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4 month old too distracted to feed...end of my tether

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mamaduckbone · 02/12/2009 16:00

The only time I can get my 4 1/2 month old ds to feed properly and for any length of time is last thing in the evening and during the night - the rest of the time life is just too exciting, even if it's just the 2 of us on the sofa or bed with no distractions.

5 minutes is as long as he'll stay on for and there's no way I can persuade him to feed for longer, even if it's been 3 hours or more since his last feed. I feel like my supply is suffering as he won't persevere beyond one let down, and I'm getting really frustrated, not to mention knackered, as he'll happily feed 2 or 3 times in the night.

We've both had colds and I don't know if that's caused the problem if he's too stuffed up to feed, and I've been very run down and off my food so would this have affected my milk?

I've avoided having him weighed the last couple of weeks so don't know if it's affected his weight gain, but I am getting to the point of thinking I can't breastfeed him any more, not because I don't want to but because it's such bloody hard work.

To add to this, he started out as a really good sleeper, was able to settle himself easily and did a good stretch of 6 or 7 hours in the night from early on, and now struggles to settle himself and I'm lucky if I get 3 hours out of him. I feel that I must have done something horrifically wrong to turn a good feeder/sleeper into such a crappy one.

I was determined not to try and force a routine onto him after tying myself up in knots with ds1, but met a friend today who's done Gina and now has her baby sleeping through with a bottle of ebm at 10. She sat contentedly feeding in a busy cafe whilst ds was all over the place.

He is alert, very smily and has plenty of wet / dirty nappies so I know there's nothing too badly out of sorts but it's getting me down and I feel as though my milk is disappearing because he's just not interested.

God, sorry for long rant. Any advice????

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ExistentialistCat · 08/12/2009 16:33

I am SO relieved to have found this post (especially since the plea for help that I posted this morning seems to have fallen on deaf ears ).

22 week old DD, formula-fed because of bf problems from birth, is doing exactly what's been described by others on here. Previously sleeping all night, she now hardly eats at all during the day (too busy looking around, even at home) and wakes several times in the night for food, usually taking 1 1/2 hours to settle.

I'm exhausted and have been wondering whether I've somehow created this pattern of behaviour or am reinforcing it. The idea that it's just a developmental stage rather than a regression to the horrific sleep deprivation of the early weeks is strangely comforting.

Just one thing... How long does this delightful phase last?!

mamaduckbone · 08/12/2009 20:09

ExistentialistCat I know exactly what you mean about wondering if you've caused or reinforced the pattern of behaviour - it has been good to hear of others going through the same since we can't all be doing the same thing wrong...
Interesting that your ff dd is behaving the same way too - in moments of anti-bfeeding torment I have been known to think that if only he were on a bottle he'd sleep longer. Goes to show that isn't necessarily true.

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HerMomminess · 08/12/2009 20:17

So good to hear from others.

DItto fears of reinforcing behaviour and whether I should be 'stronger'/'stricter'...but I'm just going to go with it and hope make up can cover rings under eyes.

Good luck to all.

HerMomminess · 10/12/2009 11:03

Is it going better with anyone out there? I am exhausted. Feel like the sleep deprived fog of the early weeks have returned. Teary&fed up!

She seems to go down at 1930 ish, back up at 2230 for an hour, then again at 0230, 0530...then sleeps till 0830.

SHould I wake her then?? Leave her??

She used to be in good 'routine'of post breakfats nap/ lunchtime etc but this has become impossible.

I am just trying to feed her to sleep if/when she actually stops fussing.

I am worried that the fussing means she isn't getting enough calories in the day thus up more at night.

Please reassure me (again) that it is just a phase...and I am not doing anything wrong.

HerMomminess · 12/12/2009 09:51

I don' t really want to start a new thread but am desperate to hear whether it is improving for anyone?

Two nights ago she managed from 1930-2330, then only woke up at 0430. SO I then think 'surely she can do longer stints of sleep'

Yet yesterday we got the daytime naps 'right'(bout 3 hours in total), and then it was up at 2230,0130,0430,0615...

By 6am I had had it and her dad cuddled her to sleep-although was unable to put her in her cot as she would wake up and cry.

To me it suggests she wasn' t hungry though.

Should I just keep feeding each time she wakes up?

Surely this will reinforce behaviour??

I am just v tired and can' t see the end of this 'phase'.

LeninGrotto · 12/12/2009 10:22

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loopyloo82 · 12/12/2009 10:30

Lenin, I'm doing the same - going to bed with dd each night and reading (or often sleeping - it's the only time she actually sleeps for any time).
DD's sleeping at night and in the day is horrendous at the moment. I'm trying to just go with it and praying it's a short phase!

HerMomminess · 12/12/2009 10:56

Thank you so much for writing Lenin&loopy.

Just feel v tired&lonely.

Was so happy that we had a 'routine' going.

Have you always been cosleeping Lenin? Loopy-absolute screaming madness prior to morning nap today. Had just finished feeding but resorted to feeding again to sleep. Haven' t really had to do this before.

And needed ear plugs to be able to hold her

AAAH!!

LeninGrotto · 12/12/2009 11:15

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mamaduckbone · 12/12/2009 12:04

HerMomminess I think you and I are living parallel lives. I was up every hour last night, dh is at work today and I just don't know how I'm going to get through til bedtime with both of them. Teary and fed up too I wanted to do nice Christmassy things with ds1 today but just haven't got the energy and patience and ds2 little horror won't be put down for more than 5 mins.

He still has a cough and is sounding a bit wheezy so that's not helping - am also wondering about teeth. The only way he'd fall asleep last night was on my shoulder - wouldn't feed lying down as he's too stuffed up. AAARGH!!!!!!

Need to take a deep breath and stop snapping at lovely ds1 now as he's done nothing wrong. Guilty as well as feeling tired and a crap mother for wanting to throw the baby out of the window in the night. Merry bloody Christmas.....

Sorry.Rant over. Have ds1 demanding lunch now and making ds2 giggle by pulling silly faces at him.

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loopyloo82 · 12/12/2009 12:40

Mama and HerMomminess I hope you are feeling better now the day is underway - I find by this time I feel a little human (until about 3 when I feel ready for bed again!).

DD has been acting as if she had a great night's sleep, happy and chirpy! I managed to finally get her off for a nap and she woke 10 minutes later- that is a favourite trick of hers. I then took her for a long walk and she finally fell asleep - now in her pram in the garden, only place she'll stay asleep - and then only for 40 minutes!

It's just nice to talk with people in the same boat, isn't it? As each night starts I tell myself that this is the night where we might start to see improvements - it's got to happen some time, right?

mamaduckbone · 12/12/2009 13:19

loopy I'm still feeling washed out but ds1 is watching a dvd and ds2 is finally asleep in his cot (for how long is anyone's guess)so I'm putting my feet up for 5 mins even though the house has that look about it where it may or may not have been ransacked by burglars.

It is so nice to know I'm not alone. Little %$£&^& has just woken up and started wailing again so off I go...

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HerMomminess · 12/12/2009 13:52

Ladies,

You have brought a (wry) smile to my face!

I have manged to snap at DH, tried to write some christmas cards, totally lost my 'ho- ho-effing-ho'...have no want in the world to do anything nice or attempt to face the outside world.

Hang in there mama. At least my DH is here to snap at while yours is working today! Countdown till he comes home...

At the mo DH is falling asleep on the boob while DH is asleep with remote control and telly on rugby. Guess I'll be seated then...

Good luck all&thanks for coming back to the thread.I feel less lonely now.

LeninGrotto · 12/12/2009 14:37

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HerMomminess · 12/12/2009 16:09

Call it the baby brain...I have made this mistake in the past.

DH would be so lucky...need I say more.

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mamaduckbone · 12/12/2009 20:01

That's the most I've chuckled all day HerMomminess...an image there that shouldn't be.

We've decided that ds2 is definitely teething so he's been packed off to bed with calpol, Ashton's powders and fingers crossed I might get more than an hour at a stretch tonight...

Good luck all of you going into the night shift...I'm going to try and dribble in front of the x-factor for a bit so I can actually see dh for an hour, then off to bed for me.

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HerMomminess · 12/12/2009 21:37

All 3 of us passed out this afternoon for a wee snooz.Which is why I am actually still awake and wathcing Strictly&X factor...while writing yet more cards.

Glad we could make each other smile

Bring on the nightshift.

CoonRapids · 13/12/2009 20:56

Hello - we have similar! 17 weeker goes to bed anytime from 8pm to 12am after bf to sleep lying down on our bed (and taking ages to settle in the cot). Then wakes and bf about 3/4 times between then and morning. I feed him lying down and seem to be switching from one side to the other every couple of hours... Sometimes dh takes him downstairs around 5am to try and get him back to sleep and I've lost count of the number of bfs he's had since I went to bed...!!! He's also had croup followed by a cold. Then before that I had blocked ducts and white spot on my nipple. Feel like we're both so run down. I have 2 older children as well. Glad to have read this thread though to see we're all going through the same thing!!

CoonRapids · 13/12/2009 20:58

Teeth and teething too, did I forget to mention that??

HerMomminess · 13/12/2009 21:28

Mmm...I thought of teething about 4 weeks ago.Now just given up on Calpol/Ashton powders etc and praying it is a phase.

Managed to put her down and watch Xfactor results though. How sad is that!

Interesting how many folk seem to be experiencing the same. Also on the 'sleep' thread.

Good luck all.

mamaduckbone · 14/12/2009 14:32

Hi - how is everyone today?

We had a much better night - ds2 slept 7.30 to 1am, fed, woke at 3 and took a while to settle but wouldn't feed, then slept til 6, fed and dozed back off to 7.30. I was awake at 5 though, with a boob the size of a bowling ball leaking milk all over the bed, it's been that long since he did a long stretch at night and he'd only feed from 1 side at 1. Typical!

So, better on that front, but his cough is worse and he's rattling when he breathes so I took him to the doctor and he's on anti-biotics . Poor thing.

Hope you all had some sleep. HerMomminess I managed to watch xfactor results too. Wanted Olly really but can see why Joe won

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loopyloo82 · 14/12/2009 15:08

Good news Mama.
Not such good news on our front. I missed X-Factor as had to go to bed with DD who was ailing with tiredness but would only settle with her mummy next to her. I was probably asleep before her!

Then from midnight until morning she fed almost constantly, sleeping for about 20 mins a time before waking and screaming only to be settled with the breast. AAAhhh! She has then had one feed all day despite me continually trying to get something down her during the day... no, she's too busy smiling at me, wriggling and looking over her shoulder to feed...she'll leave that for the boring nighttime thank you very much!

Just took her to hv who suggests not feeding her at night unless it has been at least 2 hours since her last feed. I can see where she's coming from, but what about feeding on demand? And dd is a vociferous creature at the best of times, can't see her taking this lying down. Well, I'll give it a go.

Off now for some skin to skin in the hope she might take some proportion of her milk during daylight hours. Wish me luck...

Chica31 · 14/12/2009 15:26

My DD was just the same at 4 months. When I started to wean her at 6 months night sleeping really improved. However now she is 7 months... I can crawl Mummy, Bye, I'll eat later. 2.30 in the morning will be a great time, thanks, bye Mummy!

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