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lisalisa · 23/02/2009 09:19

We have not had much luck of late in retaining nannies having gone through about 3 in last 18 months or so.

We have now had a discussion with our nanny/housekeeper in which it has been agreed that she will start working notice and before advertising for her replacement i wanted to get some soundings from MN on what might be going wrong or what we may need to add or drop from our list of exepctatoins/requirements.

This is what we need and why:

1 Cover from 7.00am to 8.00pm 5 days per week. The reason for the long hours is that I leave the house at 7.30am and dh slightly earlier. Our nanny has to therefore get the children ready for school and take them.

Long hours at the other end as after school I am ferrying the children to various activities and tutors ( some have special needs etc) and by the time I am home to stay it is 8.00pm ( some of the children are older).

2 Evening babysitting about 3 times per week including one weekend night. We are very flexible on this and for the last few montsh have foregone this completely as our current nanny goes "home " on weekends even though she is "live in " ( we did not know she had another home when interviewing her but that is another story!).

3 Cleaning during the day done. Our dcs are all at school during the day between 9.00am and 4.30pm ( I do school pick up so no-one at home barring child being ill between these hours). Therefore , despite the long working hours the vast majoirty of these are childfree hours spent doing 3 hours cleaning and otherwise free. We do not advertise them as "free hours" as they are technically not in case child is ill or repair man /gas man etc coming but nanny knows that provided 3 hours cleaning is done ( this is how much we have worked out we need per day to keep the house clean and tidyish ) she is free to relax /watch TV etc as she wishes.

4 Playing with the children/ very friendly and poistive attitude. Part of the reason we are letting our current nanny go is that she is unable to interact wit the childrne at all and prefers just to sweep around them but will not, unless literally forced by me , colour wiht them or play board games.

5 A basic ability to supervise homework. Basic is key word here and I would really only expect/like help with homework for 5 yr old and 7 yr old which any competent nanny should be able to manage ( basic reading and maths skills). Again, its something I've forgeone wiht current nanny who is simply unable to do this.

We have 5 children aged between 3 and 12 yrs. We are a fairly messy and disoragnised household. I find organisation quite hard and am forever running around at the last minute. Kids are also v messy and as a result we all as a family spend most of weekend tidying and clenaing - we seem to sweep the floor about twice a day alone!

Kids do a lot of housework. For e.g. one washes and one dries dishes aft4er supper and one lays table and one sweeps floor. All ( apart from 3 yr old ) put away their own washing . So trying to bring them up to be largely responsible for the house and the mess/play that they need to clear up .

Children are not cheeky to nanny and are always polite an dfriendly so no issues there.

Is this acheiveable - to have a nanny who is great with the kids and can keep them entertained on school hols and after school ( games and colouring - not looking for clown type entertainment!) but who can also keep house clean tidy and organised during school time or am I asking for too much?

Any tips on how to phrase adverst so as to acheive this would be greatly appreciated.

Oh and we pay £350 per week after tax live in and we live in an outer london suburb.

Thanks

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luckynanny · 23/02/2009 14:28

I would at least get rid of the 3 nights babysit on top of those hrs.Hire a babysitter for those hours.

lisalisa · 23/02/2009 14:49

thanks everyone.

hatwoman - did think about holidays and have decided to ask AP to do additional hours ( agreed in advance for extra money) as i assume that she will probalby have more flexibility than a live out nanny.

I have now decided to go the squiffy route ( never did your CAT btw) and go the AP/nanny/cleaner route even though as you say it is incredibly complicated as i think its likely to give more job satisfaction all round.

Am nervous about taking mother's help as ds2 is only just 3 and due to my ferrying around ( and if not ferrying then being unable to do much due to homework wiht other 3 every night) i do need someone I can totally trust. She can do park after full dya nursery if she wnts and be totally in charge of him and his food and activities - its impertaive that I get someone experienced and trustwrothy . with mother's help I thougt they are only one stage up from au pair.

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Sycamoretree · 23/02/2009 14:50

Sorry lisalisa - didn't mean to! I think I just meant to point out that it's not so much the practical hours working, as the complete theoretical "on call" status which seems akin to a Junior Doctor - that's what I mean by overwhelming - just how much of your nanny's life is not here own, almost especially as it's live in. It's the kind of overwhelming you accept as a parent, but maybe not as an employee....

Anyway, I think the consensus seems to be to split the job into more than one - not least separating the housework and childcare duties...

Sycamoretree · 23/02/2009 14:51

Am prone to the dramatic turn of phrase

blueshoes · 23/02/2009 14:54

My aupairs do holiday cover. Normally, they work only 5 hours per weekday. That is doubled during school holidays with corresponding uplift in pocket money.

Lisalisa, as you probably know, aupairs tend to do Sept to summer next year. The aupair should be trustworthy enough to do the half-term breaks. Christmas they usually go home so you/dh have to cover that. For the 6-week summer hols, you can either use the same aupair (if she is prepared to cover) or hire a summer aupair.

KristinaM · 23/02/2009 15:14

lisa - if you hired someone from your own religious background couldn't you get them to do the cooking as well? It would take another thing off your list.

just a thought

Squiffy · 23/02/2009 15:25

if you don't get my CAT, I can answer this evening from my home email if you send me your details

lisa at gk66 dot com

nannynz · 23/02/2009 15:25

My very first nanny position I worked 7am - 8pm six days a week usually two/three nights baby sitting a week - yes I did have NO life for the four years I held that job.

I worked for a SAHM (who was out alot) and had a 3yo, 15mn, and 3 mn old when I started, oh and when no 4 was born 18 months later I did full care of her day and night! I did full care of all children and kept house tidy - there was a housekeeper who came in for four hours one morning a week, it was very busy, I rarely did get to sit down even for lunch - I learnt a lot from my time there the most important was that's its ok to say NO and to realise that I didn't have to do it all! I had three years training and two year nanny experience. Perhaps look for a nanny who is newly trained.

I think definetly share the hours between a nanny, aupair and cleaner. 60 hours is far too many hours for a long term position!

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nannyL · 23/02/2009 16:21

you are asking the nanny to work a 65 hour week then 3 babysits as well ... one if which during her weekend.

I think you are expecting too many hours to be honest and not giving the nanny a chance to have a life of her own (bear in mind will finish a 13 hour day at 8pm on friday night)

i see this has been said by previouse posters but this is way too many hours, ok she has free time in the day but its not her own time

I dont think you can expect anyone to commit long term to know free time and hardly any chance for their own life

you MIGHT find someone willing to do a 13 hour day (weekedays) but agree you need to find another person to babysit for you

Pollyanna · 23/02/2009 16:31

I would suggest that you have an au pair and a nanny. We have 5 children, are in similar jobs to you (iirc you are a solicitor) and have both.

Pollyanna · 23/02/2009 16:32

oh, have just read the whole thread now!

Pollyanna · 23/02/2009 16:34

and we have a cleaner too.

lisalisa · 23/02/2009 22:43

Rev - unless you want me to soak this thread in tears I suggest you don't ask me that kind of question. I am very burnt out yes . hence trying to restructure as current arrangments don't work for all concerned.

I wouldn't change a thing about my persona life however and when I sitcuddlng my littlies in bed or chatting to my 9 yr old or little teen it makes it all worthwhile.....

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LouIsAHappyLittleVegemite · 24/02/2009 13:32

I work similiar hours to what you want (well longer actually) and am on 355/week live in with nearly the same number of kids. As a nanny I think the weekend babysitting is a bit much to ask. I never ever get a night off during the week so I cant play a team sport or go to the movies or even get a late night flight on a Friday. I do all the childrens laundry etc and very minimal cleaning. I am a trained nanny not a cleaner. As for the time during the day. I am meant to have some time off but how can I when I don't know if a child will be sick at school etc so I cant go to far from the house. Nannies will do these weekday hours for a good salary but will refuse the weekend work. You really need to either get rid of the weekend babysitting and ensure the nanny gets time off during the day, get your kids to do more cleaning or hire a cleaner.

lisalisa · 25/02/2009 12:45

Thanks rev and louIsAHappyLittleVegemite - I have now opted for anny and au apir thanks toa ll the good advice on this trhead!!

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