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An au pair in a caravan?

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marionara · 17/05/2022 00:28

We've just moved into a small two bed house with our one-ish year old, and found out I'm pregnant again!
If I do go ahead with having the new baby I'll need childcare at home, another adult to help me with them both while hubby at work.
Thing is, we don't have a spare room.
Would an au pair/nanny be happy living in a caravan on the driveway? (Very quiet cul-de-sac)
Is this appropriate?
I was thinking of asking a friend if she wanted to live in a caravan (or something else?) here rent free and help look after the little ones. Is this daydreaming?
Can you even live legally in a caravan on a driveway? If not a caravan, then what?
As you can tell, I'm panicking! Thanks!

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Stravaig · 17/05/2022 09:17

It's an odd situation, as usually people with live-in help by definition have big enough homes to sleep them. Why do you want live-in and not just a daily nanny?

It sounds like less than ideal timing and situation, and you're expecting a teenager from another country to paper over the cracks. There are health and wellbeing implications all around, so if you're still early pregnancy, please make sure you consider all your options.

Also, this sounds like a surprise? Have you identified the contraceptive fuck-up, so you're not left in a panic again in the future?

Kanaloa · 17/05/2022 09:19

Why do you want live-in and not just a daily nanny?

I mean that’s a super easy question to answer. Nannies cost money and expect good working conditions. Some teenage girl from another country can be easily taken advantage of and expected to work for little money on poor conditions.

SmileyClare · 17/05/2022 09:25

Why not a daily nanny?

Au pairs are paid around £80 a week because bed and board are provided. There's your answer!
Op is proposing a gross abuse of the au pair set up. They are simply there to help out with tasks around the home and provide some baby sitting in return for being invited into the home as part of the family and supported in going to college or working outside the home..Similar to the help an 18 year old sister might provide.

Stravaig · 17/05/2022 09:30

SmileyClare · 17/05/2022 09:15

If you are genuinely incapacitated by a medical condition and need support (you can't afford) to look after your children then contact adult social services. Help can be provided in the form of childcare vouchers, assistance getting children up, dressed or taken to nursery, bathtimes etc.

You'll need evidence from a doctor or hcp that your condition is affecting your ability to parent and carry out day to day living tasks and you'll be assessed to determine if you qualify.

You also have the choice to terminate this pregnancy if you feel it's going to negatively impact your family and leave you unable to cope physically or mentally.
Your gp can refer you to an abortion clinic who will provide a counselling session before you make a decision that's right for you.

This is fantastic practical advice. Can you access any of this support, OP?

starfishmummy · 17/05/2022 09:30

SAB10 · 17/05/2022 00:45

I'm surprised at the majority of responses tbh! I grew up in vehicles (new age traveller) and it's fine!

There's a big difference between being brought up in a caravan with your family there and being dumped in a caravan on a driveway next to a house.

PeterpiperpickedapeckofpickledPEPPAS · 17/05/2022 09:33

How much money do you have to throw at the problem?
How much space does your property have?
If you could put up a garden office type building in the garden then that could perhaps work ok. Whether or not the building was a mobile caravan or a plumbed in granny flat with bathroom and kitchenette type thing she would need safe and comfortable living conditions and free access to communal areas of your house (kitchen bathroom, living room). Think about how that would work in terms of locking up at night etc. You can’t hire an Au Pair and then kick her out every evening to sleep on the driveway in a dodgy old cheap caravan with no heating. But having a spare room that is actually an annex rather than part of the pain house is another story.
It may be cheaper and easier to put your eldest in nursery for a few mornings a week.
Au Pairs work set numbers of hours. Usually around 25 per week. You can’t expect them to be around to help constantly outside of those times.

Redbone · 17/05/2022 09:35

No, just no! You really haven’t thought this through at all.
How about just putting your toddler into a nursery?

TaranThePigKeeper · 17/05/2022 09:47

Many local authorities don’t allow people to live in caravans on front drives. If yours doesn’t, OP, then the whole thing is off anyway, regardless of the multitude of other reasons why it’s not a good idea.

ChristinaBlang · 17/05/2022 09:51

It isn’t legal to permanently sleep in a caravan on the drive. End of. You haven’t replied to any of the posts mentioning the cost of employing proper help, is this purely a budgetary issue?

Rainbowshine · 17/05/2022 09:59

There was a thread recently about the OP’s neighbour allowing their son to park their motor home and live there, and there’s a need to check that you can have someone living on your drive, and do consider your neighbours. What if the au pair brings friends over for loud gatherings, or makes some kind of nuisance of themselves? Will it be disturbing them? I really don’t think this will work, you need to look at other options like nursery, nannies or home help.

EmilyBolton · 17/05/2022 10:05

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I think you’re underestimating your ability to cope. No one finds early days with 2 easy - but almost all do cope. Sometimes it’s about letting go of certain stuff like housework and concentrating on kids. There is also an element with 2nd one that you don’t focus on them 24/7 like you did with first one …there isn’t the time, as a result you are actually all much more relaxed. You figure that baby is actually ok to not be interacted with every second they are awake!

one other source of help you may want to investigate is a local college teaching nursery courses . They look for short placements with families (usually 1 term) and do prefer families with mixed age groups. The student wouldn’t be with you full time..maybe a few days a week but it will give you a chance to recharge on those days…particularly catching up on sleep. You are expected to “support” the student in terms of allowing them space to complete certain tasks they need to show they can do. Look at local colleges and inquire at ones that do these courses.

I suffered from bad PND with my first dc. As part of a plan to avoid it second time around I investigated this and managed to get a student who came in 3 days a week for around 14 weeks. She started when baby was 3 weeks so it took us up to just at beginning of weaning and end of my maternity leave (it was 6 months then) . She was actually a mum herself of a small child so it was BRILLIANT. I had c- section and always struggled with breastfeeding…she was able to pick up stuff on those days so I could catch up on some sleep, and help with toddler whilst I was wrestling with breastfeeding. She was lovely company and I enjoyed getting involved in some of her assignments.

we also had au pairs when the kids were older and at school. I was working full time then (went back to full time form part time at school age) . We got an au pair to help with school “run”…but actually they walked kids to school and back. Then looked after kids till I got home. That’s worked really well, BUT the kids were older and could explain their needs and tell me if there were any issues.

The au pairs are very young people. Often with no experience of childcare . They’re just teenagers who want to live with a family and attend college to speak English better and do so in return for light childcare and domestic roles.
I would NO WAY leave an au pair with a baby or small toddler. They do not have those skills or experience. Plus the au pair must attend college or language school during the day, maybe not every day but multiple days. They are also staying with you to be immersed in the language- they need to be around you for meals, social time etc to absorb that- not stuck in a caravan alone in their evenings. Add to that their English is pretty basic when they arrive. You have to explain stuff slowly, drop slang, sometimes write it down so they can look up and translate. They need a lot of help navigating their new life for first few weeks like sorting college , sorting transport, advising where they can meet people of their own age for social interaction, explain cultural differences. It actually needs effort on yours and rest of families part. Many agencies impose strict limits on amount of time the au pairs can be asked to “work” in return for board, lodging, hosting and pocket money. They could not be supporting you every day from 9-5 for instance. It’s more like 3-4 hours per day usually form 7:30-9:30 and then 3:45 to 5:45 . I really don’t think this is right solution for you

DowagerDuchess · 17/05/2022 10:07

Brexit has killed the au pair market. Have you actually looked at getting one through a reputable agency? It is not possible. To be legal, you must employ them with a full employment contract and they must have the legal right to live and work in the UK. Any au pair already with leave to remain will only consider London zone 1 / 2, and a host of attractive benefits. It is a VERY competitive market.

Prior to brexit any reputable agency would never have countenanced this - the minimum stipulation for accommodation is a proper bedroom with space for desk, wardrobe and bed plus window giving natural light. And au pairs are not recommended to have sole charge of any child under 4.
Consider a mothers help (live out, no sole charge of children) or a part time nanny (budget at least £13.50 per hour + expenses depending on location - salary tends to be higher for younger children).

knittingaddict · 17/05/2022 10:17

Decent caravans aren't cheap. Do you have £10,000 or more to spend upfront?

In most/all places it would be against council rules to live in a caravan on a drive. Someone is guaranteed to report it at some point and what will you do then?

Ohmybod · 17/05/2022 10:20

OP how about, instead of panicking, spending the months ahead trying to address what’s behind the migraines and low energy and doing something about it? Unless you have already and there’s some info on that missing from your posts?

You are doing yourself a disservice by trying to solve that problem with an au pair. And no, please don’t consider putting an au pair or a friend in your caravan. IMO you would be creating potential for more problems and increasing the chances of developing a migraine!!

HeyBlaby · 17/05/2022 10:22

What a melt.

marionara · 17/05/2022 10:25

Just to clarify for all the strong reactions out there, it would have in no way been done in an exploitative way, any caravan I would have on my property would be of a very high standard and extremely large and comfortable. I would've paid very well and only required the 'insert whatever job title is appropriate' to generally help out, no sole charge required. I wasn't looking to exploit anyone in any way, I was just seeing what my options were. As I said, I considered my friend, not a 'vulnerable foreign teenager.' Anyone who did help me would absolutely be part of the family, they'd just sleep in a really plush caravan at night. Anyway!
Honestly, I'm just trying to find a way to make it so I can have this baby and not have to consider termination, due to my health problems meaning I struggle to cope alone for long periods. I'm not a dick so no need to talk to me like one. I love mumsnet, but this thread really has brought out the stereotypical reactionary monsters. Will reconsider, thanks.

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DaisyQuakeJohnson · 17/05/2022 10:25

You need decent childcare and to address your health issues.

You don't need an au pair. And no you can't ask them to live in a caravan on your drive. This is not anti-caravans. It's anti poor working conditions and goady bullshit.

DaisyQuakeJohnson · 17/05/2022 10:26

For the amount of money you'd need to spend on a plush, really nice caravan, you could pay for a small extension and add another bedroom if you have space.

Innocenta · 17/05/2022 10:27

@marionara honestly, what you need is really thorough care to address the migraines. It is amazing what a difference that can make. What 'level' of migraine management are you on currently? If you want I can let you know the name of a great specialist via PM.

ElenaSt · 17/05/2022 10:40

It's a preposterous idea but let's say you found some mug to live in a caravan on your drive.

What insurance will cover her permanently living there?

Who is responsible if there is a fire and her belongings are damaged? Or a break in? Or the caravan being stolen from your drive?

What if someone breaks into the caravan at night and attacks her?

What if she isn't hood at the job but is already living in the caravan and doesn't want to leave? Legal costs of eviction?

I cannot get my head around it at all!

I do know of a family who had a garden room turned into a studio with a toilet and shower and sofa as well as a bed. It has heat and light.

All she has to do was come in the back door to use the kitchen.

The garden room cost the equivalent of a small house in some parts of the U.K., though!

iminthebath12 · 17/05/2022 10:43

You need an au pair to live with you if you have 2 children? Wow...

Spudlet · 17/05/2022 10:44

It’s also probably worth pointing out that while a garden room might qualify as permitted development (depending on the size and your local authority), if someone is going to sleep in it it needs to have building regs, which adds to the cost. We’re putting one up for my business at the moment so I’ve been doing a lot of reading.

RollOnWinter · 17/05/2022 10:45

Most mums manage to look after their children without an au pair! Many do so without a father around. Are you anxious about having a 2nd child? How far along in the pregnancy are you?

I know what you mean about migraines - I was pregnant with my 2nd when I started having them, so was unable to take medication. They used to last for 4 days. I didn't have any help, my husband worked long hours. Yes, it was tough, but we managed.

ohidoliketobe · 17/05/2022 10:46

For a caravan the size and standard you've described in you most recent post you'll be paying tens of thousands for. An extension or even a larger house might actually be more cost effective!

jamoncrumpets · 17/05/2022 10:48

I have CF, lupus, mast cell activation syndrome and IBD. I parent two kids, one of whom is disabled and has complex additional needs. It's possible, OP.