Circumcision

[leannac]

Anyone know how you go about getting baby boy circumcised? Do the midwives offer to arrange it when he's born or is it sonething you go to gp for?

The reason it is being offered in america because in america people practice preventive care and not wait until there is an emergency. They don't force anyone into it, they just give options and respect choices. If you compare the numbers of people actually not surviving cancer in UK and America you will see that American numbers are much lower, that is due to good preventive care and of course some other factors.

How many times I went to NHS doctors with my sick daughter just to be being told in this country we don't bring our children for this kind of thing... WTF!!!??? What I need to wait for her to be unresponsive and than they will take me seriously.

Additionally, please don't forget, NHS is not free. We are, the tax payers, have to pay for it. The only difference here is how you pay for it, in America through insurance and out pocket while in the UK they take it out your pay check...

if your son has no legs it will effect his ability of normal life, your son will will function normal with out his foreskin. I respect your choices, I am just saying that other people's choices should be respected too.

"The reason it is being offered in america because in america people practice preventive care"

To prevent what exactly? There is no medical evidence that supports circumcision on healthy boys for health reasons or "preventative" reasons. You have been duped by greedy doctors.

"You have been duped by greedy doctors." You are wrong about this, I was given choices. I can do my own research and make decisions. May be you've been duped by the controlling government that does not want to spend money on you having choices... just a thought :)

Nope you're wrong and dare I say sounding disablist there which I'm sure you don't mean too. Plenty of people have 'normal' (ugh) lives without legs. So you'll respect it if I cut his legs off won't you. My son my choice.Infact fuck it, let's get rid of one of his kidneys aswell, kidney infections are pretty horrible afterall.

Actual lol at being duped by the government. Yea, that's why we don't want to harm our babies

It may be legal now but can I point out that it used to be legal to burn witches at the stake? It used to be illegal to be homosexual...

Society is often behind the times ad sometimes common sense needs to prevail. Should I come round your and perform a mastectomy...just in case??

The reason listed op reek of a lack on education on this subject and I strongly suggest you reevaluate the matter you can't undo it once it's done!

Will your son have anormal way of life which out his limbs? No, someone will always have to help him.... And without kidneys he will die... He needs at least one... To cut of limbs and kidneys requires major surgery. Make circumcision is a simple procedure...

My ex had to have a circumcision for medical reasons as an adult. Even under a local it was uncomfortable to say the least. I can't imagine a child would not notice the incredible pain. Also sex was less pleasurable without the foreskin for him. Most people in the modern world know how to wash. The preventative issues are about STIs which if your boy grows up educated he would understand about using condoms. As to Americans doing it then I guess we all better go out and buy guns as they do that as well.

Apart from medical need you are inflicting horrible pain on your child. If when they grow up they decide that it is a good idea to have one then at least they have a choice... not something that can be reattached.

We will have to agree to disagree nelly.

My experience is that in the US doctors are far more likely to opt for invasive treatment because they can benefit financially from it.

When DD was little she had a growth on one of her vocal cords and needed a tracheostomy. We were told that the growth would disappear of its own accord and it was far safer to wait than opt for risky surgery. I joined a forum for carers and found that in the US they generally opt for invasive treatment/surgery simply because the doctors make more money. The wait and see option worked and DD's airway opened up without the need for expensive and risky surgery. My experience has made me very cynical of any healthcare that has to be paid for.

Of course hell have a normal life, it sounds like you are suggesting people with disabilities don't have normal lives, which I'm sure you're not.

And I did say is only remove the one kidney. I trust you will respect this decision.

look i am not saying it is wrong to leave your baby uncircumcised I am saying that people should have choices. If you were arguing about this in America people would judge you as well. This is the cultural diference between us... I don't have a son, yet at least, but I would not want him to go back to states and be unaccepted. I come from a country where men are uncircumcised but I lived in US for a while and when I saw a uncircumcised penis for the first time since leaving my home country I was very confused in regards to what was going on downs there and if it was normal... Life in America is different with a foreskin, and different not always in a good way.
To be honest I really would like to have a boy but hope to have a girl next as the resistance to this whole issue is just to great here...

Unaccepted because you're not circumcised, how tragic. Glad I'm not part of that shitty society :)

I am not saying that disable people can't have normal lives.
Cutting of foreskin will not make you disable if done by qualified person for medical or non-medical reasons.

How is life in the US different with a foreskin?

Are there special gyms or shops for the intact? Are only the circumcised allowed to open bank accounts? Do intact males have to wear a special wooly bobble hat so that everyone knows they've got their foreskin? Are they banned from applying for particular jobs?

Fashion isn't a good reason to mutilate your son's penis, IMO.

Baby - thats exactly what you said, I dont even need to C&P it as its up there ^ in black and white.

Im actually giggling at life in the US being different with a foreskin. Do men have to show their tackle before going in to bars? Will people only speak to men as long as they have inspected their bits first?

Do their penises have little ID cards??

Oh my poor DNephew - born in the UK, uncircumcised and now growing up in the US. He doesn't stand a chance, does he?

babynelly your prospective son is highly unlikely to be ridiculed here on the basis of whether or not he has a foreskin.

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this is an argument abviously I will not win here, it is fine... But would you name your son a "craphead" or "idiot" just so he will suffer a ridicule to the rest of his life.... It will not give him harm initially, but the suffering to the rest of his life will be far more greater... Surely there will be nice people that will hold themselves from teasing, but people (especially children) are mean, anywhere in the world here there and everywhere. If you can see a problem ahead why not prevent it... There are many reasons to this.

But babynelly uncircumcised is the norm here! So by leaving your child's penis intact, he's not going to be ridiculed for it, is he?!

Sorry baby, your last post is so ridiculous I cba to respond.

the bottom line is that I know what is the best for MY child, just like you know what is the best for yours. I am not saying one way is better than the other. I am saying that everyone is entitled to their own opinions.
Male circumcision is legal in this country and if it was morally wrong it would be illegal. If I have a son I'll make my own choices. I can care less what the rest thinks about it.
I also respect the system in this country while I am a guest here. In fact after thinking more about I realize that the choice is provided if not through NHS but privately. I just don't understand why people have to indure such attacks when all they want is an answer.
These circumcision threads are always never ending. It is a big ethical debate. I thank you all for presenting your arguments, it was very interesting.

Good bye for now :)

Nelly, a penis without foreskin does not function normally. Please do some research into the purpose and function of foreskin before you advocate for its removal.

Err - Children do die, do get horrible infections, do end up penis-less even from doctor-performed circumcisions, and people who are circumcised do still get infections.

Why on earth would you cause pain, and risk your child's genitals and life (very rare, but happens), because at some point in the future he might get an infection? Seems like a ridiculously bad trade-off to me.

Children are going to find something to ridicule a child about - it's what children do. It's more important to instill some confidence in your child so this bounces off rather than lop bits off to give the kids one less thing to take the mick out of.

Snusmumriken my husband has a penis without foreskin and I can guarantee you it is functioning normally :)