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Can I change mind about vbac in labour?

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Divvy · 14/07/2008 21:04

Do you think its rude to ask for cs when I get there? Should it have been booked before hand, or can I say I have changed my mind about vbac?

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lulumama · 15/07/2008 19:55

is taht the whole sentence? i have no idea, but i could guess

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Divvy · 15/07/2008 19:58

go for it, here is mine.

SEM bleedly

I shoved my finger up good and propper and made her bleed?

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lulumama · 15/07/2008 20:05

lol ! bleedly is not a real word. at least no one that i know !

stretch .... membranes?

dunno, we need a midwife here !

how are the pains?

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Divvy · 15/07/2008 20:10

still there some are ouchy some are just very tight feeling.

They were not ouchy earlier!

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mydisguise · 15/07/2008 23:08

how u doin now divvy?

lulumama · 16/07/2008 08:58

how are you ?

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Divvy · 16/07/2008 09:32

Went to labour ward at 10pm and up until that point and walking down corridor some nice strong contractions. Was put on monitor, midwife said "You know you will have to stay on this now, cos of your prev cs"

Well that was the kiss of death for me, no contractions at all, home by 11pm.

All quiet now, but very period achey, lots more of mucusy show.

Oh and the notes ment 0 SRM 0 Bleeding lol

End of notes now read....

Home to await event

I will negotiate on the constant monitoring thing, when the event starts!

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Divvy · 16/07/2008 09:33

Ment - lots more of bloody-mucusy show

Thats got to be a good sign?

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Divvy · 16/07/2008 09:44

I got the feeling my body just said to its self, you are too tired for this now (2 hours sleep in 24 hours) get some sleep, we can do this another day [grin)

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lulumama · 16/07/2008 09:45

sounds very sensible

some rest, some food, a bath, and you will be refreshed!

go for it!

mydisguise · 16/07/2008 13:14

sounds like a very good idea. you will be so much more focused once youve had some sleep and maybe, just maybe when you do go into labour...u wil FLY!!! xxx

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Divvy · 16/07/2008 13:26

Thank you everyone for asking about me as well, it makes me feel cared about

Now talk to me about refusing ARM and continuous monitoring

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FAQ · 16/07/2008 13:33

very simple Divvy - with the continuous monitoring - just tell them you're not having it - I went in with right on the top of my birth plan/notes DO NOT WANT CONTINOUS MONITORING (or words to that effect).

Yes they tried to talk me round - but I just said no - and to be fair to them despite first of all the midwife, then the senior midwife, then the regsitrar, and the consultant all coming at various points to give me a "pep" talk as to why I should they didn't push the issue.

Actually I wasn't given any monitoring (with the belt round tummy thing - can't remember name) at ALL during my labour with DS3.

They listened to his heartbeat with a handheld dopple every hour (I think it was).

I refused the Canula (sp) too (and gave the woman who tried to tell me I HAD to have it as smug smile when she came to stitch up my tiny tears )

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Divvy · 16/07/2008 13:53

Oh FAQ hadnt thought about not having canula in, why would that be needed?

Having been to our labour ward 2 times now and seen 2 dif midwifes, there does seem to be ones that are not into CM....its going to be luck of the draw isnt it?

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ChukkyPig · 16/07/2008 13:54

Sorry to crash this thread - but can you say no to having the monitor thing round your tummy? I was induced and it was OK until they strapped that on and told me I had to lie on my left hand side even though I really really didn't want to as it felt like the wrong thing to do. Bingo it was downhill all the way from there and an emergency CS.

Divvy sorry about that. It's all very exciting reading this thread. I hope you are still feeling OK and managing to get some rest. Good luck!

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Divvy · 16/07/2008 13:55

Also, how does a canular interfer with natural labour?

Does it? or is it jsut for a comfort point of view?

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Divvy · 16/07/2008 13:59

Chukkypig - my personal feelings on this sort of thing now are that once they do stuff like that to us, they may as well take us down for a planned cs, rather than it being a emergency one later on in a few hours!

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FAQ · 16/07/2008 14:02

they told me that I HAD to have the Cannula in in case I did need a CS - I turned round and told them I wasn't having it and they could put it in should the need arise. They got a little shirty with me (wrote in my notes that I refused a blood test -but don't remember that lol)

Doesn't interfer with natural labour at all - just didn't want anything that was going to change my mindset (and in my mind having a cannula "in case" of the need of an EMCS was a negative thing - I wanted to, and did that time round, believe I could do it naturally).

Also only had one internal the whole time too (when I first arrived), plus didn't lie down at all - sat on birthing ball for 1hr or so - then knelt on the bed leaning over the back sucking furiusly on the gas and air

Ellbell · 16/07/2008 14:04

Just popped back to say GOOD LUCK, Divvy.

You do not have to have continuous monitoring. Just do what FAQ says and insist that you don't want it and that you would like to be monitored every 15-20 mins with a hand-held doppler thing. (Only once an hour sounds a bit too infrequent for me, but with dd2 they did me every 20 mins and it was not at all intrusive.)

lulumama · 16/07/2008 14:06

anything like ARM can hinder VBAC chances as if your baby is not in a great position, then they need to waters to turn in.. also, it can really intensify things

continous monitoring will restrict your mobility and that also can hinder a VBAC.

a spontaenous labour with no unecessary intervention is your best cahcne of a VBAC

nothing should be done to you in labour simply becasue it is policy

e.g if they say you can labour for 6 hours only, well, if tehy review you and baby is fine and you are fine and progress is fine, but just not as quick as they would like, then you can ask for m ore time

a canula is uncomortable and subconcioulsy i thikn make you feel more at risk

FAQ · 16/07/2008 14:08

well it might have been more frequent than hourly - can't really remember - my contractions were "only" 30-45 seconds long (for the entire duration of labour) - but they were virtually on top of each other - all went rather quickly. They could have done it more often and I just didn't notice

Ellbell · 16/07/2008 14:09

Cannula doesn't interfere with natural labour. I was going to refuse (just because I was in a stroppy mood ) but they pointed out that if my scar ruptured (unlikely, but obviously serious and would need immediate action) I could lose a lot of blood very quickly and that could mean that my veins would collapse, making it difficult to get the cannula in. It's not only in case you need a section, but also in case you need a transfusion (which may be why they tried to do a blood test, FAQ - they'd have been taking some to cross-match and save in case a transfusion was needed). I agreed to the cannula in the end, but by the time they found a doctor to do it I was in transition, took one look at the needle and puked ... whereupon they decided that I didn't really need it .

Like FAQ, I only had one internal (on admission) and gave birth kneeling up holding onto the bed-head, after spending whole of first stage in bath.

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Divvy · 16/07/2008 14:11

We need to find out how cannuler is spelt, cos we have spelt it dif every time!

Its a shame that our mat unit has got rid of the massive day room/early labour room it used to have when we had our last babies. Its now got a pokey room with 5 chairs in tea/coffee machine and tv.

It used to have all those big bean bags and lots of birthballs and other stuff.

Its just used now by sleepy dads to be taking 5 mins out to have a coffee.

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FAQ · 16/07/2008 14:12

Ellbell - I was of the opinion (and told them so) that I would jolly well hope that they would recognise the signs of a scar rupture before it actually ruptured (IYKWIM) so therefore could insert the cannula then

FAQ · 16/07/2008 14:13

lol I know Divvy - daft isn't it (cannula) .

They brought me a birthing ball from somewhere when I went into have DS3 - didn't make it to the early labour room as things were getting rather intense by the time I got there (although I stil didn't believe I was in labour, even when they told me I was 3cm )