Do you think attitudes will ever change?

[tyler80]

From another forum I frequent (not parenting based, very male) but perhaps more indicative of the general mindset?

"Agree with the don?t fixate on breast feeding point, My Missus went mental trying to get it to work, if you can great but most women have some trouble, almost all supplement it with formula, Not all women are Super-lactating, Earth mothers types, and in all honesty bottle fed babies aren?t growth stunted, midget, thickies like the ?Brest is Best? brigade would have you believe, Obviously Dad can share the feeding workload with formula which is actually a massive help, we wound up doing shifts early on and it meant that she actually got some sleep?"

Do you think we can ever get to the point where breastfeeding is considered normal?

A stick, did she actually hit them, it was much more acceptable back then

My Mum is a bit like this, she is around 5'3" and I am the shortest at 5'8"ish.

Mum says something? We all jump to, she has the look.

this is quite interesting :-)

yesshe did til my did broke te stick (with out breaking the bark) all the way along at intervals of about inch. It just drooped next time she got it down.

She's lovely though and also one of the most demonstrative, loving people I know.

well it was the cultural norm then who knows when we are old maybe the naughty step will be thought barbaric . Great link U.K rates are shocking .

I don't know that it got used often TBH or with great force but yes it was normal to beat your children. I sometimes wish I could swipe mine with a stick. I imagine it's quite satisfying .

I love Kate Evans.

Not been able to get on the net today, so coming in a bit late to clarify myself here

Lola, I don't judge anyone who ff (thanks, greenbananas ) and I have not done so at all on this thread. I don't think I have been a 'patronising twonk', either - although I am aware that people sometimes accuse others of being 'patronising' when it would be more accurate to say 'oops, I see I made a proper idiot of myself, pontificating without knowing the facts - that makes me feel defensive, and it's the fault of the person who corrected me....'

Lola and pomme - no one says ff = obesity or ff = stupidity. That would be preposterous. Infant feeding is a factor in both of these, though. Both of these things are indeed multi-factorial - and it's never as simple as cause and effect. Other factors are indeed diet subsequent to infancy, or genes, or living conditions.

(You cannot look back 30 years 'when bf was less common and there were hardly any fat kids in my class' - this is not evidence of anything.)

Where are the leaflets that say 'bf babies won't be obese'? You've imagined them. The most any NHS leaflet I have seen says is something like 'breastfed babies are at a lower risk of obesity' or similar.

Please don't make things up to make your points

I don't know where you get your patience tiktok.

That was actually a fairly impatient post of mine, I thought!

That study DOESN'T say that bf babies are at lower risk of obesity it says that babies that are not fat in infancy (achievable through a lower protein content) are at lower risk of obesity. It just doesn't seem all as clear cut as it is often presented. The NHS leaflet I am thinking of has an obese woman on the front strangely enough.
Anyway, feeling more rested today and as so less interested in verbal sparring on something I am happy to have my own opinions on.
Tiktok - I think you do amazing work with the breastfeeding support threads and I'm sure you've helped many women carry on going. I also think you secretly enjoy these threads too .

@ pomme.

If you want infant feeding and obesity studies you are spoilt for choice - there are many, some of good quality, some not so good, some epidemimiological, some with case controls and all the rest of it.

It's a factor.

It's almost certainly not a deciding factor.

I still don't believe you have seen a leaflet which says 'breastfed babies will not be obese' but if you have seen one, let us know!

I think perhaps we have different definitions of "impatient".