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Here we go, breastfeed and help boost the economy

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llareggub · 14/04/2009 22:28

interesting article here

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Firepile · 16/04/2009 09:10

This article is clearly not aimed at individual women - it is designed - as TikTok has said - to make the case for the US healthcare system to do more to support breastfeeding. To say that it "won't imporve bfeeding rates" is to mistake the audience of this type of research.

Women do not make feeding choices in a vacuum, and there is a wealth of evidence that that government policy making has a huge influence on health behaviours.

ilovemydogandMrObama · 16/04/2009 09:16

You must be right Tik....

hercules1 · 16/04/2009 09:17

I can never understand why any woman would want facts hidden from them. WHy would you think economic facts about breastfeeding would only interest nhs bods? Would it be too much for our pretty little heads? Apologise if I've misread your posts - I have a sick dog next to me I'm tending to.

tiktok · 16/04/2009 09:24

I can see that making facts about NHS burdens known to individuals could be seen as saying 'we will not treat smokers or drinkers' - but really there is no suggestion of this here!

I don't, personally, think pushing the idea of NHS costs as a slogan or message to individuals is a good way of encouraging women to breastfeed though - but as a society it should matter and hiding these issues less they make someone feel bad helps no one.

(Are you being sarky, Ilovemydog????)

standanddeliver · 16/04/2009 09:32

"This type of scaremongering & guilt-inducing lecturing will do nothing to increase bf rates"

I don't know.

I'm finding the media fixation on growing levels of obesity and its impact on the NHS is strengthening my resolve to lose weight. I feel panicked sometimes when I think about what's going to happen to our health services. Apparently £1 in every £10 spent by the NHS at the moment is spent on diabetes related illnesses, and that's on a population where most of the elderly grew into adulthood at a time when there was a fraction of the obesity there is now.

I think it's very motivating to feel like you're making a contribution to the health of the nation. Maybe the era of obsessive ego-centrism in relation to our lifestyle choices is coming to an end.....

iwouldgoouttonight · 16/04/2009 09:37

Tiktok, out of interest what other alternatives are available to help babies of mother's who can't breastfeed? I'm not wanting to start an argument, just interested because as soon as we ended up in hospital because DD had lost so much weight BFing we were immediately given formula, and were told if we didn't she could become seriously ill (so kind of being sold formula by a doctor as life saving). If there had have been alternatives I wish I'd have been told about them!

My experience put more strain on the NHS as we had to spend a week in hospital, whereas if more NHS money was spent on BFing support and helping new mothers rather than spending a couple of minutes with them and then leaving them to it, it would save a lot of money in the long run.

Agree that people who were considering FFing probably wouldn't decide to BF instead based on it boosting the economy.

ItsGrimUpNorth · 16/04/2009 09:44

The boosting of the economy is an aside to most parents. The message, "BF because it boosts the economy," is too simplistic and actually meaningless.

But WHY it boosts the economy won't be, especially if all those preventable illnesses are discussed as the reasons. No parent would ignore that.

Nobody I know who uses FF even considers the illnesses a BF baby can be helped to avoid.

However, I do think formula does have a place in our society. If a well informed parent is adamant that she doesn't want to BF, then it's up to her. As long as she knows all the facts.

If she makes her decision a well informed one, then it's her problem if she feels guilty. It is her decision after all.

standanddeliver · 16/04/2009 09:45

iwouldgoouttonight - I think you'll find huge support on this board for better breastfeeding care for new mothers. And it's not just about money. You shouldn't have been put through all that worry.

giantkatestacks · 16/04/2009 09:52

The economic stuff doesnt interest me as much as the breast cancer stuff does - I think if you had been bf for 6 months and were undecided or ambivalent about continuing for a year or more and you had a history of breast cancer in the family that might make you think.

It certainly does me...

giantkatestacks · 16/04/2009 09:53

Although they didnt seem to mention that to get the most breast cancer protection from pregnancy and bfing you had to start having your babies younger...

tiktok · 16/04/2009 09:54

I do think formula has a place in our world. It is convenient, and easily available to those that need it. I would not want to see it disappear as there are circumstances where ease, convenience and availability are important.

What I object to is its romanticisation as a life saver!

Alternatives - not necessarily easily available, as I said, and not suitable in every case - are

  • the mother's own milk given direct (too often mothers are told they cannot bf for spurious reasons)
  • the mother's own milk, expressed
  • donated milk, given direct
  • donated milk, expressed
  • banked milk
  • home made formula
StealthPolarBear · 16/04/2009 10:04

home made formula? Never heard of that one, what does that involve? Or is it a bad idea to say?

WinkyWinkola · 16/04/2009 10:09

"Alternatives - not necessarily easily available, as I said, and not suitable in every case..."

Yes, if if they're not suitable in every case, what does the baby have? Formula. Which saves its life because it needs food. I don't think that's a romantic view - food does save lives.

tiktok · 16/04/2009 10:20

Winky, I can see I am having to spell it out ....there is no case I can imagine where a baby's life would be saved if there was an alternative to formula available. In your case, banked/donated human milk could have been used if available. It wasn't, unfortunately, so formula had to be used. This does not make formula 'life saving' in itself.

Lets imagine I am on the Titanic. There are not enough lifeboats (we all know the story.. ). I am hurled into the icy water as the ship goes down. I manage, Kate Winslet-style, to cling onto a piece of wood, which does in fact save my life. In the absence of the lifeboats which should have saved me in the first place. I don't then proclaim pieces of wood in general as 'life saving'....

SPB: yo can google home made formula if you like. I am not promoting it, or saying its long term use would be better than formula (as I think long term formula would be better, nutritionally, though there is not a huge amount of nutritional difference, and the fact home made would be fresh and not dried might be a good thing).

WinkyWinkola · 16/04/2009 10:24

Why not proclaim pieces of wood as life saving? I would! I"m sure they've saved plenty of people in dire situations. Thank god it was there. It saved you. Life saving items don't have to be given specific, generic forms like boats.

I'm afraid I disagree - if there was no formula and banked milk or other alternatives wasn't available, the baby would die. There is formula so the baby lives. Formula in this case, saved its life. Thank goodness it was there.

standanddeliver · 16/04/2009 11:10

"Lets imagine I am on the Titanic. There are not enough lifeboats (we all know the story.. ). I am hurled into the icy water as the ship goes down. I manage, Kate Winslet-style, to cling onto a piece of wood, which does in fact save my life. In the absence of the lifeboats which should have saved me in the first place. I don't then proclaim pieces of wood in general as 'life saving'...."

Particularly in a situation where the lifeboats are there on the margins, and are simply not being sent out because the powers that be don't think it's worth it when there are bits of wood for people to cling to instead......

Sorry Winky - I'm with Tiktok on this one. In rich countries there is no reason for not having milk banks or proper support for breastfeeding mothers. Instead of celebrating the life saving powers of formula we should be outraged that so many women are having to resort to it when there is so little true biological need.

Would also point out that in all but the most impoverished, desperate societies, babies who cannot be fed on their mothers milk are usually fed by other members of their extended family. In war-torn, famine stricken and politically unstable countries this may not happen because of the breakdown of community and family structures, but otherwise it's worth noting that lack of a mothers milk has not always been, and is not now an inevitable death sentence for babies in places or at times when formula is not a viable option.

tiktok · 16/04/2009 12:22

I am warming to my Titanic/wood analogy

Yes, a piece of wood in a dire and very specific situation may save my life. Hurrah. I do not then advertise the benefits (?) of pieces of wood in general, and think that pieces of wood should be a part of every ocean-going liner's safety systems. No...I want safe, comfortable and reliable ocean-going liners that get me from England to the USA without iceberg mishaps. But knowing that some emergency icebergy-type situations may occur, I want safe, reliable and easy to use lifeboats in sufficient quantity for all.

So....we need breastfeeding to be safe and reliable (not subject to unnecessary barriers)and comfortable (pain-free), which means adequate support (social and otherwise) for it. Knowing that sometimes, serious situations can arise that require intervention to keep the baby safe, our 'lifeboats' should be properly-resourced human milk banks with the necessary access and quantities of milk to make relying on pieces of wood (formula) unnecessary.

StealthPolarBear · 16/04/2009 12:24

after all, clinging on to bits of wood can lead to nasty spliners!

tiktok · 16/04/2009 12:31

Ha

Assuming you mean 'splinters', that is

And not some other consequence I have never heard of!

But it's true - pieces of wood have their own risks, which are avoided if you manage to get into the lifeboat instead.

StarlightMcEggzie · 16/04/2009 12:44

bit's of wood don't have thirst-quenchers, first-aid kits, safety rails, food on board (or a bar for that matter).

ilovemydogandMrObama · 16/04/2009 12:55

Tik, no, I wasn't being sarcastic. But I do think that in some instances, formula can provide a quick fix (not that I really want to be advocating formula)

tiktok · 16/04/2009 15:22

I am lurving the Titanic analogy

ilovemydog: of course formula can be a quick fix - if a baby needs calories/fluid asap or will dehydrate or worse, then formula does the job. But in my ideal world, human milk (the lifeboat) would be available easily and cheaply for exactly this sort of emergency.

StarlightMcEggzie · 16/04/2009 15:27

Tell me the bar works, tell me tell me. It's good for an adults soul!!!!

No bar on lifeboat though, but there is on the mother ship!

tiktok · 16/04/2009 15:31

A well-stocked lifeboat will have a bar and comfy seats, and a radio link to ensure rescue is at hand (like being able to call on the services of a bf supporter/counsellor who can help with relactation), Starlight.

And no one will judge anyone negatively,or worry about being judged, because they used a lifeboat.

StarlightMcEggzie · 16/04/2009 15:59
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