Circumcision

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Anyone know how you go about getting baby boy circumcised? Do the midwives offer to arrange it when he's born or is it sonething you go to gp for?

Snusmumriken my husband has a penis without foreskin and I can guarantee you it is functioning normally :)

Great, what fun for you. All the same, your husband's penis does not function in the way that it would if it had foreskin. Please, don't take my word for it. A very simple google search will enlighten you. I am disgusted that you would even consider advocating genital mutilation without informing yourself of the importance of foreskin.

The thought I always come back to is that if this practice had never been done before, and was invented today, there's no way it would be allowed in modern society. It would be viewed as a perverse thing to do to babies who can't argue or fight back. There have been plenty of barmy practices in the history of the human race which have been outlawed or just dropped, and I sincerely hope this will be one of them, but that fact that it is not only allowed but to an extent facilitated by the state in this country, where it is illegal to shorten the tail of a dog, is absolutely ridiculous.

babynelly things that are morally wrong are not always illegal.

Tax avoidance is morally wrong but not illegal (think Amazon, Vodafone).

Cheating on your partner is morally wrong but not illegal.

Just because circumcision for non-medical reasons is legal, it doesn't make it morally right

Wasnt slavery once legal and morally acceptable in the UK?

There should be a version of godwins law for this sort of crap.

had a long term boyfriend with foreskin before, his also functioned normally...
In my case I thought that the penis without the foreskin proofed to be more loyal...

really, I can't take this talk seriously any more, plus have work to do. This was very engaging conversation...

What you mean is, you're off because no-one is taking any of your points seriously

Men who have had it done have no knowledge of how sex would be for them had it not been done and they are unlikely to go around admitting sex is worse than with it. They just cannot know because their parents chose to mutilate them without their consent.

you can take it this way flisspaps, it would not make a slightest difference to me. But to clarify I off because I have to provide for my family, self employed you see, pay check does not come to me just by sitting on my desk, gotta earn it, that is why I off.

Is she really saying that circumcised men don't cheat?

Nelly- Mumsnetters are going out of their way to respond to your arguments. It would be courteous of you to respond to our points and not to be so flippant.

And I would not do it to my daughter either
Because then it would be genital mutilation.

^THIS^^

I did say in my case right not in general. :)

nelly I too am self employed to provide for my family. Fortunately I work such hours as to allow me to engage in discussions on MN in the middle of the day rather than having to suddenly vanish.

my friend had her two boys circumcised as babies as her muslim ex husband wanted them done. She said it was incredibly traumatic

Hilarious point about US cancer survival rates. Can we also look at the numbers of Americans who end up bankrupt when they get a life threatening illness? Or how about looking at the rising maternal mortality rates?
Circumcision is unnecessary unless a specific medical need is identified. If you're worried about your son not being accepted because of his penis then maybe teach him not to show it to anyone, bar serious partners. It shouldn't be a problem then.

Nelly, you have talked a lot about how important choice is. I agree with you. It is very important that people are able to make an informed consensual choice about circumcision.

However, when you circumcise a baby you do it to the baby, and you take away your babies choice. Your baby cannot consent.

If you truly believe in the importance of choice then you should wait until your baby is grown and able to make their own choice about whether or not they wish to remain intact.

A choice made for someone else isn't really a choice for that person is it. Surely a choice about the removal of a foreskin should be made by the owner of said foreskin?

necessity is subjective...for me and many other people religious reasons are as if not more valid then medical reasons.

Flisspaps I have some much work that keeps me busy, I am very happy about that, thank you very much! I'll concentrate on my money making potential at the moment not on this very important conversation so I can keep putting food on the table and have these tax payments coming... otherwise they could potentially cut another maternity unit and A&E in my area. I already have to drive 30 minutes to the closest one.
Also I think I stated all my points already. Whatever I say everyone will disagree and already did... so whats the point.

No. It is not acceptable for religious reasons either. People have always done evil things in the name of religion. It doesn't mean you have to keep doing them.

Babynelly- your points seem to be that if you're not circumcised you get teased. Oh, and circumcised men are more faithful than uncircumcised ones. Hmm. I wonder why people aren't taking you very seriously.

Genuine question for the circumcisors: why don't you let your boys decide for themselves when they are teenagers, or adults?

Is it purely a pain issue? Surely if they really wanted it done they'd put up with a bit of short term pain?

I mean this for those who circumcise their boys for non-religious reasons.

seeker, i did not say that, you said it...
i obviously people taking this very seriously other wise this would not be still going. I already wrote a farewell and also said that the seriousness could not continue from that point as it is becoming unserious now like few pages ago... Also never wrote that the people with uncircumcised penis are cheaters. Stop manipulating my words. Word cheater never was anywhere in my posts...

I think its barbaric unless done for medical reasons.

My eldest almost needed to be circumcised for medical reasons but thankfully a short course if steroid cream resolved the problem. He is much happier to have an intact penis.