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almost convinced by homebirth article in the Guardian this weekend...

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elportodelgato · 23/08/2010 15:34

I don't know if anyone else saw this article by Sali Hughes about homebirth on Saturday in the Guardian Family section? probably there is a whole thread about it somewhere but I can't find it...

I've never considered homebirth before but this article has really made me think again. I had a straightforward pregnancy with my DD but she was induced at 41+3 so I was in hospital so they could monitor the induction. Besides, it was my first baby and I would not have wanted to be anywhere except hospital. The whole labour was 7 hours in total and I did without any pain relief (not out of choice btw, would have loved something to take the edge off) until G&A for the pushing stage - I tore and had stitches but otherwise all was normal. It's entirely possible that I will be induced this time around too but if I'm not then I am really considering homebirth - can someone come and tell me if I am being silly and it's my hormones?

I almost cried when I read the bit about her being tucked up in her own bed in nice clean pyjamas with her new baby. It has made me really realise that my hospital experience last time was 'OK' but not amazing - busy London hospital, laboured for the most part behind a curtain in a ward which was not at all private or pleasant and I remember being hugely embarrassed when my waters broke on the floor. In the night following the birth the call button in my cubicle didn't work and no one came to help me. Because of my stitches I needed help to get to the loo etc but no one did this. I'd like to avoid all these downsides if possible and suddenly homebirth looks attractive. Can anyone offer a view?

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Niecie · 26/08/2010 00:50

I never planned to have a home birth but had one anyway because DS2 suddenly decided that he was coming in a hurry. He was actually delivered by paramedics. Far from being a scary experience it was actually lovely. I remember standing in my very own shower afterwards and laughing because I was so relieved and happy.

Mainly I was relieved that I didn't have to go to hospital. DS1's birth was quite long and ended in a forceps delivery but I was able to cope because I had an epidural. The hospital I was booked in for DS2 (a different one) didn't think I would get one as they didn't do many for pain relief purpose and it had a horribly high CS rate too. Coupled with that, the pokey delivery rooms, large and noisy wards and the fact that new mothers had to go to a dining room and leave their babies alone to have meals (which seemed to me to be very odd) meant that I was dreading it. I came back from the hospital visit about 5 weeks before DS was due and cried at the thought I would have to go to that place to give birth.

I wouldn't have had the guts to have planned a home birth because I was frightened I wouldn't cope without an epidural. I am so glad the decision was taken out of my hands because I feel that moving to the hospital would have been more frightening and painful (I was preparing to go in when things speeded up and I wasn't happy about it) and would have prolonged the labour. The midwife arrived about 5 minutes after DS so she delivered the placenta and did the tidying up and the checks so I did have some of the benefits of one-to-one MW support.

Feeling safe has very little to do with statistics when you are actually in labour, imo and I never felt out of control at home the way I did in hospital.

NoSleepTillWeaning · 26/08/2010 08:09

Surely the 2 midwives wouldn't be in hospital anyway as they are community midwives, not hospital ones?

tittybangbang · 26/08/2010 08:19

"I don't see how you can say that at home births the second midwife is only there for an hour os so? What if there are complications, and she ends up staying 5 hours? What about her travelling time?"

If there are complications the mother transfers into hospital.

Otherwise the midwives clean up and leave.

If you'd been at home you only would have had a midwife attend you once you were in strong active labour. Until then they just stay in touch while they get on with their duties in the community.

And if I was a mum trying to decide on whether to have a home birth or not, your story of a dangerous lack of attention because of inadequate staffing in hospital would be just the thing to persuade me which way to go for the safest and least distressing birth!

sprogger · 26/08/2010 08:30

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MoonUnitAlpha · 26/08/2010 08:31

I planned a homebirth, and the midwives that came out to me don't work in a hospital Confused so I wasn't taking midwives from anyone else.

I ended up transferring to hospital about 24 hours in to my labour at home as DS was awkwardly positioned and I was stuck at 8cm. I was also pretty exhausted by this point and wanted to have an epidural and rest for a bit. It was probably 20 minutes between deciding to transfer and arriving in the hospital delivery suite, and that was in a totally non-emergency situation - so I had no worries about getting to the hospital quickly if there had been an emergency.

Even though I ended up having DS in hospital (and it was a forceps delivery in the operating theatre) I'm glad I tried for a homebirth and spent most of the labour at home. I don't think I could have coped labouring at the hospital. I felt like I totally lost control of the situation once we were in hospital, and lots of things happened that I don't think were entirely necessary (though I do think we received good care). I also found the 4 day stay on the post natal ward afterwards utterly exhausting.

comixminx · 26/08/2010 08:33

Very good point, NoSleep. MWs have different specialities and interests - and why shouldn't they, after all it's about job satisfaction for them too. When people talk about taking MWs away from the hospital births, well, would those same MWs actually be in hospital dealing with births there, or not? It's not just the numbers but also the experience and choices that the MWs themselves make - and the community midwives are supposed to be experienced in dealing with situations that might be treated in a more emergency/interventionist way in hospitals.

ChoChoSan · 26/08/2010 09:08

LeQueen given the fact the outcomes appear to be the same at home as in hospital, do you still feel that hospital births are less risky?

This is the point that I don't quite understand in this thread...from the studies I am equally likely to have a negative outcome in hospital as I am at home.

It seems there is the expectation that things will go wrong in hospital, so people just accept it, and as someone stated above, often people don't make the (sometimes causal) link between presence in hospital and birth complications. What do those on this thread who are expressing concern about HBs think about this issue?

Also, it is easy to cite examples of problems that cannot be resolved at home - none of us have an operating theatre in our garage - but harder to cite the myriad types of action or failure to act that may take place in hospital which lead to serious difficulties, and where the outcome might be extremely negative.

The latter might be viewed afterwards as 'the staff tried their very best to save the child' with praise heaped on all of the professionals involved, but the (sometimes small)reasons for the difficulty arising might just be accepted as 'one of those things', rather than as having a direct impact on the outcome.

If I opt for a HB in the end, then it will be on the basis that my partners and I agree that we feel at least as safe at hospital as at home, and that we understand the risks of each choice, and that we remain united that, should something go wrong, we made our decision based on two equally valid options, and should not beat ourselves up about making the 'wrong' choice. (Though I am sure it may be human nature for us to try to find blame in ourselves or each other).

I would like to add that for a number of reasons, I favour HB at the moment. However I am not absolutely wedded to the idea, and have a hospital a few streets away, which I have every intention of making use of if I change my mind or require it at any point.

I understand that many people feel more secure in hospital, and I think that the great majority of hospital staff are fantastic, professional and dedicated. I do feel that there are cultures, budget issues and types of policy and practice that can make birth a difficult and scary experience for many people, and these elements are driving my current thinking.

I think that one of the reasons that people feel more safe in hospital is because it just seems to be rational and common sense, and to be honest, before starting to read around the subject, I may have felt the same. Coming from a very well provided for (medically) society such as ours, it's almost counter-intuitive to not think you will be best off in hospital. (This is why I have asked LeQueen and others to comment on the similarity between outcomes...not as a crticism of their choices)

And I'm sure that we are all very well aware that infant mortality rates are very good now compared to past times. However, infant mortality rates are equally good for HBs in this country, where we have great medical support in the home, and all of the hospital facilities within reach by ambulance if required.

Perhaps the bottom line is that sadly, babies die in hospital and at home, but maybe they die for different reasons.

ChoChoSan · 26/08/2010 09:10

Sorry for the long post everyone - I think I had a bit of an 'internal dialiectic' going on...and decided not to spare you all!

SuseB · 26/08/2010 10:11

ChoChoSan - one of my takes on the 'outcomes' question has already been mentioned up thread but is worth saying again - in low risk pregnancies outcomes for the baby are similar in hospital/at home, but outcomes for the mother (fewer interventions/injuries, better perceptions of pain, reduced birth trauma, reduced rates of PND) have been shown to be better. I don't agree with some posters who have suggested home birth is for the mother's benefit at the expense of the baby, but if outcomes for the baby are similar, logically why not try for a situation where the outcome is likely to be better for the mother?

I have never seen any mention of research into outcomes for fathers - but anecdotally (2 HBs myself, and knowledge of many more) fathers feel empowered and involved in HB in a way in which they may not in hospital and this may lead to them feeling more confident in early dealings with the baby. My 'gut feel' is that HB is more 'family friendly'.

Bumperlicious · 26/08/2010 10:14

LeQueen the MWs are community MWs not hospital ones so not taking resources from elsewhere.

Is is true about the parity of outcomes? It's very hard, because you can't necessarily attribute things going wrong with the setting, or easily compare them to what would have happened, or whether they would have happened at home on in hospital.

I must admit I am definitely leaning towards a HB. Although given the night that I've just had I may be in hospital at 37 weeks begging for an induction!

foxytocin · 26/08/2010 10:23

birthing on these threads always end up focusing on life and death outcomes only. as the statistics show this outcome is, mercifully, extremely unlikely in either home or hospital births.

Without trying to make light of the above information, it is necessary to discuss what is more likely to occur at home and in hospital and that is birth injury to mother and / or the baby.

for planned home births, the evidence seems to bear out that in every case of morbidity, a woman and baby are better off planning to give birth at home if she is low risk. Experiencing childbirth without physical and mental damage has great impact on the mother and baby in the first year of the baby's life and beyond.

If there are studies which take into account the cost of addressing these more long term impact on birthing, I'd be interested in knowing about it as I suspect that taking these costs into account would increase the cost effectiveness of home births over hospital ones.

foxytocin · 26/08/2010 10:25

sorry for waffling as I gotta go and in a hurry.

wahwah · 26/08/2010 10:32

2 babies, 2 home births. First labour WOULD have been 'managed' in hospital as it was so long and I would have had unnecessary intervention. Instead I had support, stringent monitoring and a trusting relationship with the midwives which got me through with a small episiotomy. Second hb textbook water birth.

Both dc apgars of 9-breasted straight away and we all snuggled up at home.

It's not for everyone, but I'm glad it worked for me. Plus I saved the NHS dosh, so it's all about the altruism!

violethill · 26/08/2010 10:37

I think the post by Tittybangbang about the balancing of risk sums it up brilliantly.

It is very rare (thank god) to have bad outcomes giving birth in the UK at all, whether at home or hospital. And overall, as Titty describes so clearly, the risk is no greater at home or MLU than in hospital, when you compare like with like (ie low risk women).

Because sadly things do go wrong in hospitals occasionally, which are directly a result of having happened in that environment, and which wouldn't have happened at home. There were the deaths in a hospital a few years ago (Wexham Park I think?) which I believe were due to poor hygeine and germs, then that was that poor woman who died after having an epidural inserted in her arm, erroneously - wouldn't, indeed coudn't have happened at home or an MLU.

And on a personal level I probably owe my second baby's life to the fact that I'd had my first baby in a MLU. Simply because everything was totally normal at my 12 week scan (which was the only scan given in those days) and I booked in again for all my antenatal care at my local MLU, where I knew every midwife in the small team from my previous birth. Because of the excellent, high quality, 1 to 1 care I'd had, a midwife at a routine antenatal appointment acted on instinct and when I was 28 weeks pg, suspected my baby wasn't growing properly. I'd had a big baby first time round, and I'd got big from fairly early in the pregnancy. The midwife remembered all the details, felt totally on instinct and experience that I was someone who had naturally large babies and that second time round I should look even bigger, and booked me in immediately for extra scans, dopplers and set the train in motion which ended up with a safe (and highly medicalised through necessity) birth of my dc2.

In all honesty, had I given birth in a large hospital first time round, I can't see how a midwife at a routine antenatal appointment the second time around would have picked this up. The heartbeat was fine. I wouldn't have been booked for any more scans - you just got the one routinely back then. I didn't look very pregnant - but then not all women do at 28 weeks, so they wouldn't have thought that was strange as the midwives wouldn't have remembered me - indeed, with the turnover of staff and shift changes in a big hospital it probably wouldn't have been the same staff from two years previously! Maybe things would have been picked up, but only after the baby had become deprived of oxygen and severely distressed.

To me, it sums up the best of our birthing system. Natural, unmedicalised birth when things were 'normal', with outstanding care and attention from the midwives (who after all are the specialists in normal births) which directly led to speedy intervention when something did go wrong in my next pregnancy. I then needed all the technology available - epidural, csection, paediatricians, NICU - to save my baby.

tittybangbang · 26/08/2010 11:00

I suspect this has been posted on here before, but Chochosan's comment rung a bell with me:
"I think that one of the reasons that people feel more safe in hospital is because it just seems to be rational and common sense, and to be honest, before starting to read around the subject, I may have felt the same. Coming from a very well provided for (medically) society such as ours, it's almost counter-intuitive to not think you will be best off in hospital" .

I read it and thought, if people understood more about the hormonal physiology of birth, they wouldn't see taking all women to hospital in labour as 'rational and common sense'. They'd see it as very counter-intuitive.

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Out of the laboratory: back to the darkened room?

Tricia Anderson was recently asked to speak at a MIDIRS Hot Topics study day on homebirth. Ironically, she was needed to attend a woman giving birth at home and wasn?t able to give her talk! So we are reproducing the text of her presentation below.

Everyone knows that cats need to give birth undisturbed in a dark, secluded place - perhaps preparing a softly lined box in the darkest corner of the furthest room underneath the bed. And everyone who knows about cats understands that you must never disturb a cat in labour or a newly delivered cat and her litter of kittens. Otherwise the cat's labour will stop or she may reject her kittens. Everyone knows this.

But just imagine that one day, quite a long time ago, a group of well-meaning scientists decided that they wanted to study how cats give birth. So they asked anyone who had a cat, that when she went into labour to bring them to their laboratory - a brightly-lit, noisy, modern scientific laboratory where scientists could study them, by attaching lots of monitors and probes, surrounding them by strange technicians constantly coming in and out with clipboards.... In the laboratory, the labouring cats could hear the sound of other cats in distress, and there were no private dark corners for them to retreat to, but only rows of brightly-lit cages under constant scrutiny of the scientists.

And the scientists studied the labouring cats in their brightly-lit cages for many years, and saw that their labours were erratic, how they slowed down and even stopped, and how heart-breakingly distressed the cats were. Their mews and their cries were terrible. They saw how many of the the kittens were deprived of oxygen and were born shocked and needing resuscitation. And, after many years the scientists concluded: 'well, it seems that cats do not labour very well'.

Then, because the scientists were caring people and wanted to help the poor cats, they invented lots of clever machines to improve the cats' labours, to monitor the oxygen levels in the kittens; they invented pain-killing drugs and tranquillisers to ease the poor cats? distress, and drugs to make labour become regular and stop it slowing down. They even developed clever emergency operations to save the distressed kittens' lives.

The scientists wrote scientific papers which told everyone about the difficulties they had observed and how cats do not give birth very well, and all about the clever feline birth technology they had invented. The newspapers and television spread the word, and soon everyone started bringing their cats to the laboratory in labour, because of all their clever feline technology and of how many kittens? lives they had saved. Looking round at all the complicated technology, people were heard to say: ?This must be the safest place in the world for cats to give birth in?.

Years passed, and the workload at the scientists' laboratories grew busier and busier. They had to take on new staff and train them in their feline labour techniques, and slowly the original scientists grew old and retired. But sadly the new up-and-coming technicians didn't know about the original experiment; they didn?t even know it was an experiment. They had never seen cats giving birth in softly-lined boxes in the furthest, darkest corner of the furthest room ? why, what a dangerous idea! They were absolutely convinced that cats do not give birth very well without a lot of technical assistance - why, think of all the years of scientific evidence they had collected - and would go home at night feeling very pleased with themselves for all their clever and good work in saving cats' and kittens' lives.

Sadly most midwives and doctors working today have trained and worked for most of their lives in that laboratory: and in that laboratory ? which is of course, a modern consultant maternity unit - childbirth is in a mess.

In this day and age of evidence-based practice, we talk so much of the importance of evaluating every intervention, and yet no-one is saying that we desperately need to evaluate the biggest intervention of them all ? asking women in labour to get into their cars and drive to a large hospital where they are cared for by strangers.

The effects of now being well into the second generation of this en masse intervention are becoming increasingly apparent. Every year a nationwide audit of maternity services is undertaken by the ENB 1. Their report for 1999-2000 makes for depressing reading. Even though there are many small-scale initiatives to extend midwives' skills, expertise and scope of responsibility, the overwhelming finding is that the number of births attended solely by midwives is falling. In some services it is as low as 52%. There is a steeply rising amount of obstetric intervention, and fewer midwives. Caesarean section rates have risen dramatically, with rates above 20% now commonplace, and reaching nearly 30% in some hospitals. Inductions and instrumental deliveries are also on the increase, with many hospitals in England having rates of 15% and more. At the same time, the homebirth rate stays stubbornly more or less the same, nationally around 2%.

Most midwives and doctors have very little experience of birth outside the ?laboratory?, and the older generation of midwives and doctors who remember when homebirth was commonplace have nearly all retired. And the women we are caring for, they too are the second generation of women to give birth in the laboratory ? their mothers gave birth in hospital in the 70s, and now their daughters expect to fill our labour wards. It may be too late to turn back.

Why birth goes wrong in hospital
If we revisit the basic physiology of birth and accept that it is hormone-driven, it becomes obvious why childbirth does not work well in ?laboratory? conditions.

Very simply, we know that slow pulses of oxytocin are needed to make the muscles of the uterus contract. We know that powerful pain-relieving morphine-like endorphins are then released - which are released when the body enters periods of high stress - that help a woman cope with the intensity of those contractions, taking her off into a withdrawn, dreamlike state. We know that there will be a lull between the first and second stages as oxytocin production decreases with the loss of pressure on the now fully dilated cervix. We know that as the fetus descends in the second stage there is another huge surge of oxytocin created by the distension of the vaginal vault that causes expulsive contractions, and that again in the third stage another surge in oxytocin causes the empty uterus to contract and the placenta to sheer off. We know that at the moment of birth, mother and baby have such extraordinarily high levels of oxytocin and endorphins that are never repeated at any other time in their lives, making them alert, open and receptive to each other - as Michel Odent might say, they are ripe to fall in love with each other.

We also know what can hinder or even stop this extraordinary process of labour and birth, and it boils down to two simple things. When a woman is anxious or frightened, embarrassed or angry her labour will not be effective because her stress hormones - such as catecholamines and cortisol levels will be too high, inhibiting the flow of oxytocin. Secondly, oxytocin - the hormone of release, vital in birth, in lactation and in love-making - can also be halted by the stimulation of our highly developed rational brain. If a woman is being required to answer complicated rational questions, exposed in bright lights or if she feels she is being watched, feels vulnerable or must stay on her guard, her neocortex will be highly active to the detriment of the endocrine glands which produce the vitally needed oxytocin and endorphins. In both cases she will 'fail to progress' and muscular tension and ischaemia will cause labour to be more painful that it need be. Few women give birth in hospital without some pharmacological intervention and analgesia; the use of epidurals is rising dramatically. Many women need them if they are to give birth in the ?laboratory?; nature would not organise labour to be unbearable, but mankind in its ineptitude has done so by insisting that women give birth on hard beds in cold, frightening places surrounded by strangers. We also know that stress hormones can pass across the placenta to the fetus - if the mother is highly stressed, so will the fetus be. New research has linked maternal cortisol levels to fetal cortisol levels 2: and, unsurprisingly fetal distress is a daily occurrence on our labour wards. As the natural oxytocin is inhibited, haemorrhage, too, is a regular visitor.

To use Michel Odent's words, we see the 'pathological side-effects' of our inept disturbance of the natural process of giving birth on labour wards every day 3. We stress women by bringing them into modern ?laboratories? to have their children and then use syntocinon to 'fix' the slowing contractions and instrumental deliveries to rescue the distressed babies that are a result of what we have done. Higher mammals such as the chimpanzee, our closest relative in the animal kingdom, move away from their social group to give birth in private. We all have experience of how different we feel when we know we are being observed, and how differently we act when we are sure we are alone and nobody is watching. And yet we ask women to come into our labour wards where, not only do we watch them, but we monitor and measure and document everything they do.

It is often the women who arrive at the labour ward door in advanced labour who are able to give birth without intervention - for no other reason than because there isn't time for the ?laboratory? routine to inhibit the natural labour process. Think about Dutch women giving birth at home who commonly only call the midwife when they are 7 or 8 cm dilated, have no monitoring or interference throughout much of the first stage of labour and yet have one of the best perinatal mortality rates in the world.. What does that tell us?

We know a lot about the type of managed childbirth that takes place daily in maternity units across the developed world - in our human laboratory - where women sit semi-recumbent on delivery beds while attached to monitors in brightly lit rooms, subject to regular internal examinations whilst being cared for by strangers, being told to hold their breath and push as midwives' hands fiddle at the perineum under a spotlight and proudly 'deliver' the babies. That's the kind of birth that has been studied in virtually all the randomised controlled trials and major research ever published. Indeed, we know so much about that kind of birth that many of us - midwives, doctors and sadly even women - have started to think of it as 'normal' birth. That?s how most of us were trained; extraordinarily, that?s how most student midwives are still being trained. Some of us who have spent our whole careers inside busy modern labour wards may wonder if there is, indeed, any other kind?

Birth at home
Helping women to give birth at home made me realise there is - most definitely - another kind. Working in the community and attending homebirths is often a significant turning point in a midwife?s professional development. (The subsequent clash of philosophy is the cause of so much tension, horizontal bullying and personal pain on the labour ward.) At home, most of the techniques which seemed an intrinsic part of midwifery on the labour ward (and which were so stressful to learn!) are not needed. Multigravid and primigravid women give birth like Amazons to babies that seldom need resuscitating ? on all fours over the sofa, standing up holding onto the mantelpiece, squatting in the bath, often with children and other family members watching and encouraging. Take birth away from the laboratory and back to the darkened room, and the whole picture changes.

The research on homebirth confirms this impression, showing that homebirth is as safe, if not safer, than hospital birth for women at low risk of medical and obstetric complications 4,5,6. The latest Cochrane Review concludes that ?all low-risk pregnant women should be offered the possibility of considering a planned homebirth? 6.

But, if we truly believe in informed choice, the research evidence implies we should go much further. The new RCM position paper 7 on homebirth re-states the results of the National Birthday Trust Fund Enquiry 5 which found that women who give birth at home, when matched with a similar control group, had roughly ?half the risk of experiencing caesarean section, ventouse or forceps delivery, and were less likely to suffer postpartum haemorrhage. Babies born at home were significantly less likely to have low Apgar scores or need resuscitation, and they also suffered fewer birth injuries? 7. Women who give birth at home are more likely to feel relaxed and in control, need less analgesia and require less intervention, and have better emotional outcomes, and women who have given birth at home and in hospital overwhelmingly prefer home 5. Physiology explains clearly why all this is so. Midwives need to be honest with women about the risks of going into hospital, which may include: a 1 in 4 chance of having a caesarean section; a 1 in 3 chance of having some kind of instrumental delivery; a 1 in 10 chance of acquiring a hospital-born infection - and no improved outcome for mother or baby.

Going back to the darkened room
Recent surveys of women?s views demonstrate that, even in this age where giving birth at home is considered a minority activity, 20 - 30% of women would like a homebirth 8 and yet only 2% achieve it. In our role as guardians of normal birth, one major strategy open to midwives that would both increase our autonomy, broaden the choices available to women and raise the number of women who give birth normally ? and be based on the best available evidence - would be a national, concerted effort to systematically increase the homebirth rate. With the current emphasis on evidence-based practice and woman-centred care, this strategy should form part of any Trust?s clinical governance standards. Yet it has never been seriously explored as an option, and the question must be asked: why not?

In some areas where small groups of midwives are pro-active in supporting homebirth ? areas such as Devon, Brighton and Bath - the homebirth rate is as high as 15-20%. The South East London Midwifery Practice, working in a deprived area of South East London, has a homebirth rate of 35-50%, which quickly scotches any myth that homebirth is the province of middle-class woman only. (They ascribe this to the fact that women in early labour are visited at home by a midwife, and then the woman can decide whether she wishes to stay at home or transfer to hospital.) Why is there such a discrepancy around the country?

Midwife as gatekeeper
There has been a little research exploring the answers to these questions. The negative attitudes of many general practitioners are well-documented 9, but Hosein in 1998 10 found that it was the personal attitudes and views of midwives that acted as a barrier to women being offered true choice about place of birth. Floyd (1995) found that only 2 midwives out of a sample of 44 routinely offered homebirth at booking 11. In reality, most midwives ?self-select? women who they think might be ?suitable? for a homebirth rather than offering it as a genuine option for all women. Midwives need to be honest with themselves and consider how they are offering homebirth: I have heard some say they offer homebirth but the women on their patch don?t want it.

Positive attitudes towards homebirth derive from midwives? previous positive experiences, education and knowledge and an autonomous view of women and midwives. Negativity arises from lack of confidence, specifically in clinical skills such as resuscitation, suturing and cannulation, inadequate support from fellow professionals and confusion over accountability and emergency services 11.

Midwives who were trained and have worked in the setting of a busy maternity ward, who have spent years surrounded by fetal distress, emergency deliveries and haemorrhages may have developed a fundamental disbelief in the normality and safety of birth. Like the laboratory technicians, they only know birth to be full of hazards. Unless they take the time to ?unpack? the physiology and understand the reasons why this is the case, they are unlikely to feel confident to care for women in labour outside a hospital setting, perhaps particularly so for primigravidas. This disbelief can apply to midwifery managers too, who are then unliikely to support a enhanced homebirth service. This ?unpacking? is likely to be an uncomfortable process, as it involves taking an honest, critical look at the care that is given within the hospital setting.

Most midwives are not experienced or specifically trained for homebirth. The rather glib assertion that all midwives are qualified to practice in any setting on the point of qualification does not take into account the very different nature of working at home. There are very great dangers of taking the model of childbrth learnt in the ?laboratory? (where emergency facilities are at hand) into a woman?s home. If a midwife uses the medicalised model of care at a homebirth, such as restricted maternal nutritional intake, regular vaginal examinations, restricted maternal position, enforced pushing, ARM and so on, she will re-create the maternal and fetal distress of the hospital in the home where there is no back-up nearby.

Midwives need to relearn safe homebirth skills, including understanding the natural labour hormones, the practicalities of active birth, supporting women through painful crises without recourse to pharmaceuticals, decision-making where there are no doctors, no monitors, no partograms, no active management of labour and no syntocinon, knowing when transfer is appropriate, and learning and practising emergency skills specifically for the unpredictable home situation. That there are very different skills involved is evident by how transfer rates drop significantly as midwives become more experienced and Bournemouth University has recently created a module for qualified midwives which addresses these issues. The recently published RCM Position Paper stresses that all students should endeavor to gain some intrapartum homebirth experience 7; this needs to be speedily endorsed by the new NMC.

Midwives talk much about regaining their lost autonomy. In 1960, 33.2% of babies were born at home 4. As birth moved wholesale into hospital in the 70s and 80s, midwives lost their professional autonomy, a fact much bemoaned. One obvious way for midwives to regain their autonomy is to actively encourage birth at home., as homebirth is the province of midwives. But do all midwives really want genuine autonomy back, with all the responsibility it brings? A deeper-lying concern is that many midwives, having trained and worked in the protected environment of the ?laboratory?, may not want the responsibility attached to homebirths. Being the only professional in a potentially isolated setting responsible for the lives of both mother and baby is an immense and sometimes overwhelming undertaking, yet one that is seldom mentioned in the literature or in the classroom.

Providing a busy homebirth service also incorporates the necessity of being ?on-call? and working long unsocial hours. Many midwives used to working clear-cut shifts that do not impinge on their home life are reluctant to change this arrangement. Other midwives who work where homebirths are rare and are used to only being called very occasionally may be reluctant to increase their homebirth workload. Being woken up at night soon loses its novelty and getting up at 3am for someone you?ve never met is not much fun! It only starts to be tolerable if you are able to develop meaningful relationships with the women and families you are being woken up for. Working in a woman?s home environment is also far more personal and the need to know the family more imperative. One of the issues restricting the development of homebirth services is the existence of large teams of midwives or integrated services in which midwives do not ?know? the clients they are having to get up in the night for.

Midwives do not always get support the next day if they have been up all night, and may be called into staff overstretched units. A thriving homebirth service is one argument for having separate employment of community midwifery staff by a Community or Primary Care Trust; the current trend towards integrating services means that the needs of a busy maternity unit will always take precidence.

The reasons that women are given for not being ?eligible? to have a homebirth have been well documented by AIMS over the years, ranging from ?your baby?s too big or too small, it?s your first baby or your fifth baby, you?re too young or too old, your haemoglobin is too low, your blood pressure is too high?, and so forth. The entry gates for homebirth are very narrow, and midwives are not supported to take on even slightly complex cases. Widening the ?traditional? low-risk category and making it genuinely based on evidence rather than myth is another step in the strategy of broadening the entrance to homebirth.

Reducing the fear
There is another reason why we need to get birth out of the laboratory and back to the darkened room. Young women today are scared of birth; it has become a hidden ordeal in the medical world of the hospital. At homebirths, other women and girls can see birth as something not to be feared. I was struck when caring for a midwife in labour recently at home who said to me afterwards?I closed my eyes and saw all the women who I had watched give birth, saw their strength, and I became one of them?. By encouraging women to give birth at home we are also helping the next generation learn how to give birth.

Increasing homebirth:
The challenge then is for each Trust to set a target of raising the homebirth rate and audit their progress. The RCM has clearly stated that homebirth provision is part of mainstream maternity services and not an optional ?add-on? 7. Each midwife?s homebirth rate should be audited and the level of information that women are getting about place of birth needs to be evaluated. The homebirth rate should be on the agenda of every Maternity Services Liaison Committee, and local and regional variations should be investigated until the birth lottery by postal code is eliminated. The new NMC should set a target that all student midwives should witness, say, five homebirths. Why should not women in Belfast and Birmingham have the same opportunity of homebirth as those in Brighton?

Raising the homebirth rate is clearly in the hands of midwives. It meets many women?s wishes, increases the number of normal births, increases midwives? area of autonomy ? in fact achieves all our goals. If we do not do it soon it may well be too late.

Why aren?t we doing it now?

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minxofmancunia · 26/08/2010 11:23

there are obviously lots of well researched arguments on both sides of this debate and there's no right or wrong answer, obviously hb is the right choice for some women. Personally i'd never do it, I'd be too terrified but I've given birth twice in a hospital (one time on their MLU) with competent patient centred staff who discussed all the interventions with me very much made me feel things were my chice and acted quickly and professionally when necessary in the case of my first dd who may have died if we hadn't been in a hospital.

I'm 7minutes away by ambulance from the nearest delivery unit, too long imo if there's a crisis and the baby needs to be delivered quickly with immediate intervention after birth and that's because I live in a city, some people live far further away. And I heamorhagged, massively, how do you account or cope for that at home??

You can have a totally problem free healthy pregnancy , baby can be in a great position, labour can go smoothly for the most part etc etc but things can and do go wrong at any point. Good pg doesn't=trouble free labour and for me the risk of anything happening means a hb is too high risk for me.

And the wards are desparately short staffed, the midwives are stressed and run of their feet yet it's someones"right" to have 2 senior midwives with them for hours throughout their labour when women some of whom have complex needs are left alone in hospital? Community resources are diverted to the hospitals round here when things are tight and rightfully so, to insist on your HB when the midwives are needed on the wards is wrong esp if you are having an uncomplicated labour. Times are hard, the NHS is stretched beyond what it can cope with.

I had a problem free (but still bloody painful) labour with ds, the midwife popped in and out, gave me some lovely diamorphine even though I could have "managed" without it I didn't want to and then 2 of them came at the end when I pushed him out for an hour or so. I didn't need to be attended to by them constantly for 8 hours, I was able to have contractions with just dh for support and they were able to get on with other stuff. I didn't feel neglected for a second.

tittybangbang · 26/08/2010 11:34

minx - we've kind of dealt with the points about staffing you've raised earlier on in the thread.

I think you're going to have to accept that those of use who opted for a homebirth did so because we wanted the safest care for ourselves and our babies, and the best chance possible of getting through it all without needing major surgery. I hardly think you can accuse women of being selfish or unthinking for wanting this.

Women in hospital who opt for an epidural also have a 'right' to one to one care and would not be left alone in labour. If you can justify that, and the services of an anaesthetist for analgesia during normal childbirth, than you can certainly justify the much smaller expenditure on homebirth services.

slhilly · 26/08/2010 11:37

LeQueen, you have asserted repeatedly that having home births takes away resources from other mothers (because home births involve two midwives rather than one). You are implying that having a home birth is selfish of the mother as it takes up resources that others would have used, and told a couple of anecdotes to back up your assertion.

Your argument is flawed because midwife time is only part of the picture. Looking at all resources used, home births are substantially less resource-intensive, on average, than hospital births. They use more midwife time, but use much less doctor time (even accounting for emergency transfers), and doctor time is much more expensive. Far fewer interventions, so far less use of medical consumables (epidural kits etc etc). No-one's taking up a hospital bed, which costs money. etc etc.

For mothers are concerned with how to save resources for those most in need in the system, opting for a home-birth is the right thing to do. You are making sure that the most expensive kit and the most specialised (and thus most expensive) people spend time with you only if needed.

On the question of risks: if you have a home-birth, you are increasing the time it will take to get access to emergency specialist support. That's clear. However:

  1. even despite that, mothers who choose to have a homebirth have on average no higher risk of a poor outcome, especially the risk of perinatal mortality, than if they'd had the baby in hospital (of course, this only applies to the mothers who are eligible for low-risk pregnancies). So all that extra expertise and capability that's available in a hospital does not translate into better outcomes, for low-risk mothers.
  2. you are at substantially lower risk of requiring medical intervention In other words, the same outcomes for less medical input: ie home-birth is cheaper, more effective, a better experience for parents and child. There's lots to recommend it.
comixminx · 26/08/2010 11:39

Minx, I did specifically ask about hemorrhaging at home and how it is dealt with. The answer is that there are ways to staunch the flow even at home*. Once you're in the ambulance you already have medical treatment happening to you so even if the transit takes a few minutes you are already being treated at that point.

  • It can involve a midwife with her hand physically stanching the flow from inside you, it must be said - not perhaps a very edifying picture, but doable if need be.

While the rest of your post is balanced and clearly indicated as being your own personal views, I thought your fourth para was a bit off the mark and already answered above (in this now pretty long thread!). The wards are short-staffed, yes, but still it comes back to the fact that some MW choose to be community MWs and some choose to be hospital MWs - even if there's some swopping between them, it's still not normally the same people covering both areas and pinching resources from each other. Your argument about the NHS being stretched is also debunked by the above - HBs are cheaper for the NHS and cost less in the way of resources.

slhilly · 26/08/2010 11:45

minxofmancunia, I'm going to re-write a para of yours to show the flaw in your reasoning. Tongue-in-cheek, but it's a serious point -- you are soaking up far more resources by having a baby in hospital that you could have had at home.

You wrote:
"And the wards are desparately short staffed, the midwives are stressed and run of their feet yet it's someones"right" to have 2 senior midwives with them for hours throughout their labour when women some of whom have complex needs are left alone in hospital? Community resources are diverted to the hospitals round here when things are tight and rightfully so, to insist on your HB when the midwives are needed on the wards is wrong esp if you are having an uncomplicated labour. Times are hard, the NHS is stretched beyond what it can cope with. "
That should be:
"And the wards are desparately short staffed, the entire medical staff are stressed and run of their feet yet it's someones"right" to use complex medical kit and precious doctor time, not to mention a hospital bed throughout their labour when they could have had their baby at home with just a couple of midwives and a couple of bottles of gas and air? ... to insist on your hospital birth when the doctors, kit and room are needed for mothers with significant complications is wrong esp if you are having an uncomplicated labour. Times are hard, the NHS is stretched beyond what it can cope with."
My changes in bold.

ChoChoSan · 26/08/2010 12:39

It's funny that, on the one hand people are saying they opt for hospital birth so they have all the resources they need, but then on the other hand criticise people for having two midwives at home when the wards are desparately short staffed.

Like any expectant mother, I want the very best of care for my birth, and if they tell me the labour ward is short staffed, they can fuck right off if they think I am going in.

Comix when my friend was giving birth in hospital, the midwife said she would have to do the fist up the fanjo thing if she haemmorrhaged even in hospital.

Minx I think all the points you made have already been addressed upthread, and if you read it you may see that the risk is no higher for you or anyone else at home than in hospital, so decisions may be based on other factors.

violethill · 26/08/2010 13:02

I totally agree ChoCho. People do have a tendency to muddle their own arguments at times.

Of course it's up to each individual where they choose to give birth, and I think it's entirely to be expected that some women will opt for one thing and one for another because we're all individuals! Two of my work colleaugues are expecting right now; first birth for each, one has decided she wants 'as many drugs as possible' (her words) while the other is aiming for a natural HB. Now, they may end up having a different birth from the one they are expecting, but the point is, they are starting off with entirely different choices. Neither one is right or wrong, they are two different people with different ideas of what they want their birth to be.

The problem arises where people argue their position from a false premise. If you choose hospital, don't try to argue that it's because it's less risky for the baby, because that simply isn't true, the evidence shows that.

I opted for a MLU first time for several reasons: we lived in a very small house at the time, and also I felt I would be more comfortable in an environment which was closely matched to home (ie midwives, no doctors, very small unit, so only about 5 other mums likely to be there etc). What would be really dishonest of me is to pretend that I opted for it because it was 'safer' than being at home. It wasn't. I believe my baby would have been born equally safely at home - it was just a personal choice to do it elsewhere.

NoSleepTillWeaning · 26/08/2010 13:02

I really don't think the resource question is valid. As someone else has already said the midwife only comes round when you actually need her - so for both my HB that was about an hour before the birth and an hour after (should note my 2nd stage for dc3 was 8 minutes!) the second midwife was here for about 30 mins approximate as she missed the birth for ds and about 1 hour for DD2.

Besides why is no one saying 'but in hospital someone needed 4 midwives and 2 doctors in the room and they took the midwives I needed in my other room at the same hospital?'

And even more to the point, why does one woman have a greater right to resources than someone else? Surely it is all about our right to try to have the birth we would like whether that is hospital or home?

Grrrrrr.

mamapea · 26/08/2010 13:24

I can throughly recommend HB!Smile
I think if you have had a healthy pregnancy and no complications in any previous labours it is a brilliant thing to do.
I had a HB with both of my DS, although they were each very different deliveries!
Midwives attended with my first but didn't quite get there in time for DS2 meaning DH and I delivered him ourselves but we wouldn't have changed either birth for the world and having a relaxing bath afterwards, drinking proper tea out of a fave mug and cuddling up with your newborn (and DS1 after DS2 was born!) were all fab parts of the experiences.
Go for it if you can and good luck regardless x

thebody · 26/08/2010 13:37

first baby would have died if I had been at home.. pure fact.

second baby, lovely easy birth and no complications,

third baby, long labour and then had to go to theatre to have placenta removed, making my blood count extremely low and I could have bled to death if been at home.. fact..

the trouble with labour and birth is its unpredictable and sometimes mums and or babies die..

I just wanted us both to be alive at the end of it.. you cant control labour, it controls you...

women should stop obsessing about the actual process of giving birth.. its not that important in the scheme of your childs life really is it...