celebrities and cesarean

[Lara77]

Most of the websites on the internet and almost everybody I speak to say cesarean is not a good thing unless it is necessary. So why most of the celebrities and rich people prefer cesarean. Are all of them breach c-sections like VB

britney spears was honest and upfront about the fact that she wanted a cs because she was scared of vb

makes a change!

i hate the phrase "too posh to push" was bandied about a lot in "humour" when i had my crash cs. tbh, he was a big lad (with HUGE head) and back to back. i think its ok to have a cs the idea of a vb terrifies you (i would never contemplate a VBAC, ds's birth was too traumatic) but alex curran had a cs so steven gerrard could be at the birth (champions league final on her edd iirc)

I don't think cs should be offered for anything other than medical reasons.

That includes being 'terrified'. I'm not exactly totally calm about having a VBA2C this time round, I know it's going to hurt, but that's childbirth!

I know two women in RL who found out baby was breech during labour.

you've no right to order any woman to give birth 'your way'. It's up to each individual how they want to birth. Hospital, home, water, epidural, gas and air, CS............. choices, choices

i was diagnosed with tokophobia which is an all consuming fear of birth

i went in three weeks from wanting a water birth to not being able to even talk about thye birth

i was schelduled for a csection by my cons after three meetings with the cons mw and the cons and the peri natal health team

so i find it disgusting that some say being 'terrified' is not enough

my dd had other ideas and ended up coming earlier but coz i didnt progress and ended up being induced which en ded up with an emergency c section

tokophobia isn't just being 'terrifed' though is it??
It's a medical condition.
CS, is major surgery and should be treated like such, not just bandied around willynilly to whoever can afford to pay for it.
(Not many NHS patients could determine they were having a CS without either medical reasons or a previous cs, why should money make the difference)

^^

My children much prefer the sun roof exit. Now, I'll just have to work on that celeb status so you can add me to you statistics of bad mothers.

Although I also work full time, so perhaps I could get onto the bad mother list list that way.

But, you know what, my body, my kids, my life. I make the choices and I don't really give a toss about who does or doesn't approve.

sorry vic its just i had a lot of negative attitude towards me becase of it including on here

i wasnt looking for a fight

Oh, and people do get sections on the NHS without an NHS aproved medical reason. In my antenatal group of about 15, two people had elective sections (first child, no medical reason). And there were the variety of emergency / crash sections. Not very many seem to really work out this whole fluffy natural vaginal birth fantasy that was rammed down our throats in the ante natal classes.

dressedup, it must have been terrible, as I said phobias are real medical conditions.
I'm not looking for a fight either.
Just know too many friends who have said they wanted a cs for stupid reasons, like their fanjo not changing size

Gloria I said 'not many', not none at all.

For "stupid reason"? Who are you to judge? And would you say to their faces?

How would you like it if I said you persisted in your desire for a vaginal for for stupid reasons?

stupid reasons?????

Good grief.

Ah... "victorian". What an appropriate name.

I would say, that a VBAC is not surgery.
And yes, wanting your fanjo to not change shape is a stupid reason, if you're that bloody bothered don't have a child in the first place.
When we get pregnant we know that it involves childbirth, a CS shouldn't be a choice. It should be treated as the major surgery it is.

And FWIW, If you want to call being back home with my other two children asap, after the birth, or being able to actually pick them up and look after them, and not be recovering from major surgery for weeks after my baby is born, 'stupid'then fine go ahead

Now, you are putting words in my mouth. I would never tell anyone that whatever method of delivery they chose that their decision was based on stupid reasons.

Lots of mums make choices I wouldn't. But that doesn't make them stupid choices.

"I want my fanjo to remain in tact" might actually mean I don't want to be torn so badly that I can't piss with out pain or can't ever again enjoy sex, oh and I don't want to risk a broken coccyx, etc. Now, that doesn't sound stupid to me. But even if it did, I'd keep my big mouth shut.

I said, 'friends', people I know, people who I know were worried about there fanjo stretching a few millimetres and not being as tight when they had sex.

I don't think anyone that goes through a vaginal birth wants to tear, but there are ways to try to avoid it rather than a CS.

You said that you wouldn't tell anyone which way to give birth, but a CS is not a birth choice!!! It was originally meant for people who for whatever reason could not give birth vginally, not because people decided their vagina wasn't for babies but for a penis.

"but a CS is not a birth choice!!!"

Surely you jest.

No, I don't.
I don't think that people should be given major surgery unless necessary.

Actually, as surgeries go, a planned c-section is rather a walk in the park.

I've had knee surgery that was more difficult to recover from than either of my sections.

I'm pleased for you. Not everyone's sections are as easy to recover from.

That's true. And that's why I think they should decide what is best for them (with the aid of their midwives, consultants, etc.) and none of us should go round tooting that our way is the best way. The natural vaginal approach is obviously what works for you. But, other babies suffer and some even die when women are pressured into vaginal births when they aren't actually a good idea. And the guilt they sometimes feel after reading posts like yours is not exactly helpful.

I only typed to couteract the biased view you were presenting. The truth is a ceasarean is a birth choice -- whether you personally approve of it or not. Some women will choose caesareans and not lesser mothers for it.

It's not the easy way to give birth like many first time mothers assume though, and being given them for no real medical reason, plus the amount of celebs that do have them to 'fit into their schedule' and other such 'reasons' are not going to help.
If a cs is considered it should be at the advice of a midwife for a genuine medical reason, not a form of sexual vanity.

but who are you to judge other women and their choice of birth? fgs, telling people they shouldn't have a child if they don't want to have a vaginal delivery??? That is so outrageously narrow minded and cold and ignorant.

"sexual vanity"??? You have no bloody idea. Really.

I'd say the number of women who give birth by c-section for "sexual vanity" is extremely low.

I dreamt my 1st birth would be a wonderful, natural experience, in a birthing pool, dimmed lights, blagh blah blah. Despite being confirmed 'head engaged' several times, he was undiagnosed breech (discovered when I was 7 cm dilated) and I had emercency section.

DS2, I trust will meet with your approval, was vbac, no drungs, not even a spoonful of calpol. Tore badly (3rd degree). Sex very painful for months after. And tbh has put me off for life.

DS3, also meeting with your approval, also vbac, also no pain relief at all, finally got my birthing pool, but was ordered out as ds getting ditressed. Even worse tearing, also 3rd degree, ruptured vagina, sex unbearably painful and never the same 'down there'

And now, unbelievably considering past experience, pg angain, and bollocks to 'nature' and bollocks to your insulting' sexual vanity' crap. I am having an elective section, nothing to do with 'vanity' and everything to do with wanting to function vaguely normally.

You might be lucky enough to have come through childbirth reasonably intact, but for many many women, it's much more than worrying about stretching a couple of millimetres, and to suggest otherwise is frankly idiotic and naive.To put it politely.