what's a reasonable salary for a live-out nanny in london?

[ChasingButterflies]

We've met a lovely prospective nanny today. She's 21, with a couple of years' experience (all part-time so far), good references and was brilliant with ds. Now we just need to work out if we can afford her. She's asked for £10ph but says she is willing to negotiate; she's not working at the moment.
We want to do this properly re tax and NI.
We've used cms previously, and we do expect a nanny to be more expensive, but we have to be careful about what we can afford.
What would be reasonable to offer? It would be a four-day week, around 35 hours a week. We are in London (but not that central). We don't want to rip her off but at the same time, she is fairly inexperienced and she told us there are not many jobs around at the moment, which is why she's willing to negotiate on money.
What do you think would be fair?

I think 8.50ph - 9ph to be reviewed after 3 months.

21 and wants £10 an hr

personally i would have thought £7 was more then enough so saving you about £100 a week (£10x35=£350) against 7x35= £245

though these figures are nett not gross

i would ask her last ref what she got paid - seems a lot of money for a few years exp

as people keep saying it is a employers market

supernanny is right re rate -

£10ph - dream on... did she come via an agency? had all types of problems with one agency (should have listened to my heroine blondes on that one [waves to her guru/heroine]). I'd be interested to know if the people I saw who were skign that kind of rate an hour are still looking (bet they are).

at hero

shes 21 and wants over double min wage for her age

min wage

not saying she needs to be paid £4.77 but £7 is plenty imo

That's interesting, thanks all.

We're new to this and all the nannies we've seen/spoken to have suggested similar rates - but then again they're all looking for work at the moment!

Would it be cheeky to offer her the £10ph she's after but say that it's gross not net pay?
She did make it clear she was willing to negotiate, after all...

£10 gross is a lot for someone with little experience. And a couple of years of part time is little experience.

£10net is outright extortion.

10gross is between 270 and 283 according to tax calculater so prob about £277 nett for the nanny

i personally think you could get for less

but

if you are happy to pay this, then who am i to argue?

well, i wouldn't say i'm happy to pay that

any thoughts on what our opening offer should be?

say 8ph to be reviewed after trail period and if she shows she is worth more up it to what your comfy with. Why dont you nannyshare? then you could pay 5ph per family.

If it helps we pay our nanny £325 for a 40hr week (4 x10hour days). That works out just over £8 per hour net. She's been with us about a year.

Good luck.

athene agrees with me

shes in my team!!!

she lurves me

pmsl!!!

sorry - complete hijack

chasing butterflies - what do you want to pay? and then offer less than that, so that you can up it to what you want to pay

assume days are short as you say 35hrs over 4days - average is 10/11hrs a day so 40/44 for 4 days and yours would be less than 9hrs

I think £7nett is ample so I would offer £300 gross which is about £242 nett here

which will cost you £322 a week here

are the other girls who are interestered same age?

i am not saying that no one can earn that - just 21 its a lot

where if you had me (old and very exp at 35) i would want, expect and get that - iykwim

10ph is crazy for a 21, inexperienced nanny.

I'd say £7 gross is more than enough.

Good luck, I hope this works out for you

If I were her I'd be happy with £8.50 gross.

I think that £10 net per hour is rediculous for someone with so little experience but think that age has nothing to do with it.

If she had gone into childcare at aged 16 she would have 5yrs experience now instead of a couple so for me age is not as important.

When people advertise saying wage is dependant on age, it should say dependant on experience, or age and experience IMO.

I am young and for temp/odd hour jobs i get £10 p/h net and for normal hours i get £9 p/h net.

For they amount of experience thins girl has i would say £7.50 net p/h

I still think that £10 net is too much for even 5 years of experience... I have just over 8 years experience and I am only just on £9 per hour net (sometimes £10) back when I was 21 I was on like, £6 an hour (and that was only 5.5 years ago!)

supernanny - obviously you will say £8.50 - £9 () but that is quite a lot of money for someone with only a few years experience! I think £8 gross is more than enough... £10 gross is a lot of money - how much does she expect to be on in 5/6 years? £12 per hour? where does it end?!

I have no idea where these girls with such little experience get off asking for such crazy amounts - there is no way I would have dreamt of asking for £10 net when I was 21 lol

waves to wwow

glad to see you agree with the blonde

chasingbutterflies - 7nett is about 8.50gross

waves to wwow

glad to see you agree with the blonde

chasingbutterflies - 7nett is about 8.50gross

Well im 19 and Im on 8.50ph net. but thats because its part time. But that is what I was offered so I have been rather lucky. When I was 16 I was on 6.50ph .

but for her to say 10ph is rather cheeky..I prefer when the add states what your offering not upto nanny to decide.

I have been a nanny for over 16 years and have only just got to the £10 per hour net figure.

Why does she think she can get the same amount with only a few years experience?

Depending on where you are, £8 - £10 gross should be fine for someone with her amount of experience.

Good luck!

I am 21, and have about 3 years nanny experience. Work in London and am paid 10 pound an hour, net rate.

Obviously some people would feel I am too young / inexperienced to ask for this rate, however, many employers are willing to pay this for me.

So, you may find if you offer her 7 pounds she will simply look for a job elsewhere? I wouldn't accept 7 pounds, 10 pounds is what I charge, so if an employer doesn't want to pay this rate, I will find another who does?

Just giving you a totally different perspective?

I knew the paid the big bucks brigade would be bang on it. I feel you are missing my point. Well done if you are 19/20/21 and are paid £9/£10 an hour. Good on you for finding an employer who isn't that concerned with many years of experience... maybe you are blindingly good nannies+your few years are of the highest quality+more importantly, they are happy to pay that much.
My point is, you have no right expecting that much. No right at all.
You won't accept £7ph. Lol. That made me chuckle.

iloveairplanejelly, out of curiosity, did your current employer find you through an agency?

And what the Hell is air plane jelly?

WWW - I'm not sure why it is amusing that I can choose not to accept to work for a wage I consider to be too low. I think nannies are generally underpaid. I feel that 10 pounds an hour is a fair payment for looking after three very energetic children. So does my employer.

Athene - No. I found this job privately, however I have worked through agencies in the past and been told I 'should' charge 8 pounds. I chose to ignore that recommendation for the reasons I mentioned above.

Airplane Jelly is an Australian brand with an accompanying song. "I love airplane jelly, airplane jelly for me".

Mind if I ask how many hours/days you work?