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Feel like the world is telling me not to work! (Childcare issues/illness/school events etc)

37 replies

opentothought · 04/06/2025 14:37

Anyone else in the same boat?
I work 4 days a week 9-4 so 6.5 hour days. It’s an office job and I do one day a week at home, which is very valuable to me and helps me get a few jobs done in between work.

Anyway this year DC1 started school so it’s our first year dealing with 1 at school and 1 at nursery, plus juggling school holidays and wrap around care etc. ITS TOUGH!!

When you add in DC getting ill, me getting ill this week and being totally wiped out and in bed for 3 days. School events for Father’s Day, year 1 induction parents meeting, sports morning (2.5 hours long), nursery closing for a day next week. I feel like I am constantly pissing my boss off and letting my colleagues down, who are all childless.

The silly thing is, given the cost of childcare right now, my wage doesn’t go very far but I see my job as my adult time, something I’m proud of and an investment into my pension.

My parents are helpful and they will pick up DC if I’ve got an important meeting at the school or nursery phoned to collect them etc, or if DC1 has an inset day they’re always on hand. But I swear when you factor in:

  • breakfast club
  • after school club
  • holiday club
  • inset days
  • child illness
  • nursery admin
  • aduly illness
  • school events
  • nursery event
its like I’m being told not to work!

anyone else in the same boat?

OP posts:
Prettygreeneyes43 · 04/06/2025 14:42

Do you have a partner? You just have to try and split it between you. It’s the same for all working parents. You’re always better off working. What will you live in if you give up work?

arcticpandas · 04/06/2025 14:43

I was a Sahm at first because it didn't make financially sense for me to work (which suited me just fine btw:). One DC autistic so still sahm because life is too complicated if not. Calcule the cost of childcare vs work and go from there. Also, you have to be willing to be a sahm or you will be unhappy.

Comedycook · 04/06/2025 14:45

My dc are teens now but yep, this is why I was a sahm. School holidays, inset days, illness, endless school events...plus I had no extended family support really. One of my dc had sn and some minor medical issues too so we had loads of appointments to attend. Even as a sahm I used to just wish for a normal week where no one was ill, the school wasn't closed or having some kind of parent open morning. It was all too much

AmIHumanOrAmIAYeti · 04/06/2025 14:45

Where’s dad in all this? They should be covering half of it.

AmIHumanOrAmIAYeti · 04/06/2025 14:46

arcticpandas · 04/06/2025 14:43

I was a Sahm at first because it didn't make financially sense for me to work (which suited me just fine btw:). One DC autistic so still sahm because life is too complicated if not. Calcule the cost of childcare vs work and go from there. Also, you have to be willing to be a sahm or you will be unhappy.

Don’t forget to cost out the impact on future earnings, pension and what happens if anything happens to you or your partner.

Comedycook · 04/06/2025 14:48

However, I would caution you to consider finances and how you would re enter the workforce at a later date? Being a sahm is a risk in some ways so think very carefully.

Soretongue · 04/06/2025 14:49

you make no mention of their father. Not one.

Summercocktailsgalore · 04/06/2025 14:49

I do not annoy my colleagues and am in work, not at school events. Unless I or their dad taje annual leave.

opentothought · 04/06/2025 14:52

My DH works full time in a factory job, it’s skilled and payed well, but unfortunately he gets no sick pay, but it awarded well for overtime so it falls to me to deal with the kids, and I am okay with that in a lot of ways. He is managing to go to the Father’s Day event at school next week but he doesn’t go to any of the others.

I know if I stop working it’s in my personalty to feel very nervous about going back to the point I probably wouldn’t ever go back, and as a PP has said you have to want to be a SAHM and after 2 MLs I know that I enjoy working part time.

I’m hoping it’ll be a bit easier when both kids are at school (maybe not!?)

OP posts:
AmIHumanOrAmIAYeti · 04/06/2025 15:06

My DH works full time in a factory job, it’s skilled and payed well, but unfortunately he gets no sick pay,

It would be emergency leave for dependents, not sick pay.

Don’t devalue your work just because you have a vagina.

Hellofreshh · 04/06/2025 15:11

Are you a single parent? If so could you reduce your hours? To 3 days. Speak with your manager and say it's affecting your mental health. By the time you add up travel and holiday camps in the school it's not always beneficial for you OP.

Comedycook · 04/06/2025 15:11

opentothought · 04/06/2025 14:52

My DH works full time in a factory job, it’s skilled and payed well, but unfortunately he gets no sick pay, but it awarded well for overtime so it falls to me to deal with the kids, and I am okay with that in a lot of ways. He is managing to go to the Father’s Day event at school next week but he doesn’t go to any of the others.

I know if I stop working it’s in my personalty to feel very nervous about going back to the point I probably wouldn’t ever go back, and as a PP has said you have to want to be a SAHM and after 2 MLs I know that I enjoy working part time.

I’m hoping it’ll be a bit easier when both kids are at school (maybe not!?)

In that case I'd hang in there...at least you have some grandparents support. And I'd also say, don't feel like you must attend absolutely every single thing the school does during the day that they invite parents to... obviously some things will be important but loads of it looking back isn't..

Hellofreshh · 04/06/2025 15:14

@comedy I think OPs partner needs to step up even if it means dropping 1 day a week. The school days get harder and kids want to attend clubs. OP is juggling as though she's a single parent here. It's not fair.

Gogobabyshark · 04/06/2025 15:17

Could you look at three days? I think this would have a better balance

arcticpandas · 04/06/2025 18:50

AmIHumanOrAmIAYeti · 04/06/2025 14:46

Don’t forget to cost out the impact on future earnings, pension and what happens if anything happens to you or your partner.

There is also something that money can't buy: the strong bond you create with your children and knowing they spend their time with the person who loves them most in the world. I have seen so many childminders and nursey workers acting inappropriate with children that I couldn't ever trust anyone unless I knew them beforehand.

AmIHumanOrAmIAYeti · 04/06/2025 19:11

arcticpandas · 04/06/2025 18:50

There is also something that money can't buy: the strong bond you create with your children and knowing they spend their time with the person who loves them most in the world. I have seen so many childminders and nursey workers acting inappropriate with children that I couldn't ever trust anyone unless I knew them beforehand.

That’s fine, although I doubt very much that the bond is that much stronger between those that see their children slightly less.

Men seem not to have such strong feelings about it. But then they aren’t the ones likely to be in pension poverty in old age like women are. Memories don’t keep you warm in your dotage.

arcticpandas · 04/06/2025 21:06

AmIHumanOrAmIAYeti · 04/06/2025 19:11

That’s fine, although I doubt very much that the bond is that much stronger between those that see their children slightly less.

Men seem not to have such strong feelings about it. But then they aren’t the ones likely to be in pension poverty in old age like women are. Memories don’t keep you warm in your dotage.

Edited

Slightly less? If you leave your child 8-17 you got some stressful hours in the evening that's all. Where as you got the whole day as a sahm. Not comparable. And being a sahp is temporary for most before children start school unless you got SEN dc like I do.

AmIHumanOrAmIAYeti · 04/06/2025 23:12

arcticpandas · 04/06/2025 21:06

Slightly less? If you leave your child 8-17 you got some stressful hours in the evening that's all. Where as you got the whole day as a sahm. Not comparable. And being a sahp is temporary for most before children start school unless you got SEN dc like I do.

You’re basing that on a lot of assumptions.

AliBaliBee1234 · 04/06/2025 23:46

arcticpandas · 04/06/2025 18:50

There is also something that money can't buy: the strong bond you create with your children and knowing they spend their time with the person who loves them most in the world. I have seen so many childminders and nursey workers acting inappropriate with children that I couldn't ever trust anyone unless I knew them beforehand.

Where have you seen 'so many' childminders & nursery staff act inappropriately? Just out of curiousity?

My mum being a sahm ruined our relationship still to this day. I strongly believe things could have been so different if she'd done to work and had her own time away from us. You need to be a specific type of person.

Mumofteenandtween · 04/06/2025 23:52

opentothought · 04/06/2025 14:52

My DH works full time in a factory job, it’s skilled and payed well, but unfortunately he gets no sick pay, but it awarded well for overtime so it falls to me to deal with the kids, and I am okay with that in a lot of ways. He is managing to go to the Father’s Day event at school next week but he doesn’t go to any of the others.

I know if I stop working it’s in my personalty to feel very nervous about going back to the point I probably wouldn’t ever go back, and as a PP has said you have to want to be a SAHM and after 2 MLs I know that I enjoy working part time.

I’m hoping it’ll be a bit easier when both kids are at school (maybe not!?)

The “one in school, one in nursery” was by far the toughest stage logistically. Everything got so much easier once ds started school.

arcticpandas · 05/06/2025 00:57

AliBaliBee1234 · 04/06/2025 23:46

Where have you seen 'so many' childminders & nursery staff act inappropriately? Just out of curiousity?

My mum being a sahm ruined our relationship still to this day. I strongly believe things could have been so different if she'd done to work and had her own time away from us. You need to be a specific type of person.

Absolutely ! I loved being around children before having children and had experience (aupair, nursery worker then trained to social worker) and I miss having toddlers around now that mine are teens. As soon as my autistic DC is settled I will def go back to work with small children. But we're all different and nobody should feel forced to sah. There are great nurseries and childminders out there. Unfortunately there are some rotten eggs as well so it's important to screen.

LGAT · 05/06/2025 17:06

I put my career on hold, turned down promotions and now earn next to nothing having started and running my own company to be more flexible around my children. I share the work load and childcare with my partner. One complements the other where we can.

Society today is driven by the economy not humanity. I believe in business & capitalism but it needs to be balanced.

Governments want to see growth in the economy and want all parents working as much as possible, there has been increasing push on this over the years and people told they need to get back to work after having children asap. Raising children has also been devalued and considered a burden.

You state "I see my job as my adult time, something I’m proud of and an investment into my pension." You should be proud of your achievements but you should also be proud to be a parent and what you achieve through that. Child raising is seen as a burden and less important than a career. When you look back what are you more likely to say "I wish I had spent more time at the office" or "I wish I spent more time with my children"? I've only ever heard the latter.

When a person or company outsources they outsource what someone else can do better. Why outsource what no one can do better than you?

You are aware of your pension and contributing to it so you are on the ball there. State pension credits are covered by registering for child benefit so no loss of state pension if not working. A few years of missing top up when children are young is not going to affect it significantly (as least not for the value you'll get back with your children), also you still get the tax advantages if your other half pays into your pension for a while, even if less than now.

People may feel shame and guilt if they used child care or when they hear others talk of the harm caused by it. They need to look at the facts and move on, not try to change the facts to suit their feelings. The proverb about planting a tree...Best time to plant a tree: 25 years ago. Next best time: Today. Do what is best for your child today.

The proper research (not something knocked out on funds from a nursery) and evidence from Clinical Psychologists is that typically child care before 3 is harmful. From 3 good childcare is fine. There are exceptions such as if the parent(s) are unable to adequately care for the child then good quality child care maybe better for the child in those circumstances.

The evidence is clear. When a child is 0-3 years they need love and nurture from a primary care giver. They need to be kept safe and feel safe, not abandoned to another. They do not socialise at this age despite the well pushed misconception. This is common sense...human babies are unable to survive on their own. They are so far behind in relevant development compared to other species. Many baby mammals are walking minutes after birth. Humans are not that far along their development...it typically takes a human a good year...this is mirrored in their mental development.

Why is anxiety and mental health issues on the rise? Not the only reason but a contributing factor is children have been farmed out to child care facilities. The most important time in a childs life is 0-3.

When they are at school its important to be there for children after school and before hand. The government push for breakfast clubs at school is a joke...again it is purely economy growth focused and completely the wrong path to take. (Except where children are not getting breakfast at home and socioeconomic reasons in the family mean external provisions are required, but even then the solution is not necessarily send the child to school for breakfast). The government should be more generous with child benefit, forget free nursery places and give the money to parents to decide how to raise their children. Allow parents to be...parents. And stay at home if they wish...in fact promote this importance of this to children and to society.

Sorry to bring the government into it but one of the pressures people face to go back to work are due to finances and this is really hard for people and cannot be avoided in many cases and I feel for these parents. But if it is unavoidable at least knowing what is optimal you can work around this and understand it to be able to counter it as best as possible. And the other pressure caused by government and society is making parents feel they need to go back to work and work as much as possible. That the only sense of achievement is through work and raising children is not important.

Parenting should be a team effort. Maybe now or in time you other half could work a bit less to accommodate you working and take on some of the child care.

I don't mean any offence by my message but I think you under play the value of you in your children's life and the opportunity you have now. Their childhood will fly by.

Adults need to live more like children...in the moment. Focus on each moment with children and not be distracted by the other pressures of life when with them (easier said than done).

No job is more important or has more value than being a parent.

DongDingBell · 05/06/2025 17:25

School events for Father’s Day - not necessary to attend

year 1 induction parents meeting - not necessary to attend

sports morning - not necessary to attend

And your husband absolutely needs to take leave for half the time the kids are off ill. Its not sick leave for either of you - it's dependents leave, annual leave or unpaid leave.

SparkyBlue · 05/06/2025 17:41

AmIHumanOrAmIAYeti · 04/06/2025 14:46

Don’t forget to cost out the impact on future earnings, pension and what happens if anything happens to you or your partner.

It’s a whole other situation when you have a child with additional needs. I’ve been a sahm for almost eight years now which never I’m my wildest dreams did I think would be.

SheilaFentiman · 05/06/2025 17:44

DongDingBell · 05/06/2025 17:25

School events for Father’s Day - not necessary to attend

year 1 induction parents meeting - not necessary to attend

sports morning - not necessary to attend

And your husband absolutely needs to take leave for half the time the kids are off ill. Its not sick leave for either of you - it's dependents leave, annual leave or unpaid leave.

Exactly this. You cannot go to every meeting the school sets up. Ask for the notes on the induction meeting - chances are that an hour meeting can be read in 10 mins. If you can’t do sports day, you can’t do it - or DH books a half day off or takes time in lieu if that’s allowed with his overtime.

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