Childminder breaking rules?

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This isn't the first time my childminder has done similar, so I'm looking for either confirmation that she shouldn't have done it, or to be told that I shouldn't be bothered by it!
Yesterday the childminder had to pick her own child up from school at 10am as they'd had an accident and needed to be taken to hospital. My child is in preschool, and needed to be picked up at 11.45am. Cm made no attempt to contact me, and instead arranged for her mother to pick up my child and one other mindee. (The fact that the mother is not on the school's permitted pick up list is a different complaint!)!The cm's mother took my child back to the cm house and took care of her until 2.45 when the cm returned from the hospital with her own child.
First I heard of this was at pickup at 5.30pm.
Cm and her mom used to be co-minders, but haven't been for over a year and a half. My dc is 3. I've never signed to say that the cm can leave my child with her mom, nor that my child can be driven around in the Mom's car, which is what happened yesterday.
While I appreciate that the cm priority was her own child and taking them to hospital (not life threatening, I'm not heartless!), am I unreasonable to think she should have at least sent me a text to say what was happening and give us the option to collect my dc from nursery ourselves? Has she broken regulations?

Lindy no problem at all with her taking her own child to the hospital. I'd have done the same if it was the other way round, it's the lack of communication that worries me.

A few months ago I got to the house to pick up dd and cm mom was taking care of her as the cm had gone to a sports presentation for her older child. I wasn't told about this either, so you're right that I feel aggrieved so am probably more annoyed that I would be normally if it was a one off. She also had ofsted visit and didn't tell me until the day after, and then only because dd had told me that a lady had been to watch them play. Cm had claimed to have a medical appointment that morning so couldn't take all of the children to school so her mom did the school run again.
A text message each time gives me the choice over the care for my child, emergency or not, but I take on board people's views. Perhaps she was so worried that she forgot to text. Hard to bring that up with her when it's for a personal emergency without sounding totally uncompassionate though now.
Preschool will be getting a complaint for releasing my child to someone who is 100% not on my authorised people list though. Cm mom definitely didn't have the password to pick dd up either, I checked with the cm today.

You sound like you want to get her in trouble with ofsted.

I'm another one that would'nt have an issue with this, she left your kid with her Mum, an ex childminder.

My first question to the cm after seeing my perfectly ok child and after being told about what had happened would have been "how is you child"?.

She was a worried parent, don't be an arse, find another cm if you don't trust her judgement.

Childminder was out of order, but preschool should be reported as their behavior was absolutely unacceptable.

Oh here we go drip drip drip.

Clearly you are'nt happy with her so find another cm.

sorry op, I think it's great the cm sorted this out.
a finger caught in a door could easily be broken and parental consent might be needed for some treatments.
your comment about it not being a mortal injury gives me the impression you are a hard woman to please and rather nasty.
how would you like it if someone described your child's injury in that way.
personally if you lit into me for this i'd resign.

Not drip drip, I was asked and answered.
When I saw her, I asked her how her child was, and didn't say anything at all about the fact she should have contacted me, nor do I intend to report her, as I don't want her to get in a lot of trouble for it.
Posting in a childminder area I was seeking opinions, which are mixed, and my previous experiences have made me irritated whenever another thing happens, perhaps more quickly than I would if it were a one off, that's all.

out2pasture the mortal injury comment was flippant, I agree, but I was just trying to say that it wasn't a case of being rushed to hospital with blue lights, in which case you'd drop everything and just go. As it was a minor injury there was time for a text.
I suppose I am seeking a certain level of communication, regardless of circumstance, as it is a service that I pay for - that doesn't make me nasty! Again, I've not said these things to her, it's just what I've mulled over since the incident which happened on Monday.

Sorry, Tuesday, not Monday, I'm losing track of days now it's past midnight!

memyselfandaye I said in my op that it isn't the first time similar had happened, so it's not drip feeding!

When I did my childminding course we had to have a procedure exactly like the one you have outlined above with a nominated person who could step in. Yes a text would have been good, but she would have been panicked / rushed I would imagine and so I would be forgiving of that.

Do you trust her generally? This sounds like such a none issue that I'd be questioning your response and digging deeper to find out what the real issue is.

My cousin needed takingvto A&e after doing a similar thing .. her whole finger had essentially 'exploded' and needed loads of stitching back together and was wrapped for a good 6 weeks ...

RodeoDriveBaby it doesn't make sense to me that a childminder would leave the child she's looking after (OPs child) with what is essentially a stranger when that person isn't a stranger to her own child....yes I get wanting to take your own kid to the hospital but the other way round would have been much more professional and not half as weird.

YANBU.
She should not have let anyone else collect you child and look after them without your prior agreement. I'd be FUMING and straight on to ofstead.

The 2 hour rule for assistants doesn't apply for childminders. All childminders have to have a back up emergency procedure. For some reason it sounds like you weren't made aware of your CMs.
Again, it would have been nice of her to inform you but I don't think she actually broke any rules.

It downs sound like the mother is CURRENTLY her back up/co-miner. That's where the problem lies for me. It should be in the paperwork. If it's not then that's a breach.

Cherry- it was an emergency! Her own child needed medical care. The CM was possibly a bit thoughtless to not inform parent, and also should have shown parent her emergency policies... but she doesn't need to be reported to Ofsted! Especially if OP hasn't even spoken to her about it.
Childminders are human too FFS

It will be in the paperwork. The CM won't have passed her ofsted inspection without having an emergency procedure so unless she is now secretly not a registered childminder, it was in her paperwork. For some reason this wasn't shown to OP. Sounds like a genuine oversight.

I meant is not currently her back up. Silly fat fingers

You can pay someone for two full weeks so the two hour rule isn't the only one- I guess this is to cover alternative childcare when cm on holiday or similar so legally fine to 'pay' the mum .
Id want to be notified but to be fair her kid could have been in a lot of pain and that would be her priority - a trapped finger could be broken and it's agony if you break it so it's not a minor thing . I found it more painful than childbirth when I trapped mine in the loft ladder

Childminder here.
Yes, she has broken the rules.
Children should not be left with an unregestered person. She should have rung you and let you know what was happening, she certainly shouldn't have waited until you picked up to inform you.
I would also be having words with the preschool, they shouldn't have let the children go with someone who isn't on the collection list.
I would not be happy at all.

Fuming and straight onto OFSTED? Without even having a talk about what you would like to happen in the future/what should legally happen etc? Possibly leaving you without childcare? Get ironed out what would be deemed acceptable in future op, if you are happy with all other aspects.

The sports presentation etc is rather different. There does appear to be a lack of communication. To cover for non emergenies her mum would need to be either registered as a co minder or assistant. You should be informed of that and when it is preplanned that she will cover. Ask your childminder about it she may be able to put your mind at rest and explain. You can then decide if the set up is right for you.
It seems to me to be a communication problem at this stage rather than a care/ofsted problem.

My co minder has now resigned as a minder but has reregistered as my assistant her first aid is still up to date. So the fact her mum is no longer a cm does not mean she has no first aid.

If there is an emergency you can leave mindees with anyone you deem responsible adult.....How do we know what information she had when she got a call saying your child is injured and needs to go to hospital....the setting would not know if it was major or minor....so how do we know what panic a parent is in when they get that call as a parent you desperately want to be with your distressed child knowing they are in pain. DO you say Oh no I cant go until I've done xyz or I better get gran to do it instead while I sit here caring for other peoples children?
When you go to hospital it takes time to get there time to be seen time to get an xray all in which your not allowed to use a phone so do you leave your distressed crying child alone while you leave the building to do this?

No matter what we would like to think we would do at the time we are caught up with being a parent not worrying about children who are perfectly safe and happy.

My son was knocked off his bike and ambulanced to hospital turned out not to be more than a bruise so not life threatening after the event but an emergency at the time. He got his had caught in a friends door I dint know if it was severed or not from the panicked call I received from the mum who called the words I got were blood hospital finger and my song screaming.

Mindees children loose so much in their growing up at least let them be parent and child when they are hurt and let her treat her child as you would want to treat yours. Because most of us mindees treat your children as we would treat our own if not better every working day.

would her mother have to pay to be insured?
as these are one offs perhaps that is why the other cm, ie her mother isnt named and insured

The cm was absolutely right to go to her dc in hospital. I would be ok with her organising her mum to pick up op's dc. What is out of line is not telling the op that this was her procedure previously and not keeping the op informed when it happened. No one would expect a text immediately but this happened in the morning and op wasn't told until 5.30. We has cause to take out ds to a&e last year, dp came and spent all of 3 minutes texting colleagues at work. And that was just courtesy calls to colleagues, this is about who is caring for op's child.

" op, I've had to rush to hospital with my dc. My mum will be available to pick your dc up from pre school. I assume that's ok. If not you'll need to arrange something yourself for today."

It would have taken under a minute.

With regard to pre school they released a child to a person who wasn't authorised and didn't have the password. This is a serious safe guarding issue.

I can't believe so many posters would be "absolutely fine" about this!

There's no need to be arsey with your cm op, just say that you want a review of procedures. I would complain to pre school though- they were well out of line.