2000 over?! I didn't include holidays just done the 52 weeks, is that why? lol Either that or very bad maths

Supernanny19 · 18/03/2009 10:31

Pixinanny - Im 19 (20 soon) like yourself been working in a nursery since I was 16 and nannying from 18. At the moment I am a live in nanny but when the time comes for me to be live out. I wouldnt expect my age to effect my pay - at the end of the day RENT/BILLS are the same if you are 19 or 55!!. Also if cleaners are getting 8ph then childcareers should get at least 8.50ph regardless! My opinon though and Im fully aware no - one will agree with me . I would say 8.50ph is fine to start on.

Chellesgirl · 18/03/2009 12:39

I would love £8.50 to start on and yes seems a good wage if you have experience. I was gettin £8.75 in my one before last job as a nanny took home £1,300 a month, around £15,600 a year roughly.

Pixi - I was doing the after tax amount etc...on around £6 an hr.

Supernanny19 · 18/03/2009 12:48

I agree chellesgirl.
But when other people on here are saying 5ph for 18/19 year olds its rather ridiculous its not a waitressing job!! If they are independant and not living at home they have to pay bills etc. thats my point.

Chellesgirl · 18/03/2009 13:06

yes of course and employers should take that into consideration. I agree with you Supernanny.

Blondeshavemorefun · 18/03/2009 13:24

"I wouldnt expect my age to effect my pay"

course it will, you cant expect to earn the same as a nanny with years of experience - at 19, min wage is £4.77 and you are asking almost double that at £8.50/9ph

thing is chellegirl and supernanny19 if you ask for £8 (for example) it is a lot to ask for with the little experience you both have COMPARED to a nanny who has been working for 8/10+ years.

if i were an employer and both a 19yr and a 29yr wanted the same amount,( and i liked both) I would more than likely employ the older one

you get more for your money

Supernanny19 · 18/03/2009 13:27

I am aware of this but what i am saying is 8.50 should be starting salary especially for london when the average flat is 250per week or a rent a room at 150pw.

PixiNanny · 18/03/2009 13:41

Ah, thats where I went wrong. I can't believe tax is so much -_- I was looking at Cambs jobs and they're all 7-7.50 an hour, which sounds okay!

Need to gain experience with under twos still though

Musy say, I do understand choosing somebody with 10yrs experience over somebody with a few, but you can only get experience by being hired I wouldn't mind being paid less, however I would not be happy if I got fobbed off on a crappy wage that I could do better on by working in a shop or as a waitress, because money is important for all of us.

I'm starting to get really angry at that actually, the factv that shop workers and waitresses earn more than nannies. Most of us are qualified, we attend training on occasion, look after children, and get a crap wage, as do all childcare providers. Why? (rhetorical, but if yo have an answer that would be amazing)

Chellesgirl · 18/03/2009 14:04

Blondeshavemorefun Excuse me try 7years experience!

Supernanny19 · 18/03/2009 14:06

LOL

wickedwitchofwestfield · 18/03/2009 15:04

£8.50 is still too much for such little experience.
If the minimum wage for your age is £4.77 then £6 is an acceptable starting salary.
Obviously, you will disagree but employers should not have to pay you such a high amount of money because of the cost of living. All I have to say to that is find somewhere cheaper. We've all been there lol.
You have to earn the right to that much money+in my view, you earn it through experience... Definitely not straight away!

Supernanny19 · 18/03/2009 15:52

Thanks for your advice WWW- but so far every employer I have worked for are happy to pay me 8.50ph. However, in the near future if this changes I will use your advice , very wisely ofcourse

Chellesgirl · 18/03/2009 23:05

Of course you have to think of the amount thats going to be deducted when taxed. i know if I was paid £6ph and have to be taxed on that too, I wouldnt be able to support my family and pay rent etc....

wickedwitchofwestfield · 19/03/2009 10:32

supernanny19 - once again, you miss my point
as I have said many many many times before, well done for getting that much but I do not think that you can let this much set the precedent for your future positions because IMHO, you don't have the experience to be paid that much ( btw - when you say 'all' do you mean your all of your 1 or 2 nanny positions or did you also get this much in your nursery positions??)

quite simple really.

Blondeshavemorefun · 19/03/2009 10:48

i agree with wwow - fab that you got this wage, but as there are so many experienced nannies looking,esp with the credit crunch, you MAY find that your next job will only pay £7nett AS they can get someone with 10years exp for that

"Must say, I do understand choosing somebody with 10yrs experience over somebody with a few, but you can only get experience by being hired I wouldn't mind being paid less, however I would not be happy if I got fobbed off on a crappy wage that I could do better on by working in a shop or as a waitress, because money is important for all of us"

guess depends if you really want to be nanny, if so, then work a year or 2 in a job that pays maybe a lesser wage to get the experience, THEN you can ask and maybe get a better wage

yes working in a shop or starbucks pays min wage - and yes min wage should be increased but till then any job that pays over min wage is good

wickedwitchofwestfield · 19/03/2009 12:03

thats a good point there blondes - if you girls are getting into nannying for the big bucks from the off wel then that leads me to call in question your motives for getting into nannying

everyone has to start at the bottom.
yes, you may luck out initially, but you it is more probable than not that you will be low paid from the beginning.

my very first ever mothers help job was spectularly well paid, but I knew that when it ended I'd have no chance of earning that kind of money again and I was fine with that.

in fact I remember being paid quite a low wage and struggling to make ends meet but I wouldn't have changed it for the world as the experience was invaluble and has led me to where I am now

navyeyelasH · 19/03/2009 13:23

I'm 25 and my first ever job paid £3 per hour (aged 16, sort of mothers help I guess); well done for getting a job that pays so much but do not expect that to set a precedent for your future nanny roles.

Also I think your attitude is a bit skewed; just because you need to make x amount to maintain your lifestyle it does not mean you "deserve" to be paid that amount IYSWIM? Your "worth" is how the market prices you at the end of the day and I feel £8.50 (gross) is a good salary for a nanny with around 5ish years of experience; so as a starter nanny you were very fortunate to secure a job at such a high rates.

Most parents with nannies are not millionaires (unfortch!) they are middle earners trying to do the best for their children IME. In order to afford a nanny most families often have to make sacrifices elsewhere in their lifestyles IMVHO.

PixiNanny · 19/03/2009 13:31

"guess depends if you really want to be nanny, if so, then work a year or 2 in a job that pays maybe a lesser wage to get the experience, THEN you can ask and maybe get a better wage"

This is what I am doing now, £100 a week is a crapy wage but one I can live on whilst living in. I'm not in nannying for the money, I know that I'll never get good money being a nanny but I want to earn enough to live on when I finally do get a 'proper' job.

I agree with you that experience means all and that you get a better wage with experience, which is one of the many reasons I am doing my current job, so that I can get a better wage later. As I said before, I just don't want to be fobbed off on a crappy wage once I live-out and have a life to contend with

Honestly, looking at the jobs advertised for cambs, I'd be perfectly happy on £7 an hour as this is what seems to be the going rate and it'll be enough to live on, £6 an hour would be pushing it but with a joint income (me and bf) I should be okay and I'd only take less than £6 if I was really happy in the job and it was something I felt was acceptable for the situation (2 kids over 3yrs to look after for example)

Chellesgirl · 21/03/2009 19:02

pixi look after the kids I cared fr last month. Youll never want to to nannying again!

Dont think that bacuse a employer pays you good money that your going to enjoy the job.
I would be better of on £5phr and working for a family who actually care what I think.

Lemontart · 21/03/2009 19:06

Squiffy - hope you are feeling better soon. Agree that the written word and anonymity can make it easy to judge. For the little it is worth, I have read several of your posts in the past and always thought you came across as a very sensible and rather down to earth person

pmt is horrid and can empathise only too well. I alternate between being a bitch from hell and a paranoid, emotional wreck getting worse each month too..poor DH!

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