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Countess of Chester or Glan Clwyd Rhyl???

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waitingwaiting · 06/06/2009 13:59

Hi there,
I'm new to the area and dont have much idea what the local hospitals are like. I need to decide where to have my baby, EITHER at the countess of Chester or Rhyl.... can anyone help me with this one? it would be soooo appreciated! Please share your experiences, good or bad!
Many thanks!!!
Nicky

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waitingwaiting · 06/06/2009 14:00

.... meant to say, Or Glan Clwyd, Rhyl.

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uptomyeyes · 06/06/2009 14:05

I live in London so no direct experience of either. But my DH's family have delivered 8 babies at Glan Clwyd in the past 10 years all seemed to have pretty good experiences....or at least none had a bad experience.

Diege · 06/06/2009 15:43

Hi WAITING . I've not had direct experience of bith, but my sister is a mw at Glan Clywd, and from what she (and others) says they're very supportive of active birth etc, and seem pretty clued up on woman-centred midwifery etc. Re: Chester, I've heard good things too (they'll try natural breech deliveries and also have mobile epidurals). If I had free choice (for eg. one no closer than the other) I'd probably opt for Glan Clywd

mogwai · 06/06/2009 19:27

I had my first at the Countess of Chester. Not a great experience, unfortunately.

Post natal midwives were bloody awful - bloody AWFUL.

I work with a midwife who used to work there and says it's always had a bit of an "atmosphere" and she doesn't think the staff there are happy - probably reflected in the care then.

Also they don't have an anaesthetist on call for maternity - he's on call for the whole hospital so if you want an epidural you may have to wait (I had to wait some time). It's worth delivering in a hospital that has anaesthetics dedicated to maternity.

Have you considered Wrexham Maelor? I've heard it's okay and it's only 1o miles or so south of Chester. You can choose any hospital.

QueenFee · 06/06/2009 20:37

I had my 2 at Wrexham and they were lovely. Having my 3rd there in a few weeks. Have to say unfortunately I have a lot of friends who have had bad experiences at Chester Glan Clywd at Boddelwyddan seems on a par with Wrexham as far as I can tell.
Hi btw as I must be not far from you

mogwai · 06/06/2009 21:40

Oh I feel vindicated about Chester! It wasn't just me then?!!

Am going elsewhere this time and hope for better experience!!

verylittlecarrot · 07/06/2009 16:19

I delivered at Chester after my homebirth went pear shaped. My experience was that the doctors wanted every possible intervention and I was a bloody nuisance to them with my requests to, you know, try to deliver naturally. They were a bit scaremongery.

However there is an infant feeding co-ordinator there to help with breastfeeding (if you can get her to see you, I don't know if she visits the postnatal wards). The midwives were not good at bf support. They just didn't know their stuff, and I don't think anyone observed a feed until the day after my baby was born.

I hope they've improved in the last couple of years!

mogwai · 07/06/2009 18:24

They wouldn't let me go home until they had observed a feed (I was formula feeding).Caused quite a fuss about it as I remember.

Anyway, they changed their mind because they wanted the bed (I was in a side room).

Couldn't help wondering why they'd made the fuss if they were so willing to change their mind.

waitingwaiting · 08/06/2009 21:08

ooowh, thanks for all your replies, very kind of you to take the time....
Chester doesnt sound that great then? were your experiences recent?
I hadnt thought about wrexham, wonder if I should consider there then or just stick with glan clwyd.... I'm a bit worried about the entire giving birth thing as last time (when I lived in the midlands) I went for a natural midwife led birth and it all went a bit wrong, I ended up having a blue light dash to hospital and a c-section, so I'm so worried about it all this time, would like to try for a natural birth if I can, but that scares me as well, I hear to many stories!!
Anyway, back to choice of hospitals... if anyone else has any experiences of chester, wrexham or glan clwyd, please share them... hi back to you all!!

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mogwai · 08/06/2009 22:03

My experience was 4 years ago

Catz · 08/06/2009 22:14

My Mum had a terrible experience of an induction at the Countess (or West Cheshire as it then was) 30 years ago with my brother so doesn't sound as if it has improved!

Of course the choice does make a difference to whether your child is Welsh or English if that matters to you!

Sorry, that's a bit of a flippant reply to a serious question. Hope that you make the right decision for you.

QueenFee · 08/06/2009 22:26

I had DD 5 years ago and DS 3 years ago at Wrexham - I can let you know how I get on with the 3rd in about 4 weeks!
I think you get more personal care at Wrexham or Glan Clywd. Also it would take me as long to get to Chester as Wrexham due to the traffic whereas from here to Wrexham is dual carriageway all the way - much better in the throes of labour than stopping and starting at roundabouts and traffic lights

ceebie · 09/06/2009 09:39

Oh no, I'll be at the Countess , it's only 5 mins drive from my house so don't want to change to elsewhere but now am very distressed at negative reports, bad care and intervention
Sometimes mumsnet is great for advice and other times you hear things you would be better off not knowing

worriedamy · 09/06/2009 10:52

I agree, I'm booked in at the Countess, and now quite worried? No good stories at all?? Anything about good water birth stories would be especially great!! I was aiming for a 'as little intervention as possible' kinda birth, so this thread is a bit worrying! And I'm 38+2 now, so no time to change my mind!!

mogwai · 09/06/2009 19:55

You CAN change your mind.

If you have hand-held notes, you can take them anywhere. You just present at the maternity unit!

Sorry, I hope someone else comes along to make you feel better. My colleague had a baby 6 days after me, also at the Countess, and she was equally unhappy (for different reasons). It was her second baby and she felt it compared badly to the place she'd had her first.

I'd present at Wrexham Maelor personally. It's only another 20 minutes from the Countess. The Countess was 20 minutes for me and that was perfectly adequate.

Good luck!

hippocampus · 09/06/2009 20:02

Countess v v bad for me too x3 births in last 6 years. Would recommend home birth if you have no other option than there.

Policies of intervention, understaffed, and bad for breastfeeding too.

worriedamy · 09/06/2009 20:19

Looking great! I have been to Ormskirk a couple of times to be monitored as it was nearer to me at the time, and they have always been really questioning as to why I was there when all my notes are for the Countess. Saying that, Ormskirk also said how much better the notes were that I had from the Countess than what they usually see! Worried!!

verylittlecarrot · 09/06/2009 22:07

sorry girls, I should have been more balanced. There are some good things about the Countess. You are never separated from your baby, so no chance of anyone giving formula without your consent for example. I had an amenity room to myself which was nice. The infant feeding co-ordinator is called Janet Beech. They were good about giving me the baby skin to skin to my chest and encouraging bfding soon after birth. They left us alone to be together quietly after the birth which was great.

With me, I planned for a very natural birth but ended up with your classic cascade of intervention. I had to beg for an epidural after a very long unproductive labour, and when I got it, I felt like I had handed over control, and couldn't get it back. They wouldn't help me get off my back to push when I asked them, saying it was easier for them to monitor me that way, and I was too exhausted to fight for myself by then. I think if you manage to avoid this you'll be in a better position.

The hospital and staff can be excellent, the anaesthetist was wonderful, and one particular midwife who I was especially shouty with went on to give me lovely care and didn't hold it against me. Just have your strategies ready to handle any eventuality!

mogwai · 10/06/2009 08:55

Regarding you presenting at Ormskirk - what if you'd gone on holiday to Cornwall and presented at Treliske in Truro? It's perfectly possible. Doesn't matter a jot that they are - by the time you are in labour your face will look like this and you won't care!

(Sorry I suppose it's not the done thing - I work for the NHS and so does DH and that gives you a mixed view of (a) appreciating that it's easier when done "by the book" and (b) knowing how and when to fiddle the system!).

The midwives on the labour ward were okay, if patronising. The midwife who delivered by daughter (Gwenda) was MARVELLOUS and professional and just wonderful and I still well up when I think about how brilliant she was.

Also, the hospital was clean and modern and I felt "in good hands" most of the time.

(Can you see I'm trying to give you a more balanced view??!!)

It was the postnatal bit that was horrible - I had a 42 hour labour and was knackered and really needed to sleep. My daughter kept coughing on secretions and I was worried that she would choke and I'd be completely oblivious as I was so tired.

I asked for help, ie, I wheeled her cot down to the nursing station (I didn't feel I could ring my bell as felt I would be "bothering" them) and asked if someone could give me a couple of hours respite so I could sleep. They were eating toast and refused to take her, saying they "might take her later" if they weren't busy. As I walked away, I heard the following "If she thinks she's getting special treatment because her husband's a doctor, she can think again".

They were totally unwilling to help with anything. There was a girl in the next room crying all night and they were shouting at her. I really couldn't wait to leave.

When I left they told me to "come back if there are any problems in the next 14 days". When DD was 10 days old she developed a staph infection on her ankle, which we are convinced was hospital acquired. We rang our GP who told us to take her back to the Countess because we were within the 14 day period.

When we turned up at the Countess they were very and didn't understand why we had come back. They were really very snotty until we asked them to bleep one of our friends who was working as a doctor there. When he turned up, they completely changed tack. Our friend called the on-call paediatrician, who came immediately, examined DD and said she needed to stay in hospital. In the event they allowed us to go home with antibiotics, knowing DH was a medic and the antibiotics would be taken correctly.

I'm having my second baby elsewhere!

bramblebooks · 10/06/2009 09:23

Great births at Chester, post natal care and cleaning services really not brilliant.

Before delivery on the difficult cases ward the care was absolutely excellent.

bramblebooks · 10/06/2009 09:24

Just to add, paediatric care at Chester is very, very good.

ceebie · 10/06/2009 10:25

mogwai and verylittlecarrot, thank you very much for your posts explaining the positives and negatives in more detail. Can't say that I'm very reassured but at least I'm panicking slightly less now.

hippocampus can you give any further details as to why all 3 births at the Countess were so bad?

hippocampus · 10/06/2009 15:12

Ceebie, to cut 3 very long stories very short....!

My requests for anything deeemed as natural were sneered at, understaffing led to induction going wrong, c section, badly sewn up (TWICE!!!)

Postnatally, was told to FF as had no milk, as were many others trying to breatfeed. I reported this on all 3 occasions, no-one was surprised.

I don't really want to rant on about every incident, however I live very near to the countess, most of my friends have given birth there and although some would describe the experience as normal or OK, I have never heard a really positive story about a birth there.

Sorry!

LobstersLass · 10/06/2009 15:35

waitingwaiting, I'd say Glan Clwyd, because then your baby will be born in Wales - who could ask for a better start in life!!

ellybett · 10/06/2009 20:53

Has anyone had experiences of Arrowe Park in Wirral? I'm due to present at the MLU there and so far the midwives have all been fantastic but have heard rumours from friends of friends that standards of hygiene in the maternity wards may be lacking?!! My friend recently gave birth at the Countess and didn't describe a very happy birthing environment. In the end she said she felt like a burden to the staff there as her labour went on for more than 24 hours! She also had to request a change of midwife early in the pregnancy due to a definite personality clash!

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