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Is my CM over her numbers and general advise please

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Needanewcm · 09/01/2014 13:07

Hello,
Have name changed to post this.
I have a lovely CM who my DD adores. She has been with her for 9 months now but I have become slightly worried about a few things, firstly that she is over her allowed numbers.

So yesterday I drop DD off and these are the children she has there.
DD (age 2)
Her son (age 3 but was at preschool in mornings so not actually there)
Boy (4 but only there in mornings when her son is at preschool)
Boy (4 but only there 9-3)
Boy (age 1 there until 3 apparently but often there later I've found - it was her being strange about the hours he was there that got me thinking she might be over)

Does her son count as a full place even if at preschool?
It seems a lot of under 5 year olds.

She had a friend there who I could see was feeding a child, but I don't believe this is a helper - I've not been informed of that fact and would want to check all the checks had been done etc. Would she have to tell parents if she had a helper?

I also worry that the tv is always on. I understood it would be on in mornings and eves as there are quite a few before and after schoolers - I am fine with this. However I don't really want it on all day and it has been the few ties I've recently picked DD up at "odd" times. Is this normal? What do other CMs do?

Finally, what outings do most CMs do? At the start we were told they would do various groups, outings etc. I would say she goes to one group a week whilst my DD is there, and once or twice to a soft play. Fully appreciate that the weather has been bad but I'd expect a trip to the park or a walk in the local field/ garden each day. I think the high numbers of young children are stopping her getting out and about, and the various pick ups and drop offs (9, 1 and 3) prevent activities. Again, is this usual?

Don't want to be super fussy but really considering looking elsewhere for childcare. Only thing stopping me is that my DD does seem to love the CM. Just not sure she gets the time/attention she should with so many other young children.
Do you think these are normal things?
Thanks!

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minderjinx · 10/01/2014 15:12

Sorry, I meant "I was however against the increase in ratios..."

Blondeshavemorefun · 10/01/2014 20:52

I've always the same as Leeds - I have had 3 under 5 a few time and once 4 under 4 - twins 6mths - 2.5 and 3.5

It must be the possibility of older children over 5's

HSMMaCM · 10/01/2014 21:06

But whatever happens it's no more than 6 under 8, so if a CM has 5 under 5, then they can only have one school child under 8.

Marshathecm · 13/01/2014 13:05

I'm alittle confused as I understood that certificates do not snow number of children we can care for under 5. According to ofsted if you can prove/show you can care for 4 under 5 by showing risk assessments etc than this is ok. So by having 4 children under new ofsted she is not over her numbers. I have just spoken to ofsted to get this confirmed as there may be an occasion on one day for a few hours that I will have 4 under 5.

HSMMaCM · 13/01/2014 13:27

From Ofsted:

  1. In some circumstances, childminders may care for more children in the early years age group, providing they do not exceed the maximum number of six children at any one time. These circumstances are exceptional and are not intended to be the norm. How to decide on when to apply such an exception is explained in paragraphs 6–9. Childminders do not have to inform or seek permission from Ofsted to change the number of children they care for. However, they must be able to demonstrate at all times that they meet the needs of all the children who attend. This includes their care needs and helping them to make progress in their learning and development.

From statutory framework:

Childminders
3.39 At any one time, childminders may care for a maximum of six children under the age of eight. Of these six children, a maximum of three may be young children,and there should only be one child under the age of one. Any care provided for older children must not adversely affect the care of children receiving early years provision.
3.40 If a childminder can demonstrate to parents and/or carers and inspectors, that the individual needs of all the children are being met, then exceptions to the usual ratios can be made when childminders are caring for sibling babies, or when caring for their own baby. If children aged four and five only attend the childminding setting before and/or after a normal school day, and/or during school holidays, they may be cared for at the same time as three other young children. But in all circumstances, the total number of children under the age of eight being cared for must not exceed six.

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