celebrities and cesarean

[Lara77]

Most of the websites on the internet and almost everybody I speak to say cesarean is not a good thing unless it is necessary. So why most of the celebrities and rich people prefer cesarean. Are all of them breach c-sections like VB

Ah, but you see that approach requires a level trust in NHS services that many of us don't have. How many dead babies do you need to hear about on mumsnet before you reasonable thing hmmm... I don't actually trust them to do the right thing. I could list several, but I won't because it might be too distressing for the bereved parents.

Here's a statistic for you. The hospital where I had DD is criticised for it's high caesarean rate. But they also have a very low rate of birth defects resulting from a difficult birth. So.... my take on that is that they are quick to move to section. They are criticised for it. But the reult is healthy babies.

So, I don't personal suscribe to the theory that a vaginal birth is better for the baby. I think a planned section is the safest way to deliver a baby on the NHS. And, it is also the only way to ensure you won't have an emergency section.

With the staffing shortages and other problems in the NHS, they aren't fit to deliver babies vaginally.

Thats a whole other ballgame though Gloria, not trusting the NHS.

Of course you hear about babies dying on here, it is a horrible fact of life, probably the most horrendous thing you could go through, but there are tens of thousands of posters, with that amount of parents, you are going to hear more horror stories.

If you don't trust the NHS, and are not willing to trust them with your baby's life/health then surely the most sensible thing to do would be to have your baby privately??

propoganda and encouragement about natural birth god forbid women should want to have a v.b and feel good about it

i think you and i are at opposite ends of the spectrum, gloria, but at the heart of your argument is the lack of funding for the NHS, short staffed , overstretched units, with not enough midwives.. that is a real problem. and that can have ramifications for c.s and v.b

also, i have never said that there is no place for caesarean birth, it used to be a life saver, for mother and baby, and used quite rarely, now it is almost 1 in 4 births.

there are risks to a c.s, even an elective, it is still major abdominal surgery. of course there are risks in a vaginal birth.

there are also risks to a baby in a c.s birth.

yes, you can argue that an elective c.s is the safest option, but then if the point is that it is due to the failings of the NHS, then that is a different argument entirely to 'too posh to push' or whatever 'stupid' reasons have been discussed.

the failings of the NHS should not limit a woman's birth choices.

I don't think everyone should have a section. Lots of people won't want one. I just think everyone should have a choice. If they want a vaginal birth they should be supported in that choice, and if they want a section they should be supported in that choice.

It has been my experience that vaginal birth is sold almost agressively to new mums and that the caesarean is just brushed right over. And the risks of vaginal birth are also brushed right over. What I would like is for all of the facts to be presents. Unbiased. ALL of the facts. And then let women choose.

And there is propoganda out there:
If you have a caesarean you won't be able to breast feed.
If you have a caesarean your insurance company won't cover you to drive for 6 weeks.
If you have a caesarean you won't be able to pick up your toddler for six weeks.
If you have a caesarean you won't really have given birth.
If you have a vaginal birth you will be up and around the same day (no mention of that ring you will need to sit on for three weeks).

And so on...

Some of these things are sort of true but rather exaggerated and other are just plain bollocks.

another thread slating csections. god how boring.

to the first timer who posted on here saying the thread had made her petrified, please dont let it worry you. I was in your position 3 months ago - and DS is sat in his baby bjorn trying to find his thumb - 12 weeks old. a thread like this had myself and half my antenatal thread petrified.
I delivered via csection - it was a fab experience, my recovery was second to none. i am breastfeeding, was up the day of my op...the story goes on. take all the extreme views you see reprsented on threads like this with a pinch of salt as the majority of women are fine.

dal21, read the thread properly before summarising it incorrectly.

The thread is not against CSections, just against the increase of them and the resaons which stand behind some people's ideals of birth being the end result of the choice of CSection.