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Tried to help a mum with her head in the clouds, but it backfired

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nally · 27/02/2007 00:21

I looked after a little boy for almost 2 years, 50 hours every week. I suspected for a long time that he had speech difficulties but didn't know whether to say anything or how to say it. I ended up, last June, mentioning to his mum that some people had commented on his speech and, although I am obviously no expert, she might want to get it checked out.
At around the same time he became aggressive, which got worse very quickly. I had always thought some of his behaviour was unusual and read up on it. It looked like he was probably autistic or had asperger syndrome. I didn't want to be the bearer of more bad news.
In October he started pre-school. Within 4 weeks the staff told me that he was very violent towards the children and to them, that he could not follow instructions, he laughed when being told off, became transfixed by the strangest things and that he would have periods of having a glazed expression and not responding to anything or anyone. They decided to my relief to speak to his mum. Four days later, she removed him from pre-school and terminated the childminding contract with me.
I have not seen him since then, 2 and a half months ago. There is a legal thing going on because she owes me money, but my concern is with him.
Will she just keep hiding him away so that she doesn't have to hear the truth? Will he have to wait until he starts school for anything to happen? Will she ever realise that both myself and the pre-school staff were trying to help them both?
I feel very upset. Can anyone say anything to cheer me up?

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Enid · 27/02/2007 11:27

no it was horrible

have realised this subject is too close to my heart to be objective on!

ScummyMummy · 27/02/2007 11:27

What a stupid cruel woman, Enid. I hate her from a distance now.

Aloha · 27/02/2007 11:27

My son's preschool (private nursery) told me his unhappiness there was all my fault .

smeeinit · 27/02/2007 11:27

good point aloha.

Enid · 27/02/2007 11:27

and the nursery still gets an excellent ofsted

coppertop · 27/02/2007 11:28

QM - Nally uses phrases such as "a mum with her head in the clouds" and talks about her "hiding him away". Personally I would remove my child from the care of someone who thought that about me when they have no idea what is really going on.

Enid · 27/02/2007 11:28

lol I presuem you mean alohas earlier post

smeeinit · 27/02/2007 11:29

i do!!! slow typing!!

Jimjams2 · 27/02/2007 11:29

I had concerns about ds1 from the age of 17 months. His nursery raised concerns with me when he was about 22 months. Following that I saw my HV and had him referred to SALT. My attitude was then that he had been referred, the HV was visiting him regularly and that we now had to play an awful waiting game. The nursery said I didn't seem to care that there was anything wrong with him, that I must be stopping him speaking by talking over him - when I said I wasn't they said I must be not talking to him then (he's 7 now and still can't speak, funnily enough his younger brothers can). At that pooint I suiggested they weren;t qualified to armchair analyse him (that went down well) I took him out after finding him sitting on a chair alone in a room with all the other children next door "because he likes it there". He never went back to that place again.

We spent some time at home, I read up a lot, employed some private SALTS and did some work with him. The idea that there is loads of help out there just waiting to be given to pre-school kids from the experts is laughable. My non verbal ds1 didn't get any hands on NHS SALT until he went to special school aged just short of 6. We saw a paediatrician who gave us a leaflet and had 1 hour a week portage- that was it. 90% of his early intervention came from me, from me paying 1000s to attend courses, to learn about his condition and buy in expertise. That continues although we are lucky that he now attends an excellent specail school (via 4 wasted terms in mainstream).

At 3 he started a different nursery that had been recommended to me, where staff worked hard with him, and we worked together to help him. No doubt the first nusery thought I was in denial l, but he actually got far more from me at home than he would have sat in a different room by himself.

The Mum may have heard (from the pre-school) that they spoke to you, and that may be why she removed him. Or maybe she is looking into a home programme, or maybe she needs some time to come to terms with it all.

beckybrastraps · 27/02/2007 11:29

I would want a CM to discuss his/her concerns with me.

I would not want a nursery/pre-school to discuss their concerns with the CM. Not on something so serious. That is unacceptable.

Aloha · 27/02/2007 11:29

I'm sorry if I had a go at you smee. As a mother with a young child who was unhappy with a childminder and at a preschool because of his special needs (and a LOT happier 'hidden away' at home with me ) do feel very cross at what I see as a lack of undestanding in the OP and in the behaviour of the preschool.

ScummyMummy · 27/02/2007 11:30

Yes- am sure smee meant the earlier post!
I agree with coppertop re nally's language. It always astonishes me the way parents are pilloried and blamed for the way they respond to finding out about potential special needs.

smeeinit · 27/02/2007 11:31

dont apoigise aloha,this is an open forum,we all have differnet views.
anyway wheres nally??.....................leaving me ere to fight her battles!!!

NurseyJo · 27/02/2007 11:32

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Katymac · 27/02/2007 11:32

One of the first things I was asked to do on my last SN course (concerning a child with no diagnosis) was to discuss it with the nursery/school that the child aslo attended

This was to find out if the bahaviour was consistant or if it were just at my house

So - talking to nursery/school staff happens regularily - I am sorry if this upsets you all

Aloha · 27/02/2007 11:33

Oh Scummy, I think it is completely normal for parents of children with special needs to get told it is their fault at various points along the way. Particularly if the child is somewhere on the autistic spectrum.

Enid · 27/02/2007 11:35

interesting katiemac

god it would annoy me though

ScummyMummy · 27/02/2007 11:35

I agree, aloha. Usually by the undertrained and undersympathetic.

NurseyJo · 27/02/2007 11:35

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Jimjams2 · 27/02/2007 11:37

oh god yes we all know that- yabbering away behind parents backs like we're some sort of simpletons. A SALT who had never met me OR ds1 told the SENCO at ds1's school that I was well known for "being in denial" (erm this would be me who thought ds1 had autism over a year before he was diagnosed would it- I know where that came from and the instigator of that rumour is bloody dangerous- I have yet to find a parent who doesn't think that). Luckily for me the SENCO rang the nursery to ask if it was true, and they were able to tell them no. I couldn't complain as I wasn't meant to know.

I have found that once you get into dealing with people who really understand SN (such as ds1's special school) they start involving you in their conversations. It's much easier all round.

ScummyMummy · 27/02/2007 11:37

There is nothing wrong with childminders speaking to nurseries. There is a lot wrong with parents not being informed in a sensitive manner.

happybiggirl · 27/02/2007 11:38

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ScummyMummy · 27/02/2007 11:39

I hope there are lots of childminders like you, nurseyjo.

Jimjams2 · 27/02/2007 11:40

I sent my borderline at 21 months ds3 to ds1 and ds2's old nursery because I knew they would be honest with me about his socialisation etc.

Aloha · 27/02/2007 11:40

What would really, really upset me is the nursery/school talking to the childminder instead of me. I would find that unacceptable about such a serious matter. Yes, tell the cm if she does pick up that little Sam wet himself or that he didn't eat any dinner or he seemed a bit tired or unwell, but if you have serious concerns call the parent and arrange a meeting.