what's a reasonable salary for a live-out nanny in london?

[ChasingButterflies]

We've met a lovely prospective nanny today. She's 21, with a couple of years' experience (all part-time so far), good references and was brilliant with ds. Now we just need to work out if we can afford her. She's asked for £10ph but says she is willing to negotiate; she's not working at the moment.
We want to do this properly re tax and NI.
We've used cms previously, and we do expect a nanny to be more expensive, but we have to be careful about what we can afford.
What would be reasonable to offer? It would be a four-day week, around 35 hours a week. We are in London (but not that central). We don't want to rip her off but at the same time, she is fairly inexperienced and she told us there are not many jobs around at the moment, which is why she's willing to negotiate on money.
What do you think would be fair?

Presently - 5 days, 8 hours a day.

I think about £8ph in London is about the norm, from what the nannies I know get paid.

airplanejelly
i am very suprised that you can get £10 at 21

think the agenices were right in their wage of £8

have you been in your job long?

seems that the jobs that are out there now are paying 10/15% less then this time last year beacuse of the credit crunch

ie if you left you job , that you are unlikely to find a new job paying £10 an hr

but i always say if you dont ask, you dont get

but you also dont want to outprice yourself from the market

chasinbutterflies - what have you decided what to do?

blondes has a point - we passed on a cdndidate who was dead set on earning 10 pound plus per hour (and she was not 21 and had a good cv) .. whilst peopel have right to ask for salary, it can be indicative of a general attitude of not listening/uncompromising etc which is not particularly attrative in someone you are looking to employ as a nanny.

I just find it amusing that at 21 you 'will not accept' £7 an hour, £7 an hour is a dammed good wage for a 21 year old with only 3 years experience... let alone £10 an hour

maybe in the nearly 6 years between us, there has been a shift in mentality - who knows?

buuuut - like I said, well done you if you're employer can and will pay that much

For what its worth
I have a live out nanny. she is 26 and qualified, 5 years experience. she works 7-7 4 days a week and 7-2 on Fridays. I pay her 9.50 net an hour which I know is top whack but she has been with us for 4 years and works bloody long hours and I think she deserves it.

thats the thing victorvictoria - she has been with you 4years and prob had a payrise every year of maybe .50p every hr/£5/10extra a week - and has worked up to £9.50 what was she on when she started with you?

but

if she left you, she prob wouldnt be able to get £9.50 an hr - prob more like £8 as wages have dropped due to credit crunch

and there are more nannies then jobs at the moment

Yes that's right one every level blondes. she wouldnt get that if she left (which I had to point out to her recently when she was moaning about her hours). The point is I work as does DH full time (well 4.5 days for me) and I want someone who will do long hours. It isnt negotiable and I am prepared to pay for it. I am well aware that the market has completely changed and I could find someone for cheaper but I'd rather keep her thanks very much!.

I am well aware that the market has completely changed and I could find someone for cheaper but I'd rather keep her thanks very much!

i am not suggesting you get rid of your much loved nanny and get someone cheaper - just making the point that you pay your nanny well, poss due to payrises and being with you for 4 years

your nanny is moaning about the hours?

she took the job on knowing what they were - unless they have chnaged from a 10hr day to a 12hr day recently?

if she did leave and do a 10hr day, then her wages would go down almost £20 a day - at her current rate

Its a little complicated - she used to be 7-6 and 5 days a week, but when I wnet back to work after DC2 (she has been with us since DC1 was 11 weeks old) I asked her to move to 7-7 4 days a week with Friday afternoon off. I am pregnantwith DC3 and want help at bathtime with 3 as DH works long hours. I have made the point to her that these are the hours I now want, that I sympathise with ehr that she finds them long, nut that is the job as it stands I dont want to compromise. So we shall see........

so she still does 55hrs but an hr longer a day and gets fri pm off

7-7 is long - i know what you mean about bathtime

i look after 3 - 9mth 3 and just 6 - my mb does it by herself or i bath them if she works late/im bs

can bath time be moved to 6pm, and nanny help you and leave by 6,30 and you settle to bed etc?

Effectively that is what I try to do so in practice she often leaves at 6.30 (which is when my 13 months o,d usually goes to bed as we have all had enough by then!). Just not sure what is going to happen when DC3 arrives in September.........

sure it will be fine

and mention to your nanny that she may moan about the hours but she gets fri pm off and if she did chnage jobs then she might work less hours but she would prob also earn less money as she might not get £9.50

YEs I should prob also mention we give her a car so she DRIVES home and it takes her under 10 mins. takes me an HOUR to get to work by bus and tube...........

thats very nice of you to give your own car up

maybe she can get her own car, you can drive it to work and she can use yours (as easier nt to swap car seats/buggies over) plus when you have 3 children, not many nannies can get 3 in the back of their car

I know the thread is moving off topic but I am interested in what VictorVictoria is going to do when DC3 arrives. I'm currently in that dilemma myself! Will watch with interest...

as in to keep her nanny/make her work same hours on ml /give payrise etc?

I'm worth £100 per hour net. I just need to convince my boss.

I'm not offended that you ask for £10 per hour net. But, I certainly wouldn't pay it.

Aparently dog walkers near us get £10 per hour per dog.

Oh that's great. Do you think Ofsted will step in and regulate how many dogs you can walk at once.

No but the park has tried to! You often see someone being dragged along by up to 8 dogs - I kid you not! £80 p/h to dog-sit.

sure db would gladly pay £10 for someone to walk our massive dog - so he doesnt have to!!