nanny wages cash in hand

[janett]

why oh why do some employers feel the need to offer x amount pay and then when it comes to signing contracts they want to pay at least a 1/3 cash in hand? dont they realise nannys might one day want a mortgage ect..

Re shares
I WISH! Please, find me one. Finding someone close enough, with the right combination of children, right family mix, etc etc when you need to have the kids together on the same day (as opposed to some two days, others three or whatever), nanny who's willing and able is like gold dust, espeically in our are where nannies are not that common.

I know sprogger I was just replying to some points Navy had made earlier when I was ranting.

Harriet - sorry I thought you were not in London. It does sound like your experience with nannies has been awful though & I agree that any old stinker can act the part and pose as a nanny & get the same rate as a god nanny [outrage!].

You should tell the agency to shove it, they are providing you a service at the end of the day (which normally costs an arm and a leg!) and if they can't send you what they are asking for they should take a hike too. Can't believe they came out with the cleaner analogy, it should be their jobs to tell these people with an over inflated sense of self worth that they haven't got a hope in hell of being a nanny! Let alone trying to palm them off on the nearest family.

Tell me where you are, what days you need, what times, what rate you would like to pay, if you would consider nanny with own child, ages of your little ones and what sort of family you would like to share with and I will try and help you out.

When I went for an interview where the family needed a share I actively helped them look and came up with 3/4 possibilities. Is this not the norm then?

Serious offer here not trying to "prove a point", my email is on the contact page of this website, www.hayleyevans.co.uk. I have a few contacts in London so fingers crossed!

Navy
It's not an agency, it's a magazine where families and nannies advertise. I haven't used an agency at this point. Looking for something from Jan/Feb when I'm back at work but need to think about what we can afford, set up etc.

But thanks.

I'm with Harriet here, there are lots of ways in which the employment prospects of nannies can be predicted to suffer in a credit crunch
eg supply and demand
employers needing to shave costs so preferring the inexperienced/unqualified (ie cheaper)
nannies having to take shares with larger numbers of children
lower tolerance of tantrums about putting employers coffee cup in the dishwasher
etc
etc

Surprisingly if one person earns 100000 then take home is 64,500, however since this couple have a nanny if both earn 50K then take home is 70,198 and if it is a 70:30 split then total is 68,913 (all figures approx.) I find those figures so surprising!

Nanny on £10/hr (funnily enough what the last one to reply to me wanted) will cost approx 39,052 (don't forget employers NICS navyeyelash)

However in your sums you are forgetting housing costs to buy a very average place round here 3 bed terrace, outside zn 1/2 no garden average condition on a repayment mortgage at 6.3% at CURRENT asking prices would cost over 53,000 a year (disclaimer am not in the process of doing this)

I think there has been a lot of ready cash floating around in the UK and nannies have been a big beneficiary of this, it will change, allready I see more people advertising for longer and I think more offering to do shares and part-time jobs.

I too am shocked (and have started threads) with the number of nannies working for cash in hand credit crunch will also mean this will drop therefore wages will drop. Virtually all my replies are along the lines of this, another one recently couldn't tell me what gross wage her hourly rate translated into. Her boss paid all her tax/NI she said. I have so far resisted the temptation to say if you can't tell me/it isn't on your payslip it's probably not being paid!

oppss sorry it's because you said "these ladies at.." my brain is easily confused at this late hour!

Again I think £8 is pretty top wack for a cleaner, I see people wanting more but always assume that's why they are advertising if they charge that much

Maybe I should set up an agency that doesn't take the pi$$ out of parents! 1dilemma do you really know nannies that would have a fit over such a thing, I have hard of course but never met such a nanny? Would love to tho!

No navyeyelash the nannies I know (admittedly it's hardly hundreds!) wouldn't but you only need to see my place to know that IYSWIM
It's something you read about on here I wish I could remember whose nanny was it who left them that note (I wonder if it was mymmypoppins?) and there is another nanny/parent forum people on here have referred to I just can't remember the name Athene will know!I'm glad someone's still posting I thought I'd managed to finish them both off!
(Nannynicks other one about the news)

I think I must just be a really nice nanny or something? If my bosses washing is on the line when I get to hers I always fold it bring it in and put it in the airing cupboard. Sometimes when I do the girls clothes and the dads shirts are lying around if I have time I do them. even when I go and babysit if the dishwasher is full and clean I empty it...

I'm starting to think this isn't normal nanny behaviour?

I think there is normal behaviour and normal 'London' behaviour TBH but I'm not a Londoner.
I do think (hearsay only I admit)that some nannies have a very strange view of the world but then I also found it strange when you said a couple on 100K would be most likely to wait until dcs go to school. 100K is a huge salary for a single person and if combined clearly what people need to be on to afford a nanny.

However if you want strange look at some of the nannies needed ads on gumtree total eye opener as to what people think they can get away with, people wanting a full-time nanny but calling it an au-pair and offering £80 a week, then proudly boasting of the 2 weeks paid holiday they offer!!!

On a more cheery note for nannies (and working parents) I wonder if the gov will stop some of the tax credits and switch to allowing childcare to be tax deductable benefits in terms of bringing nannies into the tax paying fold, benefits in returning people to work etc etc. That would get my vote.

The only other nanny/parent forum I can think of is nannyjob.co.uk. Is that the one you are thinking of?

There is a fair amount of tslk on this thread about the upper band of nanny salaries and how there will always be wealthy people who can afford them. While I do agree that there is a band of wealthy people who are not likely to be affected by the credit crunch (because their wealth is not dependant on their current salary/income), I think we will see a shift to the less qualified and not quite so well paid nannies. Say, for example, someone who has been an au pair for a year, and worked in a nursery for 9 months, and is 19 or 20 and prepared to work for less than £300-£400 net per week. I expect people will be more willing to accept a bit less expereience for less pay, especially if they no lionger have under 2s.

So, I expect it is the nanny with 5+ years of experience who wants to earn more than £350 net per week who will struggle in the crunch.

it was me me..........my nanny regularly leaves me notes about us treating her like a house maid because we expect her to do the dishwasher in the morning when she is employed as a nanny/ housekeeper. My children are both at school full time. OUTRAGEOUS really if you think about it. I cant understand how she has stuck our job for so long.........

I should look for a much cheaper option next time. Not an au pair as I can't hack it but maybe an ex au pair with 2 years exp who will live in for about £200 a week net plus a car . I still pay a cleaner another £100 a week on top. To me £866 a month after all your bills have been paid is a bloody good load of disposable income for rural life.

Hands up those of us that have that sort of money to waste each month.........

Good grief, woman, does she still work for you?

i know i know i know..........hangs her head in pathetic mummy weak willed shame.....

Just cant face the upheaval of getting rid. We discovered last night however that we think she is fiddling her diesel expenses. Will be another few weeks before we know for sure but if so DH has said he will tackle her and she will pay it back.

Just cannot trust her with money. If it is left in the kitty or in the children's pocket money purses it gets ' borrowed ' for one spurios reason ar another. She is useless at budgeting.

Actually was saying to DH this am whilst she might thik she is going back to Australia for a month next summer we doubt it will come off as she is permanently broke and will struggle it appears to save the money for the flight!

Very sad situation to be in aged 39....no house no car no bloke no kids and no money.the rest of us have houses cars blokes kids nannies and NO MONEY!

Hey, are you comming to the Christmas meet-up? (where I can knock some sense into you)

when is it and where ?

borrowing without asking is stealing!!!!

mummypoppins - I am appalled at your nanny/housekeepers attitude, as, correct me if I'm wrong I am in the same sort of setup - sep flat, work car (when I can drive lol) 8am-7.30pm, £250 gross a week?
I have 1 child who goes to nursery 3x a week+I do all the HK, I cook all of her meals, dealt with potty training etc. And I think I have it pretty good actually!
I have 8 years of experience+I'm currently working towards an NVQ3 in Child Care.
From some of these posts, I'm a bargin lolol!

I know. Its terrible isnt it. Yet she thinks its perfectly ok. She was back to work on Monday and and if it was a genuine emergency then she would and should have replaced it even before we got back home and we would have been none the wiser.

The fact of the matter is she is so wasteful with money she has run out and its the end of the month. She is using us a cash flow.

her room is stacked high with magazines ( she admits to buying evry one each month ) books cd's dvds and clothes. She will think nothing of spending £100 on a pair of shoes regularly.

I do almost feel i should be taking her to one side and knocking some financial sense into her as out in the real world she would sink into bankruptcy very quickly.

Anyway. She wont do it again because the kids pocket money is hidden and next time we go on hols I shall not leave any money and we need anything for the house then she can buy it and claim it back form us.

Its very sad.

no missie sparkles..........car all the time ( 4 year old scenic )for both work and personal, £295 net a week, sep flat and free broadband, use of an outdoor heated pool and both mine are at school ful time and sometimes till 5pm and she knocks off at 7 ! And she charges £10 an hour for babysitting!

Its the life of riley. Harder during the hols of course as she works 8 to 7 but they are 7 and 9 years old and are on the whole well behaved.

Can you relocate to me ??!!

You do realise that sepparate flat is a taxable benefit, so add a few more sheckles there.

Mummypoppins can i come work for you please, you nanny has such a easy life.
I have to say though , taking money for what every reason , is stealing. A sackable offence, i cant believe you still employe her.
If she tells you about that sort of thing ,what does she not tell you about.how can you trust her.

And she complains??
What a cheek! Whereabouts are you based? I'm in S.E London but I'm not sure what the going live in sep.flat rates are here?
I have to say, you sound like a generous employer, I don't know why she takes the pi$$!
As tempting as your offer is, I really like my family. I really hope you find someone more appreciative as I think she doesn't get how good she's got it.
Shame on her!
To think my OH thinks I'm well jammy that I get £225pw after tax with no rent or bills - imagine £70 extra!