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CRB check - DH with a past - advice please

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KEGirlOnFire · 03/08/2014 10:47

I am planning to become a childminder. I am still fully employed so haven't yet started the process but I am aware that we will both need to be crb checked. Mine will be clear but my dh had a conviction for possession of cannabis when he was 23 (15 years ago). Obviously this was when he was much younger and certainly he doesn't do anything like it now (and I've never even smoked a cigarette!!!). I just want to know what the implication of this might be for being a childminder?

Other than knowing that we will be crb checked I don't know how it will be used by ofsted or the council.

Any ideas?

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HSMMaCM · 03/08/2014 10:52

If Ofsted are happy it's not current and don't see it as a risk for children I would have thought you'd be ok. Not sure if they do extra medical checks for this kind of conviction ????

fackinell · 03/08/2014 11:05

Ofsted are only concerned with class A convictions such as murder, rape, sexual abuse etc. You would not be passed as a RCM with any of those. His old conviction will show on there, however.

I was a RCM and my exP had a DUI conviction (in 20s, idiot!!) and for theft (as a minor.) mine was clean. I put both in the parents folder back to back and never drew attention to them. They were available for all to see but not one person looked.

You have to have the info available but if its mentioned, I'd just say, 'yes, he was young and stupid but thank goodness we all grow up.' As long as he's not doing it now it should be no problem.

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KEGirlOnFire · 03/08/2014 11:20

He has just admitted some motoring convictions and ABH aswell. Again all in his late teens and early 20s. Being a cm was my dream and now I am devestated. Is there any point at all?

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fackinell · 03/08/2014 11:29

Ahhh, you may have a problem with the ABH. Sorry
The only way around it would be to use other premises, maybe set up with a friend and use their's. That sucks, feel for you.

paddleduck · 03/08/2014 11:31

I'd be more concerned that he hasn't admitted his previous convictions to you before. . Smoking weed as a youngster is one thing.. ABH?

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KEGirlOnFire · 03/08/2014 12:37

His best mate is a police officer so he's going to see if he can provide me with a full understanding of all of the convictions because he 'can't remember' (seriously???!!!) whether he went to court for the violence (whatever it was...) or not. He went through a very rough patch when his mum committed suicide when he was 15. We are both professional people and this was my opportunity (after working for 24 years in a job I don't enjoy) to finally start doing something that I want to do. He loves his job, it's alright for him!!

He knows that I am dead against all drugs, smoking etc and so over the years he has given me snippets of information but never all of it.

Is there any way of having a crb check done before I go through the whole process?

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noblegiraffe · 03/08/2014 12:48

Clients will ask to see the CRB checks (or whatever they are called now). However a really old conviction might not put them off. My childminder's DH has an assault on his CRB from years ago and she's always fully booked up.

fackinell · 03/08/2014 12:51

Yes, you can do one yourself on the CRB website but unfortunately it won't let you know if the offenses will be passed by Ofsted. They would be my first call tbh, tell them exactly what you've told us and they will help advise you.

People do a lot of silly things in their younger years, he's probably tried to block out the details in his shame of it all. Nobody will be judging but you do need to know. Do you want to CM to fit in with plans for your own children? If not there are other areas equally rewarding like TA or nursery school work.

Cindy34 · 03/08/2014 13:03

There are third party companies who will do a DBS check at quite a high cost. It won't help though as all it will do is list convictions, cautions, not say if Ofsted would take those into account.

How about he emails Ofsted, tells them the date of the ABH and asks if it will mean childminding could not take place at his home, or if it could happen as long as he was not present at times minded children were present.

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KEGirlOnFire · 03/08/2014 13:17

I keep forgetting to say thank you to you all!!

So, spoken to his friend who has confirmed that he does NOT have any convictions for anything violence related (thank goodness) and any 'cautions' that he's received (drunken fight outside a club when he was a teen) will not be visible because they are over 10 years old. But there are a couple of drug related ones. He has told him to go to the local police station and for around £10 they will give him the information.

I just want to know everything before I decide whether it is worth going through the process. At least if I know everything, I may be able to weigh up the odds... I am booked in for the pre-registration briefing session in september so I may well have a quiet word at the end, armed with the information and take guidance from them.

I told him this morning that I wish I hadn't married him but I said it in front of our 5 year old dd. I wasn't joking but we have never even had a cross word in front of her before.

I am thinking of being a TA aswell so that will be an alternative.

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Cindy34 · 03/08/2014 13:20

Try to find some information about if spent cautions show up on a DBS enhanced check. I would not be certain that they won't show up, so when applying I feel he should declare them - then he is not hiding things from Ofsted and they may view it better than finding out when DBS check comes through.

Cindy34 · 03/08/2014 13:22

Some info here about what an Enhanced DBS will disclose about spent convictions/cautions.

realitygone · 03/08/2014 13:25

Ofsted will do a dbs check and then come out and meet you.

They may ask for a reference from your dh work about his character now.

I wouldn't write yourself off before you have even begun

lanbro · 03/08/2014 13:25

A friend spent a very short while in prison for ABH over 25 years ago and passed a CRB.

Cindy34 · 03/08/2014 13:46

Getting a Subject Access Request will be useful, so he should do as his friend says and see what police hold about him. He also needs to be honest with you, talk to you about his past.

You married him for better or for worse, so do try to understand things from his point of view. Things happened a while ago which he now may not feel very good about so did not tell you. Rightly or wrongly he made that decision not to tell you but now he needs to do so, you don't want any surprises.

Ofsted will take time into account, so the longer ago these things are the better. It may well delay the application process whilst Ofsted look into things, interview him (he must be totally honest with them). They have to take a risk based approach, does he pose a risk to children or adults now, might he in the future.

Drugs offences, are those recent?

adp73 · 03/08/2014 14:04

+I have no idea about any previous cations etc and it seems as if you have had some very good advise.

However you do not have to show any prospective parents your DBS or your husbands DBS. The DBS document that you receive is your property as is your husbands. It is a confidential document. You as the cm will get a letter from Ofsted telling you that your husband is a suitable person to be around children you will not have his DBS Cert. All you need to have is the letter.

Parents will know you are a suitable person because Ofsted have registered you.

I have been a cm long enough that I don't have a CRB done by Ofsted anyway so I couldn't show it to parents even if they wanted to see it.

I don't think we should forget that as individuals we have as much right to Confidentiality when it comes to personal information and documents we do not have to show them to strangers they contain some very personal information. I wouldn't dream of having them in a folder for parents to see.

fackinell · 03/08/2014 14:34

Spent convictions and even those committed as a minor will show on a CRB, my exes did and we were quite shocked as were told it probably wouldn't. I think he should get away with possession if there was no intent to supply. The Class A convictions they will be concerned with are all about harming others, particularly the vulnerable.

I was told by my inspector that I had to have all docs where parents could access them and to put our CRBs in the policies and procedures folder. I was told this should also be on show in a place where parents could pick it up and look at it whenever they wished. I am talking 5 yrs ago though so this may have changed.

Picturesinthefirelight · 03/08/2014 14:37

I once employed someone who had juvenile convictions for ABH (assaulting a police officer & resisting arrest no less) on a drunken teen night out )

It showed up on her CRB but didn't stop her becoming a school teacher.

OutragedFromLeeds · 03/08/2014 14:51

If the childminding doesn't work out, you can try nannying.

adp73 · 04/08/2014 12:54

fackinell It will be very difficult for you to put documents that do not belong to you in your folder. The only CRB/DBS that actually belongs to you is your own any others belong to the person who has had them done and they are Confidential. The only person who needs to know their content is Ofsted who Register you. Now parent needs to see them nor do they have the right to see them They contain highly personal information I would never put mine on show never mind those of other people. Your inspector was talking nonsense and more childminders need to question such requests with 'Why do I need to put these on show?' Ofsted wouldn't have Registered you if you had a suspect CRB/DBS, they are only as good as they day they are printed anyway so they can be of no possible help or interest to any parent. If any parent visits and expresses concern you refer them to Ofsted who will reassure them that you and your family have been suitably checked. It really makes me cross when I hear about incidents like this. We do not have to have our entire personal life, documents and checks on show to anyone but Ofsted.

higgle · 04/08/2014 13:02

I run a care service and I am aware that our local authority and other providers have employed care assistants with assault convictions, so long as they are some years old and there are no aggravating circumstances ( the one I'm thinking of was getting in a scrap with a woman who had run off with her husband, obviously not appropriate for assaulting service user)

insancerre · 04/08/2014 13:07

You might want to check out the new version ofthe eyfs becoming law in sSeptember
It is tightening up the regulations around CMA and there is something about people who live with child carers and their convictions etc. affecting the dbs

fackinell · 04/08/2014 14:04

Thanks for that info, adp. I wasn't aware of that. I don't CM now but good for future reference. I had no problem showing mine as it was squeaky clean but was a bit about exDP!!

AlpacaMyBags · 04/08/2014 14:17

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KEGirlOnFire · 04/08/2014 15:29

Thanks again.

Once he has got the documents from the Police station I will list their contents on here to give a clearer view of exactly what I'm up against.

I don't want to do Nannying but I will look at being a TA if the childminding doesn't work out.

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