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AliGrylls · 03/12/2009 07:47

I am curious to know how much hypno birthing helps.

A friend of mine tried it and was in established labour for 3 hours. She says that she thinks it was so short purely because of the hypno birthing she did.

I have always been quite sceptical of such alternative medicine particularly when it comes to child birth so I am curious to know if other people have had a similar experience.

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joanne34 · 10/02/2010 13:40

Anyone Hypnobirthed lately ? Need more positive input..... EDD fast approaching.

I keep falling asleep to the CD !

decaffeinated · 10/02/2010 16:21

I did the Hypnobirthing course at 34 wks before my first born arrived 2 years ago. I didn't get to try any of the techniques as I had a placenta praevia which was missed at 20 wk scan and meant I had to have a c-section, but being able to really relax and stay calm really helped me in my birth experience.

As many people have said, it's really crucial to actually listen to the relaxation CD every day so that it actually relaxes you when the time comes to use it for real.

I'm now preg with my second child (35 weeks) and having just found this (fantastic and positive!) thread, which has brought it all back and I've just booked onto another Hypnobirthing course, as I've been sh**ting myself about the arrival of this next baby, especially with the whole c-section vs vbac debate that's been raging in my head!

I'm now 90% convinced that I'm going to give VBAC a go with the help of Hypnobirthing techniques.

HB really does help put you in a positive frame of mind so that whatever your birth throws at you, you can deal with it and stay cool as a cucumber.

I think the other thing worth mentioning is how beneficial my DH found the course. He felt very empowered to know that he would be armed with the know how to be my ambassador while I got on with being in labour. Or in our case, to prevent a suggested induction which as it happens would have been a disaster!

In answer to Summerhols, personally, I think you need to do the course to be able to benefit fully, as you don't get all the info from the book and CD.

decaffeinated · 10/02/2010 16:22

Ooh and Joanne34, I always fell asleep to the CD, but it still worked for me

OhForASilentNight · 10/02/2010 20:08

DD1: no hypnobirthing, 36 hr labour, gas and air, pethedine, epidural, attempted ventouse, forceps and 3rd degree tear...

DD2 (8 days ago): hypnobirthing CD (couldn'tafford course), 3 hrs of labour, half hour of gas and air, easy birth, felt completely in control, no tearing, barely any monitoring even and went home happy and comfy 7 hr later... Baby is now also really settled, feeding well, etc which I think is partially due to very positive experience and me being so happy and relaxed.

Was sceptical to begin with but practised breathing and relaxation techniques whenever I got cramp in legs during pg and cramp eased immediately!

smilehomebirth · 10/02/2010 20:37

I read "Hypnobirthing, the Mongan Method" over and over in my second pregnancy, and practised the techniques - it worked a treat, had a fantastic home waterbirth with no drugs. Same for 2 of my friends also. Definitely recommend it.

Have also read the Natal Hypnotherapy book "Effective Birth Preparation" by Maggie Howell - I reckon that's a must read, (and possibly a must go and do the course) particularly for anyone who fears birth, for example if you'd had a horrible time last time. Good techniques for letting fear go and increase your confidence.

greedyguts · 10/02/2010 21:15

DH & I did a course on the Mongan method of hypnobirthing before the birth of ds1. Listened to the CDs regularly, read the books and had a huge hairy bloke in my living room every Monday for 6 weeks getting me to visualise a sunset from a beach.

I put in a lot of practise & found it wonderful for relaxation. However I ended up going 14 days over and being induced - not exactly the natural methods that the book talks about. Had 10 hour labour & it certainly wasn't pain free. Ended up with epidural & a forceps as baby had cord round neck. Not ideal, but I think the hypnobirthing techniques helped me stay reasonably calm & cope with it all.

Did it all again before birth of ds2 (skipped the hairy man this time). Completely brilliant. Again induced, but only after 7 days this time. 2 hours in established labour (opted to have waters broken this time) and only had paracetamol for pain relief. It was an amazing experience. Very different to the first time round.

Even though it didn't work for me 1st time round, I'd definitely recommend it. The techniques are great for all sorts of scenarios.

And if you're prepared to put in regular practise and read all the books yourself then I don't think you necessarily need a course.

smilehomebirth · 12/02/2010 17:49

Course, one problem is, it's difficult to know how much it helps. For instance, if you do it all and still have a horrible birth - who's to say it wouldn't have been vastly worse without it??

lawrieisluckybutnickyisnicer · 12/02/2010 22:50

i always fell asleep to the natal hypno cd. often quite early on. when i woke i would always crave sugar and took to putting choc / biscs etc by bed to make sure i got up rather than rolled over back to sleep again.

(posted before as swottbett - painless hb, went into deep hypnotic state, blissed out from first contraction til waters broke. i lost it a bit then but ds came 3 min later so it wasnt so bad!)

justbeme · 12/02/2010 23:24

So for anyone who has been through the HB experience - I've always found the pushing stage really awful. Yet the books say that with HB you don't push, you breath down and maybe "nudge" (Im not sure of what that means). Can this really happen, as Im sure my body just wanted to push, although I can understand that by pushing your body tenses up and it might be counterproductive.
Can anyone explain how they managed this part of labour for me in simple terms??!!

SpeedyGonzalez · 12/02/2010 23:32

This thread is JUST what I need! Used Maggie's CD for first birth (though not as conscientiously as I should have) and it made a huge difference - awesome home labour, but crap hospital birth . Ended up with avoidable tear and am now planning HB.

Started reading Ina May's book 2 nights ago and realised I now have some anxiety over labour and birth, so today I started asking myself whether hypnobirthing might be a better route.

However, having read this thread, (and HUGE thanks to swotty for your great list of tips) I can see that I can make more of Maggie's CD than I did before so I will start listening to it every other day - with 9 weeks to go that should get quite a few sessions under my belt! Will also follow all your other tips, swotty.

Thanks all.

porcamiseria · 13/02/2010 10:34

QUESTION! does it work if you are induced???? i was first time and pain so intense had the usual epi/ventouse/epis experience, I did not give birth , just had baby taken out of me

I really want to try this second time. but am curious if it works when you are on that bloody drip

lawrieisluckybutnickyisnicer · 13/02/2010 23:41

re the pushing thing. i had nasty tear when i had dd (dc1, induction, epidural etc) and was determined second time round to do everything in my power to not tear.

i read up on birth a lot when preg with ds. two things i found most useful re pushing were in a book called "birth skills" by i think juji sumin (that name is wrong, sorry, but book title is right) and a some of the material in a yoga pregnancy book (again cant remember all details but it was from the teach yourself series). actually, thinking about it the juju sumin stuff was by far the most useful.

i read this stuff, didnt get round to doing the exercises, but was basically convinced i would push really slowly, controlled, internalise breath, not scream (see juju for more details re why you don't scream).

anyhoos i got through first stage of labour easy. just chanted these three words from the natal hypnotherapy cd through every contraction. really, no pain.

then waters broke (fully dilated at this point) and ohmygodithurt and all my chanting went to shit. i remember screaming. and at that point i remembered about not screaming and instead holding breath in and using that to push downwards. and baby was out in three more pushes (two min). remembering all the stuff i had read about pushing really helped. it was just for a fraction of a moment, but it did all come back to me.

i was really lucky cause baby was so low and ready at that point it would have happened quickly anyway. but i do think all my prep helped me focus once i had my jiggery moment of losing control when the nature of labour changed.

one thing i recommended before is to listen to the cd when clear headed and make a not of key phrases to use i labour. it was doing that that got me the words "power pressure warmth" for each contraction. what i hadnt done was make a note of any of the words in the cd script that talked about pushing stage - i wish i had done that cause i was lost there for a moment

incidentally, all that going slow so i dont care stuff went straight out the window. who can do that? mental! puuuusssshhhhh! first degree tear, barely noticed after though.

the stuff about nudging downwards, i cant really explain it. i didnt really get that from the natal hypno cd, but instead from the reading. so i would recommend them. it's just kind of hold your breath and doing kind of pelvic floor type things. told you i couldnt explain it

GOOD LUCK Y'ALL. LISTEN TO THE CD LOADS! I remember this time last year i was four months preg and did MN searches to see if hypnosis could possibly work. i was sceptical but figured that if it even made it made labour even one degree less painful it was worth a shot. it really really works.

ummm.... didnt say it last time, but if you find the funny breathing doesnt try working during contractions, do the breathing between them instead. that was when i started getting into blissy trance.

porca - sorry to hear your first labour so painful. also had syncto dip, epidural and cont monitoring with dd. greedyguts posts seem to give us hpe re hypnosis and induction. and you may not be induced second time ( i wasnt, went into labour day before 42 wk induction booked) so worth trying in spirit of optimism? maybe if you are really worried you could have one on one sessions with a hypnosis person to get a more personalised approach that would also work if induced?

speedy - ina may made such a huge difference to me. what a great read . all those lovely birth stories. i used to read her guide to childbirth in the bath with same oils i used for hypnosis. how geeky was i?

lawrieisluckybutnickyisnicer · 13/02/2010 23:44

ahem - "going slow so i dont tear" not care ...

smilehomebirth · 14/02/2010 12:18

to justbeme - I think the advice is to try to let your body do what it wants to.

So the not pushing advice just means don't conciously push (because by doing so you might actually be tensing up below the baby, or alternatively trying to push baby down too fast, before your birth canal is ready for it), but rather try and stay out of it and let your body do the pushing automatically.

Of course, this is all very well if you get the "Ferguson's Reflex" (otherwise known as the downwards vomiting effect) which is kicked off by babies head pushing on a bunch of nerves in a particular place. It is a very efficient way of doing things, much better than conciously pushing for hours on end. I recently read from an experienced midwife that this reflex can be kicked off artificially by the midwife inserting a finger and pressing on a particular spot!

If this doesn't kick off, for whatever reason, I call this a more "constipated" birth where concious pushing is the only way.

It's all very much like doing a great big poo! Sometimes they come easy, sometimes they don't

Also some mums actually get alot of pleasure from actively, conciously pushing along with the urges, so hey! thats probably fine! Just, maybe, don't overdo it?

MumNWLondon · 14/02/2010 19:33

Hi - I did a course when I was pregnant with DS 4 years ago. Practised breathing & techniques etc with DH. Although was not under hypnosis during labour, it was very easy to cope well with Tens and a little G&A - and then gave birth in the pool without either.

Went to hospital in what I thought was early labour (had been labouring for 8 hours by that point but contractions around 7 mins apart and not painful), but DS born 2 hours later. I didn't really push him out, but probably was some pushing going on can't really describe wasn't like I was pushing like mad), it took around 10 mins for him to come down birth canal, and no tearing (unlike DD's birth) - he arrived with perfect apgar (like his sister) and I was calm and collected thoughout and didn't scream out in pain or anything like that - I had no need to - i will not pretend that it wasn't a bit uncomfortable but it was totally manageable. Midwifes were so impressed how in control I was.

Got out of hospital after 8 hours and literally ran along road to pick up DD from my sisters house! I felt fab even though I had no sleep (DS born at midnight and couldn't sleep after, midwifes said that was normal because of hormones etc!)

I found the course gave me loads of confidence and helped me be really calm. Hoping for a home birth this time and will be using it again (although not doing another course).

SpeedyGonzalez · 16/02/2010 20:51

lawrie: "speedy - ina may made such a huge difference to me. what a great read. all those lovely birth stories. i used to read her guide to childbirth in the bath with same oils i used for hypnosis. how geeky was i?"

Great tip! I shall use it in the bath tonight!

I have made up a lovely lavender and mandarin oil combo (both safe oils in preg) - if anyone wants the recipe, it's 1 drop of aromatherapy oil per 2ml of base oil. Then 2/3 lavender, 1/3 mandarin - so in 30ml of base oil it's 10 drops lavender, 5 drops mandarin. Then leave it on a radiator to let all the oils blend beautifully. Delish.

Druidmama · 17/02/2010 10:26

I always fell asleep to the CD..it still worked! I used just a CD for DD2's birth

DD1...48hrs labour, agony, felt out of control, stressed out, hallucinated on gas and air, she was born blue as I was being prepped of a c-section, caught by my Mum as noone noticed and rushed to recuss. DD1 was presented normally.

DD2...4hr labour, NO PAIN, no midwives in the room (kept them in the kitchen in case we needed them), laughing in between cx and telling everyone how happy I was, singing during cx...and DD2 was brow presentation and back to back.

Hypnobirthing is utterly amazing!

Sinead24 · 17/02/2010 21:06

Hi Ladies,
I'm now at 32 weeks pregnant and am really enjoying using the HypnoBirthing techniques.
The light touch massage given by my husband is also fab and we have now used this as an anchor to put me into instant relaxation.
I trained in Nov to teach Hypnobirthing and i'm soooo looking forward to using it during my babies birth in April.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if it was available just like anti natal classes provided by NHS so all ladies could have access to it.

SpeedyGonzalez · 17/02/2010 22:49

Sinead - oooh, 32 weeks here, too!

I agree about hypnotherapy being offered to all pregnant women (not through NHS ante-natal classes, tho - I'm avoiding those like the plague after my experience the first time round, as the first session terrified the crap out of me so I refused to go back). I was saying to DH last night that I think the govt grant for healthy eating in pregnancy should be slightly lower and they should use the money offer all women the Natal Hypnotherapy CD in place of the money.

Have been listening to the CD during my train journey to work - it's great, I'm really enjoying it.

Druidmama - what a fab story (no 2, that is!). I did experience pain but it was totally manageable and I also sang for ages afterwards - even when they had me on the operating table after my full-on tear! Then I realised that since singing engages most of the muscles in the lower abdomen, I should probably stop singing while they stitched me!

kaybee75 · 20/02/2010 09:44

Hi, I did hypnobirthing (course and listening to CD a lot beforehand - mongan method) for both labours and both went really well and followed exactly the same pattern .... lots of braxton hicks and feeling a bit restless so went to hospital, about 4cm dilated when I got there, long bath at the hospital, lots of walking around or sitting on a birthing ball and contractions gradually getting more intense for about 3 hours but able to breathe through them, waters broke and baby came out within couple of minutes. Had gas and air right at the end but the rest was manageable - not completely painless which some people get to but all manageable. Second time I had the hypnobirthing stuff on my ipod and was just in my own little world with it which worked much better. Couldn't recommend highly enough - I did it because got complete panic attacks about the birth when going to the hospital for ante-natal appointments and wanted a way to stay calm and take my miond off somewhere, didn't expect it to work so well as it did. Very logical reasons for it working too - not too airy-fairy - I'm not into lots of alternative therapies or anything and was quite sceptical but it worked really well for me. Would highly recommend looking into it www.hypnobirthing.org has all the info.

BigMomma3 · 20/02/2010 23:35

Great to read this thread.

Just got my Natal Hypnotheraphy Programme CDs. This will be my 4th birth (currently 18 weeks pregnant) but I am determined it will not be a repeat of the terrifying experiences I have had before. I am aiming for a VBAC (have the VBAC CD as well) and am actually really starting to look forward to it now after researching hypnobirthing.

Ever since I got my BFP (which was unexpected ), I have been thinking to myself 'yeah another baby will be lovely but you will have to get it out'!! Now I'm just trying to figure out why I did'nt know all about this when I had my first baby 13 years ago!! Also wondering why midwives don't give out information on this at booking in appointments - would surely save the NHS loads of money??

SpeedyGonzalez · 23/02/2010 20:49

BigMomma - congratulations!! Can I also recommend (if you haven't read it yet) Ina May's Guide to Childbirth? It starts off with LOADS of amazing, empowering, positive stories about natural birth. It is a fantastic way of deleting the 'recordings' we have in our heads about what birth is like (even if we've never given birth) and re-recording new stories and thoughts and feelings, etc which will actually help us on the journey. I am on baby no 2 and am finding it immensely refreshing reading. I refuse to listen to/ read/ watch anything connected with pregnancy birth unless it is going to be just as empowering - I just don't need any more negative connotations.

Good luck with the pregnancy and best wishes for an amazing birth!

Hermya321 · 26/02/2010 10:03

I've been reading this thread and everything sounds so positive. I'm only about six weeks but I would like to give this stuff a go. Could someone give me a list of titles of the books and CD's that they bought?

growingweeble · 26/02/2010 10:39

Apologies for hijacking, but how do you actually use hypnobirthing during labour? I've been listening to the natal hypnotherapy CDs and plan to write a couple of trigger cards with the main phrases, like 3, 2, 1, relax. But, I'm worried I'll forget when I'm actually in labour how to draw on the relaxation.

Did you have the CDs playing on loop, or was in just ingrained in you so you didn't have to? [kaybee75], it sounds like you had them on loop?

SpeedyGonzalez · 26/02/2010 21:27

growingweeble, in my experience it's the latter - it's ingrained in you so that it automatically becomes part of your strategy for managing your labour. Have you read the accompanying notes - I didn't, but I'm sure there will be something in there which explains it.

Also, another mantra which I've discovered this week helped a woman's cervix dilate way beyond 10cm (Ina May Gaskin was her midwife) is 'I'm going to be huge'. As the woman repeated this thought to herself, apparently her cervix widened enormously and she gave birth to a large baby with no tears. The mind-body connection is again harnessed by repeating mantras such as this - I'm banking on it working for my home birth later this year!

Hermya: I am reading Ina May's Guide To Childbirth, and the CD I'm using is Natal Hypnotherapy by Maggie Howell. Other natural birthing pioneers who I've heard friends recommend are: Janet Balaskas and Sheila Kitzinger. Also Dick Grantly Read ('Childbirth Without Fear', which I own but haven't read) - he was one of the first well-known/ published pioneers in the last century; and Michel Odent (I saw a BBC4 prog showing him assisting birthing women - amazing. Twin births, breech births - all handled gently and with the belief that a woman's body is built to give birth and so can do it brilliantly.

I highly recommend Ina May's book, though, I'm reading it at the mo and think the woman should be crowned.

Good luck to you all!

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